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Ouch! Creationists Take A Beating?

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Tiktaalik:

Scientists announced in the journal Nature last week the discovery of fossils from a curious 375-million-year-old creature displaying an odd combination of both fish and land animals traits.

Dubbed ?Tiktaalik,? the creature was immediately hailed by scientists as being a major find, one as critical for understanding how fish became four-limbed animals as Archaeopteryx was to understanding the transition of dinosaurs to birds.

The very next day, Robert Crowther, director of communications at the Discovery Institute, posted a statement on the institute website in a rushed attempt at damage control. Crowther wrote:

?These fish are not necessarily intermediates?Tiktaalik roseae is one of a set of lobe-finned fishes that include very curious mosaics?They are not intermediates in the sense that have half-fish/half-tetrapod characteristics. Rather, they have a combination of tetrapod-like features and fish-like features. Paleontologists refer to such organisms as mosaics rather than intermediates.?

In his blog Pharyngula, PZ Meyers, a biologist and associate professor at the University of Minnesota, points out why this argument is flawed:

?But that kind of mosaicism is what you?d expect, and what we should see in a transitional form! Every element of the organism shouldn?t be changing in a slow and steady lockstep, but instead should shift haltingly?Sometimes major shifts in the environment might oppose some kind of concordance, and plasticity means a change in one structure might impose related changes in associated structures, but it?s silly to assume everything morphs uniformly from one generation to the next....


 
I laugh when folks say stuff like this. Let me help you, the bible never talks about the beginning of the world. As a matter of fact in many places it mentions a time before Adam. The bible only gives a detailed account of Adam on, but clearly speaks in many passages that a pre-adam era existed.
 
Originally posted by: classy
I laugh when folks say stuff like this. Let me help you, the bible never talks about the beginning of the world. As a matter of fact in many places it mentions a time before Adam. The bible only gives a detailed account of Adam on, but clearly speaks in many passages that a pre-adam era existed.
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Originally posted by: joedrake
Originally posted by: classy
I laugh when folks say stuff like this. Let me help you, the bible never talks about the beginning of the world. As a matter of fact in many places it mentions a time before Adam. The bible only gives a detailed account of Adam on, but clearly speaks in many passages that a pre-adam era existed.
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Originally posted by: classy
I laugh when folks say stuff like this. Let me help you, the bible never talks about the beginning of the world. As a matter of fact in many places it mentions a time before Adam. The bible only gives a detailed account of Adam on, but clearly speaks in many passages that a pre-adam era existed.


Well said.
 
Originally posted by: classy
I laugh when folks say stuff like this. Let me help you, the bible never talks about the beginning of the world. As a matter of fact in many places it mentions a time before Adam. The bible only gives a detailed account of Adam on, but clearly speaks in many passages that a pre-adam era existed.

Gen. 1:26, And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:18, And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. 19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. 20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him. 1 Cor 15:45, And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

EDIT : cpals got to it first.
 
bible doesn't mention school prayer either. actually denounces public prayer. go figure. doesn't stop the christian fundies....

Those who want the state to engage in public worship, or even to have prayer in schools, are defying his injunction: "When you pray, be not like the pretenders, who prefer to pray in the synagogues and in the public square, in the sight of others. In truth I tell you, that is all the profit they will have. But you, when you pray, go into your inner chamber and, locking the door, pray there in hiding to your Father, and your Father who sees you in hiding will reward you" (Matthew 6:5-6). He shocked people by his repeated violation of the external holiness code of his time, emphasizing that his religion was an internal matter of the heart.http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/09/opinion/09wills.html?_r=1&hp
 
The true Creation story:

In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love.

Uranus and Gaia had many children together and eventually they had grandchildren. Some of their children become afraid of the power of their children. Kronus, in an effort to protect himself, swallowed his children when they were still infants. However, his wife Rhea hid their youngest child. She gave him a rock wrapped in swaddling clothes, which he swallowed, thinking it was his son.

Once the child, Zeus, had reached manhood his mother instructed him on how to trick his father to give up his brothers and sisters. Once this was accomplished the children fought a mighty war against their father. After much fighting the younger generation won. With Zeus as their leader, they began to furnish Gaia with life and Uranus with stars.

Soon the Earth lacked only two things: man and animals. Zeus summoned his sons Prometheus (fore-thought) and Epimetheus (after-thought). He told them to go to Earth and create men and animals and give them each a gift.

Prometheus set to work forming men in the image of the gods and Epimetheus worked on the animals. As Epimetheus worked he gave each animal he created one of the gifts. After Epimetheus had completed his work Prometheus finally finished making men. However when he went to see what gift to give man Epimetheus shamefacedly informed him that he had foolishly used all the gifts.
 
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
The true Creation story:

In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love.

Uranus and Gaia had many children together and eventually they had grandchildren. Some of their children become afraid of the power of their children. Kronus, in an effort to protect himself, swallowed his children when they were still infants. However, his wife Rhea hid their youngest child. She gave him a rock wrapped in swaddling clothes, which he swallowed, thinking it was his son.




Once the child, Zeus, had reached manhood his mother instructed him on how to trick his father to give up his brothers and sisters. Once this was accomplished the children fought a mighty war against their father. After much fighting the younger generation won. With Zeus as their leader, they began to furnish Gaia with life and Uranus with stars.

Soon the Earth lacked only two things: man and animals. Zeus summoned his sons Prometheus (fore-thought) and Epimetheus (after-thought). He told them to go to Earth and create men and animals and give them each a gift.

Prometheus set to work forming men in the image of the gods and Epimetheus worked on the animals. As Epimetheus worked he gave each animal he created one of the gifts. After Epimetheus had completed his work Prometheus finally finished making men. However when he went to see what gift to give man Epimetheus shamefacedly informed him that he had foolishly used all the gifts.

..eggs? that means the chicken came first. :Q

 
Originally posted by: IGBT
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
The true Creation story:

In the beginning there was an empty darkness. The only thing in this void was Nyx, a bird with black wings. With the wind she laid a golden egg and for ages she sat upon this egg. Finally life began to stir in the egg and out of it rose Eros, the god of love. One half of the shell rose into the air and became the sky and the other became the Earth. Eros named the sky Uranus and the Earth he named Gaia. Then Eros made them fall in love.

Uranus and Gaia had many children together and eventually they had grandchildren. Some of their children become afraid of the power of their children. Kronus, in an effort to protect himself, swallowed his children when they were still infants. However, his wife Rhea hid their youngest child. She gave him a rock wrapped in swaddling clothes, which he swallowed, thinking it was his son.




Once the child, Zeus, had reached manhood his mother instructed him on how to trick his father to give up his brothers and sisters. Once this was accomplished the children fought a mighty war against their father. After much fighting the younger generation won. With Zeus as their leader, they began to furnish Gaia with life and Uranus with stars.

Soon the Earth lacked only two things: man and animals. Zeus summoned his sons Prometheus (fore-thought) and Epimetheus (after-thought). He told them to go to Earth and create men and animals and give them each a gift.

Prometheus set to work forming men in the image of the gods and Epimetheus worked on the animals. As Epimetheus worked he gave each animal he created one of the gifts. After Epimetheus had completed his work Prometheus finally finished making men. However when he went to see what gift to give man Epimetheus shamefacedly informed him that he had foolishly used all the gifts.

..eggs? that means the chicken came first. :Q

No, Nyx laid the egg... the bird came first.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: joedrake
Originally posted by: classy
I laugh when folks say stuff like this. Let me help you, the bible never talks about the beginning of the world. As a matter of fact in many places it mentions a time before Adam. The bible only gives a detailed account of Adam on, but clearly speaks in many passages that a pre-adam era existed.
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Everyone is giving thumbs up...but I don't remember this. Anyone have a passage that mentions the "pre-Adam" era?

EDIT: Never mind- didn't read far enough 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Everyone is giving thumbs up...but I don't remember this. Anyone have a passage that mentions the "pre-Adam" era?

EDIT: Never mind- didn't read far enough 🙂

They're giving thumbs up because they desperately want to believe it, even if it's all bullsh|te. They're a lost cause.
 
i dont get why ppl who DONT believe something feel the need to go out of their way to poke at ppl who do? Especially at holiday time. Why not just leave them alone and let them enjoy themselves?

Why be so bothered about it that they need stir the pot?
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i dont get why ppl who DONT believe something feel the need to go out of their way to poke at ppl who do? Especially at holiday time. Why not just leave them alone and let them enjoy themselves?

Why be so bothered about it that they need stir the pot?

Because the original intention of this thread was to "stir the pot", someone decided it would be fun to add a counter-clockwise stir, which seems to have angered some of us, we then did away with the offender to continue our clockwise stirring.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i dont get why ppl who DONT believe something feel the need to go out of their way to poke at ppl who do? Especially at holiday time. Why not just leave them alone and let them enjoy themselves?

Why be so bothered about it that they need stir the pot?

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It's not like we're all going to read a post and say to ourselves...

"MY WORD! WHAT THE HELL HAVE I BEEN DOING???? TIME TO GO BREAK SOME 'COMMANDMENTS'!"

Even if a superior being was proven false, I would still go to church because it helps me get in touch with my morales and ethics. You don't need to be a christian to understand and agree with the values that it teaches.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i dont get why ppl who DONT believe something feel the need to go out of their way to poke at ppl who do? Especially at holiday time. Why not just leave them alone and let them enjoy themselves?

Why be so bothered about it that they need stir the pot?

Well, you dont see scientists trying to get HS religion class to teach evolution, do you?
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i dont get why ppl who DONT believe something feel the need to go out of their way to poke at ppl who do? Especially at holiday time. Why not just leave them alone and let them enjoy themselves?

Why be so bothered about it that they need stir the pot?

Don't ask me. I just really enjoy ragging on Christians when they open their big mouths to trumpet their beliefs. If nobody said anything supporting Christian beliefs I probably wouldn't have said anything at all.
 
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i dont get why ppl who DONT believe something feel the need to go out of their way to poke at ppl who do? Especially at holiday time. Why not just leave them alone and let them enjoy themselves?

Why be so bothered about it that they need stir the pot?

Well, you dont see scientists trying to get HS religion class to teach evolution, do you?

That is not what I mean. The example you use directly affects ppl who dont believe, therefore their voicing is undersandable.

What i am talking about are those that just feel the need to use any excuse to ridicule, call out and take a poke at religion and those who believe in it.

i cannot see the point of praying to the east numerous times a day, or drawing pentagrams or praying on beads, or worshiping a little fat statue. But I don't feel the overwhelming need to take a pot shot at those who do. Especially not at their time of holy worship.

I prefer to just leave them alone, let them get on with what they wanna do. I don't partake in their rituals or celebrations... but nor do i need to belittle them.

i just dont understand ppl who feel the need to do so at every turn.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
i dont get why ppl who DONT believe something feel the need to go out of their way to poke at ppl who do? Especially at holiday time. Why not just leave them alone and let them enjoy themselves?

Why be so bothered about it that they need stir the pot?

Well, you dont see scientists trying to get HS religion class to teach evolution, do you?

That is not what I mean. The example you use directly affects ppl who dont believe, therefore their voicing is undersandable.

What i am talking about are those that just feel the need to use any excuse to ridicule, call out and take a poke at religion and those who believe in it.

i cannot see the point of praying to the east numerous times a day, or drawing pentagrams or praying on beads, or worshiping a little fat statue. But I don't feel the overwhelming need to take a pot shot at those who do. Especially not at their time of holy worship.

I prefer to just leave them alone, let them get on with what they wanna do. I don't partake in their rituals or celebrations... but nor do i need to belittle them.

i just dont understand ppl who feel the need to do so at every turn.

Who's going out of their way? They discover another "transitionary" fossil (as if the fossil record as it as wasnt enough already), and obviously creationists are going to get their panties in a bunch about it.

It was immediately hailed as a major find (it is), a cause for more study that can further elaborate our understand of evolution, the creationists knee-jerk responded on their own.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
That is not what I mean. The example you use directly affects ppl who dont believe, therefore their voicing is undersandable.

His point actually hits the nail on the head. I make fun of Christians not because they're beliefs are stupid (I can keep that to myselves), but because in this country right now Christians are one of the most vocal and obnoxious advocacy groups. Three decades ago it was feminists and militant blacks, and conservatives ragged on them (rightfully so). Now Christians are doing the same thing, but conservative's mouths are shut because Christians now form a large part of their constituancy. Well I'm not a conservative, and fundamentalist Christians are getting on my nerves, so I'm gonna be vocal about it. I don't give a damn about Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, Hinduism, etc. because they aren't in my face with their beliefs. As soon as the evangelism from Christians ends so will the hostility towards their beliefs.
 
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