OT:Now is the time Computer buffs to show true support for AMD

[dmcowen674]

Now is the time Computer buffs to show true support for AMD

This is the year that will be make or break for the Company. Intel is going all out for blood since they realize now that they can no longer gouge the consumer as they have done all along because AMD has not only knocked on their door but can actually come inside their own home especially in the Server market where Intel has had no visitors.

Intel is about to slash their prices by nearly 60%, what does that tell you about how artificially high they have been charging everyone?

Unfortunately AMD may feel compelled to slash back and cut into the very profits they need to sustain the battle against the giant. Hopefully they may be able to hold the line on prices. The hard part is that will mean that their CPU would be priced nearly the same as a performance equivalent Intel CPU or possibly (gasp) even higher priced than the Intel product. This isn?t because AMD will be gouging it?s loyal users, it?s because Intel will be using it?s huge coffers it has stashed over the years of it?s monopolistic like business practice to try and squash it?s competition now.

What can you the consumer do? Resist going for the cheaper Intel product and sticking with AMD CPU?s. Show the business world loyalty and honesty still matters.

Dave McOwen

 

[Migroo]

Is this true?! Wow.. I had no idea.


To be it doesnt make sence to me to buy a product that is less suitable than another just in the name of loyalty. I'll buy the product that best suits me (which has been Intel (Pentium), AMD (K6-2), Intel (PIII) and AMD (Athlon XP) so far in my string of CPUs)

 

[RaySun2Be]

Most of us tend to purchase what we need/what we can afford.

However, in this case, take a look at the bigger picture. If Intel is successful in closing out AMD, then Intel will have eliminated their biggest threat and competitor.

Once that happens, you can bet that Intel will raise prices as high as the market will bear, as they will have no direct competitor to challenge them. Then we all lose out.

So supporting AMD is supporting lower costs for all in the long term. Supporting Intel may lead to the demise of AMD, which in turn will setup a monopolistic environment in which we are at the mercy of whatever Intel decides to charge.

 

[Confused]

My money will go to whatever is the best performing for the money i can afford.

Being a poor student isn't good when wanting latest and greatest things!

However, if AMD have some good products, then i'll get them. The only reason i'm with AMD at the moment is because they were the best performing bits for the money i had at the time!

But if by spending a few more £ to save money in the future, then that might be doable as well

 

[IJump]

I have 5 computers. 4 of them are AMD. One is set up with used dually celerons on a used bp6.

I prefer AMD and will buy them even if they are priced slightly higher for some time to come, just because Intel has had artificially high prices for such a long time. I hate companies that do things like that.

 

[Freewolf]

I have 4 amd cpus now and plan on buying another one very soon ( more,more,more) Without Amd most of us would be lucky to afford 1 cpu much less 4. We should all thank god for Amd and keep buying their cpus as long as the are reasonablely priced

 

[networkman]

Of the 11 computers I have running in my home fleet, only 1 is Intel-based, and that's the dual p2-400 Xeon(with 2meg cache!)

AMD XP/MP chips rock!

 

[cory]

last year amd's average selling price actually went up from $60 to $90.
and thats with all the price cutting intel did last year. intels went below $200 for the
first time. the laptop area is where the prices are really going to come down.
intel is having big problems with people putting desktop chips in laptops.
and the laptop cpus usally sell in the $500+ range for the good ones.
while and thats hard to sell to people when the only difference on the
computer labels is 4 vs 4m. most people just see speed and
dont know that the desktop cpu is going to eat batteries a lot faster
and get hotter.

i love amd (i actually own a few thousand shares)
and now that they have a decent server setup i will no longer use
intel for dual cpu servers. cant wait for the hammer's.
in fact i am setting up athlon mp servers right now that i plan to replace in a year
with the hammers. moving all the storage to raid cabinets so the upgrade
will be easy.
i still hope that amd can push its way into the corp. markets.
i hate buying celeron/p4 machines for desktops and i dont like the
fact that most of the p4's that are sold are sdram. and will not be able to
be ugraded because of all the messing around with sockets,ram, and front
side busses intel has been doing.
amd is doing great in the home markets and overseas.
now that they dont rely on flash memory as much it will be better for amd.
that is what really hit them hard last year. the dollars they got for cpus
were at all time highs not to mention the fact that avg selling prices went up.

even if intel cuts prices its going to be hard to put amd down.
it just costs to much for intel to make cpus with all the overhead the have.
they are not set up for the commodity business.

some of the fastest growing markets are asia. and they wont spend the
extra money for intel just because its intel. they are much more cost aware
than the us. i think china grew by 25% last year. and amd is big in asia and europe.
amd still has a bunch of things that they will be rolling out over the next 2 years.
i am more concerned with what happens in 2004 and on.

 

[Poof]

If in fact Intel ever does get around to cutting prices.

, then a big beneficiary of this will be Dell (since they use Intel exclusively). However, knowing how price vs supply/demand works, I doubt that Dell will lower its overall machine prices, as they can rely on data regarding the price a consumer is used to/willing to pay for a machine. You drop the price too low and people will think that there's a "catch" or the machine is populated with el cheapo parts. However, I think Intel is reacting to a reduced demand right now and have been making noises about price drops during the past year. Meanwhile I won't hold my breath on how long it will take them to drop the high MHz Xeon III parts.

:disgust:

Note too that the average consumer doesn't really have a clue or can grasp the meaning behind what processor is inside their machines (and the difference between AMD and Intel). They may recall the cute P4 commercials (where are the AMD commercials one wonders? ), but this doesn't necessarily drive their purchasing decisions.

Of the obscene number of machines that I have, 7 are Intel and 7 are AMD (the rest are alpha, sparc, 68xxx, Cyrix). Overall, I've felt that AMD has done an admirable job in the price/performance arena and right now, the XP kicks the P4 Northy's behind in SETI if run at the same GHz, so you know what I like at the moment...heh heh.

 

[Corsairpro]

Price wars are good for consumers, and companies alike if managed correctly. AMD wll not go under if Intel cuts prices.... they still make profit on the flash memory devices they produce. Reviewers have also overwhelmingly favored the clawhammer for the upcoming movement towards the 64bit processors.

Honestly, I feel that once AMD gets their .13micron XP parts on the market, the p4 line will be limited to Dell, gateway, whoever else builds consumer line pcs, and end users like ourselves will only buy p4 low frequency parts, like the 1.6a which has outstanding overclockability. I feel that their days of selling 500$ processors is over.

 

[Evadman]

Frankly, I own stock in both AMD and Intel ( more in AMD )

I will buy the best CPU for the job. AS of right now, AMD seems to be ahead of intel in most respects such as the price / performance point. But AMD requires a more agressive cooling setup, and does nto have an implemented failsafe yet, so if a AMD CPU gets too hot it kills itself. Intel's will slow down, and hopefully save itself, and prevent downtime ( even if it runs like a 486 ) I use Intel's very sparingly, only when necessary. The fact is, Intel has a better CPU testing method, and are made to work in very harsh conditions. ( such as case tems, not cpu, case temps of 70c+ ) An AMD cpu would be slag.

Both CPUs have their points and counter-points. That being said, 100% of the computers in this house are AMD. I don't even have a 200 or a 486. 100% AMD.

 

[Sukhoi]

Slightly OT here, but any idea what temperature the Thoroughbreds are supposed to run at? What Palomino would have roughly the same temperature as a Thoroughbred 2000+?

 

[MoFunk]

As long as AMD is around, I will ONLY buy from them! Regardless of the price. In fact I may run out and get an AMD tattoo somewhere!

 

[Uuplaku]

Regardless of the price cutting Intel will be doing, as soon as they come out, 2 new T-breds are going in this dual rig here.

 

[panhead49]

MoFunk........you the man!!!!

/me looks in the mirror.........how would that tattoo look here on this arm??

 

[Smoke]

In the vein of "anti-monopoly", when will Linux (or whatever) get a fairly competitive OS so I can stop using MS? One day Win2000 will need to be replaced and I want to express my own personal displeasure with MS's monopoly by switching to a competing OS but I've got to have my "stuff" work. :Q

Concerning this thing about supporting AMD even if they start getting beat by Intel on price/performance. I've heard this argument many years ago. It was then expressed by local merchants. Well, there are almost no "local" merchants left. I'm a staunch "capitalist" but I have to admit that pure market forces don't always work in a reasonable length of time. After all, we are only here for a finite period.

/me goes back to watching the stock market

 

[Postman]

All I could find to back this thing up was a note that Intel allows use of desktop CPU's on notebooks from now on. So on mobile market, the extreme of 60% cut might be expected, but not on normal desktop/server market.

If I have missed something, dmcowen please provide additional linkage?

 

[minendo]

Here is my support right now:

XP1800+
2 x XP1600+
Duron 750
TBird 1.0

I hope to increase my support, but have no funds at the moment.

 

[dmcowen674]

Linky

http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s=701&a=24794,00.aspIntel to Cut Chip Pricing by 57%

 

[Migroo]

Thanks for the link Dave. Good discussion guys - its a good read.

I have to say that the XP line is excellent. Its a nice feeling to 'put your foot down' as it were

The Thoroughbred line is also an excellent move by AMD. If I understand correctly the core of the Thoroughbred is only a smaller Palomino core - so development costs are going to be low (I presume)

Therefore, AMD have a nice new product for us all to buy with little expence to themselves (compared to the production of a new product line). People might say that AMD are just releasing a 'fix' to the Palomino line - as those CPUs tend to run very warm indeed, and the Thoroughbred core will fix that. However, they dont really need that fix so to speak, they are just giving us enthusiasts the perfect excuse to go out and buy one! Very good move by AMD I think.

I for one am very excited about the Thoroughbred, and no, I dont 'need' an upgrade so to speak as the only thing that makes 100% (or anywhere near) use of my XP 1700+ is SETI, but the sheer hype is unbearable (and a couple of extra WUs a week wouldnt go amiss either).

The Thoroughbred line will be even more accessible if they work on current motherboards like the KT266a's etc. (Which brings up yet another distinction between AMD and Intel...)

/end speech

 

[CraigRT]

Funny you should mention Intels price changes..
I got an email today from my local dealer, saying that the AMD XP's had gone down DRASTICALLY in price.. and the XP1900+ specifically went from $345 Cdn to $265!! ...

Wow, what a drop!!!

 

[Bigwoofer]

2.2GHz Pentium from $562

- or -

3 XP 1800+'s from your neighborhood dealer for $450

 

[BGod]

Funny part was, about two years ago, you couldn't even get me to think about buying an AMD. Now, I wouldn't consider buying anything else. If I could find a home for the seven Intel systems in my basement I'd dump them in a heartbeat for AMD systems.

AMD has come a long way and I don't intend on letting the evil empire shut them down. Intel is no better than Micro$haft when it comes to competing technologies. If they can't buy them out, they flood the market or squeeze them out. Is this any way to promote better products for consumers around the world?

I think not!

 

[mechBgon]

Migroo, I agree with you... this thread would probably degenerate rapidly in most other Forums.

I actually think AMD would be better off playing the underdog role by using their actual MHz ratings and producing some marketing materials showing how their CPUs compare to Intel's CPUs in application performance. It would serve to underline the fact that not all MHz are created equal these days, even without factoring in the price.

I'm not upset if some Team members prefer Intel, we want 'em all but I think we'd all agree that CPUs in general are much more affordable because AMD has given Intel such a run for their money (literally).

What I'm noticing is that when I look at the Office Depot, Staples, CompUSA, Circuit City and Best Buy advertisements in the Sunday paper, there is very little AMD presence there, while "Pentium 4" is everywhere. AMD needs to do something about this imbalance so they gain steam in the retail market, since our enthusiast market is comparitively quite small.

 

[Lithium381]

currently my loyalty is pledged to AMD...they have made me happy for the past 5 years....though i've gone with them because they were in fact cheaper.....we'll see how it goes, thanks for the news dave