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OSX for PC
- Thread starter TheGeek
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thirdlegstump
Banned
NO because that would render Apple's hardware completely useless.
daniel1113
Diamond Member
I would like to see them try to port OSX over to the PC, and then watch them fail a few years after beginning the project once Apple realizes how difficult it is to program an OS for an unlimited number of hardware configurations 😉
thirdlegstump
Banned
Well I'm sure a bunch of *nix weenies would start to port drivers for it so it shouldn't be THAT bad....but I still think Apple would lose big time in hardware sales if they make that move. However, I don't even like the OS much from the get go. I find it pretty counter intuitive compared to OS 9 and Win XP.
Kasper4christ
Senior member
would be interesting..
One of the main reasons OS X is easy to use is because of Apple's strict control over hardware. That is the main reason if it's "just works" setup.
Plus it wouldn't make it so that it would support your apps or games either.
The only advantage of OS X on x86 vs OS X on Apple's PPC machine is slightly cheaper hardware. It would be difficult to install and setup and wouldn't have very many programs aviable for it, and Apple wouldn't make nearly as much money.
Use ubuntu instead.
Plus it wouldn't make it so that it would support your apps or games either.
The only advantage of OS X on x86 vs OS X on Apple's PPC machine is slightly cheaper hardware. It would be difficult to install and setup and wouldn't have very many programs aviable for it, and Apple wouldn't make nearly as much money.
Use ubuntu instead.
funggorgor
Senior member
look foward to see pc get a more artistic OS!
It would be hard to get OS X stable on x86 architecture, due to the multiple hardware configs, as has been said a few times already. I don't think there's a point to having an x86 version anyway, because Apple is a hardware company, not a software company.
deathkoba: OS 9 is more intuitive than OS X? I beg to differ. I hated all pre-OS X systems, because they were a huge pain to use, and there was no low level control without going straight into the memory debugger. OS X is much better.
deathkoba: OS 9 is more intuitive than OS X? I beg to differ. I hated all pre-OS X systems, because they were a huge pain to use, and there was no low level control without going straight into the memory debugger. OS X is much better.
thirdlegstump
Banned
I just think the dock is a big POS that gets in my way all the time. Also I think file management got even worse when they took out command+N to create new folders. OS9 was indeed crash happy and couldn't multitask worth sh*t but some things about it makes it a more efficient system in terms of workflow IMHO.
PC hardware isn't just 'slightly' cheaper either.
PC hardware isn't just 'slightly' cheaper either.
OS 9 was crap. The OS X dock sucking doesn't take away from that.
It depends on your perspective, to you and me it's a lot cheaper. But to many people the quality of OS X and the reliable hardware design and packaging is worth having to pay 800 dollars for. That and most people couldn't give a crap what the GHZ means.
Also the 12inch Ibook is a good buy compared to similarly priced "small and light" PC models.
thirdlegstump
Banned
Yea OS 9 was crap, everyone knows that although if we said this in the early days of OS X, we'd be bashed big time by them Mad Mac'ers : )
I personally think the way the dock was integrated is the most annoying thing ever. I constantly accidentally open it. Call it user error or whatever but it is just annoying as hell. If the underlying engine behind OS 9 was OS X, file management and overally snappiness was like Windows XP, I'd be a happy man. Rhapsody was almost that.
I personally think the way the dock was integrated is the most annoying thing ever. I constantly accidentally open it. Call it user error or whatever but it is just annoying as hell. If the underlying engine behind OS 9 was OS X, file management and overally snappiness was like Windows XP, I'd be a happy man. Rhapsody was almost that.
Well, I was never a Apple/Mac fanboy. I just know nice stuff when I see it. 😉 and OS X is a definate "ok".
Well I am sure that you know what NextStep is. Well Nextstep was bought by Apple, but before they did that they released stuff like the OpenStep API specifications. Well Apple turned OpenStep into the basis for Rhapsody.
Well that didn't work out until Apple bite the bullet and incorporated a butt-load of Free Software into it's system. Hell they use code made by RMS himself in OS X. (gcc compiler for instance).
Well Rhapsody morphed into "Cocoa". So Cocoa is fundamentally a OpenStep programming implimentation with extra OS X Aqua-propriatory bits and peices slapped on it.
So if you realy want Rhapsody, and modern version that is, you can have it. Thru the GNUStep project, which is a open source implimentation of Openstep. Actually lots of Cocoa code would work fine in a GNUStep enviroment with a little bit of modification.
However GNUStep isn't a desktop enviroment, it's just a implimentation of OpenStep for Linux (and others). So they have several enviroments and one is afterstep
Plus it's very modifiable so that you can modify it to your liking.
It'll work in Linux and other free software unix-like OSes, it will run in OS X with X windows + friends, and it will even run in Windows under a cygwin-based (free software, too) X windows enviroment.
It's sad you think that way. OS X is extremely efficient. Yeah, sometimes I click on the wrong icon in the dock and it is annoying waiting for the program to open so I can close it (although I only have to wait with carbon apps. Cocoa apps open pretty well instantly). But the dock is also good. I have similar problems with the quick launch bar in windows, and even sometimes the start menu.
And your complaint about the new folder shortcut key is stupid, because all you have to do is add the shift key to the combination and voila, you get your new folder.
There's heaps more shortcut keys in OS X and I hardly have to take my hands away from the keyboard.
"The overall snappiness of XP" lol. If it wasn't for some companies still writing apps in carbon, OS X would be more snappy than XP. Oh, you can hide the dock and make it really small so that it hardly gets in the way. Then you don't need to use it!
BTW, there is an x86 build of OS X (including Quartz), but it only works on a particular x86 Apple chipset and is internal to Apple. It's a fall back measure in case the PowerPC flops.
you know, i was just thinking about this a few hours ago. if sun can make solaris/x86 without affecting their hardware sales, apple could do the same with osx. all they have to do is make it really hard to install, have limited hardware support, and don't sign on any third party developers. and there you go: osx on x86 without cannabilising hardware sales.
thirdlegstump
Banned
Dude, Apple's OWN interface isn't even snappy. Hiding the dock will only make it even less accessible. Icons feel like there are transparent parts that don't activate upon clicking which I find immensely annoying. It's also 'always on top' which makes icons accidentally easy to click on when dragging windows or it's edges/corners or even when clicking ok or cancel buttons that aren't in the middle of the screen. It's such a minor thing but it's something that bugs the crap out of me each time I use it. Where's the shortcut for MOVING A FILE!? It ALWAYS leaves a copy regardless when going from one drive to another. I like the fact that you can shift drag, copy paste files in WinXP which you cannot do in any flavor of MacOS unless you use maybe a 3rd party utility that may otherwise compromise stability of the system. Anyway, you'll never understand.
OK, lets make this an argument then. What are you talking about "you'll never understand"? I actually do find that one aspect of OS X a little annoying (not having a cmd+x for cut in Finder, like in Explorer), but I get around it, or use the Terminal (which I'm very efficient with too). The dock actually isn't only is OS X. It was a feature taken from NextStep and is in all copies of that interface (including GNUStep, etc). If you don't want to use OS X, THEN DON'T! No one is telling you that you need to use it.
Some of the things that bug you aren't important to most users. You're just really picky. I've used Windows for years (10 in fact) and just started with Macs (mid '04), and have very few complaints about them, but have heaps about Windows and PCs in general. The few complaints about OS X and macs are outweighed by the efficiency and benefits I gain from using it instead of Windows. That's my personal opinion, and I know many people who have switched from PCs to Macs who say the same thing.
As for the Apple's interface not being snappy, you can turn those animations of very easily using the Dock Preference Panel. The transparent issue is there, but click on coloured parts and it's fine. I hardly come across that issue (although it would be nice if it was fixed). I use the Cisco VPN software, and it's icon has a lot of transparent space. That's the only time I have problems with that issue.
So deathkoba, for your own good, and the good of other mac and PC users, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM MACS!!!!
Some of the things that bug you aren't important to most users. You're just really picky. I've used Windows for years (10 in fact) and just started with Macs (mid '04), and have very few complaints about them, but have heaps about Windows and PCs in general. The few complaints about OS X and macs are outweighed by the efficiency and benefits I gain from using it instead of Windows. That's my personal opinion, and I know many people who have switched from PCs to Macs who say the same thing.
As for the Apple's interface not being snappy, you can turn those animations of very easily using the Dock Preference Panel. The transparent issue is there, but click on coloured parts and it's fine. I hardly come across that issue (although it would be nice if it was fixed). I use the Cisco VPN software, and it's icon has a lot of transparent space. That's the only time I have problems with that issue.
So deathkoba, for your own good, and the good of other mac and PC users, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM MACS!!!!
OS X does not have a "Cut" operation for the filesystem for UI reasons. "Cut" is a destructive operation...imagine a newbie saving his document and accidentally choosing "cut"...he'd freak out. "MY FILE JUST DISAPPEARED!!!"
Yes, it does happen. Never underestimate the depths of human stupidity, especially when said human has a mouse in his/her hand.
If given a choice between doing the "powerful" thing and the "easy" thing, Apple will usually do the "easy" thing.
Yes, it does happen. Never underestimate the depths of human stupidity, especially when said human has a mouse in his/her hand.
If given a choice between doing the "powerful" thing and the "easy" thing, Apple will usually do the "easy" thing.
thirdlegstump
Banned
moot point innit? when you cut but not paste again after that in explorer, it just cancels the operation and the file is intact.
thirdlegstump
Banned
Yea that's what I did. I ditched my last dualie a few months ago (G4 1.25GHz, 2GB mem, 2x200GB seagates, Matrox RT Extreme blah blah blah) and went with a dual Xeon SCSI box with AVID, Premiere and AE. I've been a Mac user since the MacOS late 6.x/7.x days and a PC user since the late DOS/Win3.x days so my mileage ain't too bad on both platforms. I might try again when G5's become a bit more mature.
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