Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Hmm, silly, but I fail to see what this has to do with any of the 'groups' mentioned in the thread title.
because they are the ones that go around preaching that kind of bullshit to ban something like FAKE rifles held by obviously military individuals. Soft and overly political correct... they are the types making this country more pussified each passing year.
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War-mongering militant word for peaceful: pussified. If they're 'just fake', why do you care so much? Don't get to feel quite the fix for your insecurities as a man if you can't hold one?
What we need are men with brains for a change who refuse to enlist for unjustified wars, and make their own decisions, with some capacity to do so, about when violence is needed.
Um.... okay. So, choose not to enlist. That's your call.
Yes it is, and sncouraging others not to enlist is my call, too. And it's my Congressman's call - a veteran himself who says it's wrong to enlist today under the current regime.
I am choosing to join the Army not because of any beliefs in the current wars (although I actually want to go to Afghanistan, which if you argue is unjustified... something is wrong with you), but because I want to possibly serve a career in the Army and be there for the country when I and my future men under my command are needed most.
It's not a violence-free job. By joining, you are saying that you are happy to kill people because someone else tells you to. It's like being a mercenary the way you describe it.
Other than Afghanistan, that is. I agree with you that action was justified for Afghanistan, but they have more than enough forces to handle Afghanistan, if they stop sending them where they don't belong - and that more than enough isn't just a phrase about waste, it's a phrase about your being part of the cause of unjustified violence by enabling those additional wars. You are just as guilty of murder in my view if you are part of unjustified violence in an unnnecessary war, as if you shoot your neighbor for no good reason.
One just has a far different 'culture', different propaganda message, in our society.
If we were in a war equatable to WWII, I would have skipped school and ROTC and went straight for that war. I still kind of wish I had done that, but with no guarantee of deployment to Afghanistan, and not a large of a war, I feel I still need to earn my education as well, in case a military career ends up not working out or being what I want to do for life.
So, what would you do if you enlist, sign a paper promising to kill any person you are told to kill, and they send you to an unjustified war outside Afghanistan? Go AWOL? I doubt it.
That takes balls, and few have enough to do it (I don't know you, so I'll only speak in probabilities).
You are completely wrong in your first statement anyhow. I use pussified to describe how politically correct and soft the nation is... watch out, we can't say or do the wrong thing, you might offend someone! That's the kind of bullshit I hate and don't care for. It has nothing to do with aggression, and you attempting to link that is idiotic and insane.
Expand your knowledge a little bit why don't you?
I stand by my point that you come across to me like one who has an ideology warped toward militarism, and that 'pussified' is the kind of code word that's part of that culture.
What do you mean our nation is 'soft'? Where is your concern for the enormous amount of unjustified war and violence we've caused? Show me that, and I'll retract the comment.
You think our nation needs to be 'harder', that we should be out killing and invading *more* than we are already? 2 million killed in Vietnam, elected leaders replaced by tyrants, training and sponsoring of death squads in many nations, among many other operations, not enough?
What we need in this country are more educated individuals who can think for themselves, and understand things beyond the visible layer.
In contrast to you.
Merely passively observing everything isn't going to do a damned thing. Your views are a little eye-opening, that's for sure. Seems like I pinned you for sure with my title.
No, you pinned yourself - you lack the comprehension to pin others, which you display with the 'labelling' approach that's mandatory for the ignorant in lieu of informed commentary.
Go join a demonstration about the war and for peace. I don't give a shit.
That summarizes the problem with you in five words. I want people who choose to kill others to give a shit, not to join the club where they're manipulated into 'unit loyalty' blinding them to any concern about the right and wrong of the killing they're ordered to do often for completely mercenary reasons, accepting blindly the flimsiest of pretenses that it's for 'morality' or 'freedom' or 'patriotism' and other such sales pitches for the grunts.
If that gets you off in life, so be it. I'm training to be an officer so I can uphold morality and be there to make sure you always have that right to demonstrate.
No, you're not. You are fed, and you swallow hook, line and sinker, lines like 'morality' so that you fail to ask the right questions about the violence you may have to commit.
How much effort do you make to get informed? On the issues of war, such as Chris Hedges' "War is a Force That Gives Us Meaning", have you read that? On the justifications for war, reading all the sides on the reasons for wars like Iraq (and Iran, potentially), and the basic agenda of the Republican party in the modern era when they call for war? Oh ya, you proudly 'don't give a shit'.
As for your protecting my right to protest, don't bother. I'll protect it IF it needs protecting. In the meantime, you are more likely to CREATE THREATS with unjust wars than to help.
I'd feel far better not to having you out promising to let the corrupt regime in power tell you to spend my tax dollars killing sometimes innocent people.
Protecting my right to protest it just one more on the list of proaganda you eat up to not ask the right questions about the morality of your missions.
*No one is threatening my right to protest*. The last time there was even any hint of such a threat was WWII, and even those enemies didn't get close to threatening protests.
And about the fake rifles and manliness? Um... I don't need anything to justify my manliness. To think I do is stereotypical bullshit. Grow up. It's necessary to train these individuals in ROTC with rubber rifles, so they understand how to operate efficiently with a rifle in hand. Moving through the forest, pretending to engage enemy, with merely your finger pointed at them, accomplishes NOTHING in training. Maintaining muzzle awareness and proper individual movement techniques with a rifle in hand is necessary for the individuals who join AROTC and don't have any experience with the things. We DO fire real rifles, and training with the 'fakes' is necessary so an accident doesn't happen... now or later in their career when they are moving with real rifles... because digging it into the dirt is going to screw you over and possibly get you killed.
There's far more to using rubber rifles than you apparently ever imagined. A lot of ROTC cadets are not prior service and don't really know what they are getting into. I was not prior service either, but I had dedicated myself before ever joining ROTC and hope to go combat arms... at heart I'm a grunt, but one that has a far larger intellectual and cynical view of the world than you seem to imagine.
I'll explain the comment. In part, it was a counter to *your* provocative subject thread and antagonism.
The point was - and it did so - to show you clearly how you sound. The sad thing is that you didn't get the point even when it was made that clearly.
When you do it, you childishly, churlishly snicker about how you got people to react to your hyperbole, but when I do the same back, you whine that it's 'stereotypical, stop it'. OK.
But you also show a side now that justifies the comment, with your desire to try to win a debate on the morality of the military violence with slinging labels. That makes you weak.
Peace is not an option as long as humans hold power.
What another incredible bullshit, propaganda, violence-enabling line. Well, heck, then I guess every damn army and war and act of violence is ok, with your little phrase!
We are a tribal creature by blood, just are now organized in far larger tribes than our first human ancestors.
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You need an education on the issues and morality of war so badly you ache for it and don't know it. You have bitten off this tiny bit of militarist propaganda, and it serves you poorly.
You owe it to yourself, and to your nation, but more importantly to the innocents you put in danger, to get a little knowledge and act more responsibly.
Your analogy that we're 'organized in far larger tribes' is apt, but that's not the end of the story - "therefore, any barbarism in the name of our tribe is ok". That's the reason why we need to NOT simply act like a primitve tribe, why we need to create social structures and structures for power which reduce unnecessary war, which don't allow the next Vietnam to happen. Your selfishly choosing a possible career in the military with a 'you don't give a shit' level of concern about the morality of wars you might be in is shameful.
You're part of the problem in the world, as it stand from your posts.
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