Osama Bin Laden is Dead. President to make a speech soon.

[JS80]

Economy recovering, Osama Bin fuckin Laden: dead, charming and articulate Obama means right wing is pretty much fooked. Although I should say right right wing doesnt hav a chance cuz Obama is already bought and sold.

Which economy are you referring to?

 

[fskimospy]

News is reporting CIA built the intel based on courier movements over time. Also the house was built in 2005, custom built to house Bin Laden.

Right, and as soon as they knew he was there they went in immediately I'd bet. There would be no time wasted on mockups or trial runs, because you wouldn't have the luxury of time for that.

 

[Infohawk]

I don't need a link since any one who knows anything about DNA would say that's what you do if you don't have a direct source. It's most likely we do not have any. However other people have stated they have his sister's brain, and that's a sufficient source of DNA to make a confirmation.

First of all I'm not doubting they got Osama. What I'm doubting is that UNLESS THEY ALREADY HAD HIS INDIVIDUAL DNA that that was not the only evidence they used to confirm his identity.

I'm also guessing you don't have any sort of science background but if you do feel free to contradict me with _actual arguments_ instead of empty claims that you know about DNA. The Bin Laden family is pretty big. Two parents can produce children with many different combinations of their DNA. Unless you have the specific child's DNA you ONLY know that your corpse is related to the parents. There's not some DNA that says "Osama" under a microscope.

 

[Perknose]

First of all I'm not doubting they got Osama. What I'm doubting is that UNLESS THEY ALREADY HAD HIS INDIVIDUAL DNA that that was not the only evidence they used to confirm his identity.

I'm also guessing you don't have any sort of science background but if you do feel free to contradict me with _actual arguments_ instead of empty claims that you know about DNA. The Bin Laden family is pretty big. Two parents can produce children with many different combinations of their DNA. Unless you have the specific child's DNA you ONLY know that your corpse is related to the parents. There's not some DNA that says "Osama" under a microscope.

They found the name "Osama B." on a name tag sewed into the underwear on the corpse. Case closed.

 

[ProfJohn]

From the other thread.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42853221/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

Amazing how this all came about.

 

[zinfamous]

They probably didn't do any of that. Considering how frequently Osama was supposed to be moving around, the intel they got was probably something they acted on within hours, probably the result of a single source or intercepted communication.

well, according to Obama:

August: location

last week: actionable intel

today: go

 

[sciwizam]

This guy live tweeted the raid, not knowing what really was going on. Check his stream of tweets from yesterday.

http://twitter.com/ReallyVirtual

https://twitter.com/m0hcin

 

[zinfamous]

Which economy are you referring to?

Oh, I'm sorry.

You seem to think we are in the serious Depression that was predicted for us in the summer of 2008.

But we aren't.

and never were.




...that's odd, isn't it?

 

[herkulease]

First of all I'm not doubting they got Osama. What I'm doubting is that UNLESS THEY ALREADY HAD HIS INDIVIDUAL DNA that that was not the only evidence they used to confirm his identity.

I'm also guessing you don't have any sort of science background but if you do feel free to contradict me with _actual arguments_ instead of empty claims that you know about DNA. The Bin Laden family is pretty big. Two parents can produce children with many different combinations of their DNA. Unless you have the specific child's DNA you ONLY know that your corpse is related to the parents. There's not some DNA that says "Osama" under a microscope.

I doubt the govt has any other sources that are credible. Dental records? I doubt he went to see a dentist recently. If he did I doubt they'd keep records. Tattoos? Not sure if anyone ever got clean look at him to know for sure.

The best way would be assuming they know it is not suspect(ie none of the maury povich baby daddy stuff) is obtain dna from a sibling of his and one of his children.

they can compare both to narrow the possibility down to where the odds are unlikely that it is anyone else.

 

[filetitan]

About freaking time! America, F#$@ YEAH!

 

[ProfJohn]

http://paktidings.blogspot.com/2011/05/helicopter-crashed-in-abbottabad.html?spref=tw

Awesome!! Story about the helicopter crashing, but no one knew it was related to Osama.

 

[Infohawk]

I doubt the govt has any other sources that are credible. Dental records? I doubt he went to see a dentist recently. If he did I doubt they'd keep records. Tattoos? Not sure if anyone ever got clean look at him to know for sure.

The best way would be assuming they know it is not suspect(ie none of the maury povich baby daddy stuff) is obtain dna from a sibling of his and one of his children.

He was a wealthy guy. Somewhere I'm sure doctors had his medical records from an early age and the powers that be got a hold of them. It's not that complicated.

they can compare both to narrow the possibility down to where the odds are unlikely that it is anyone else.

It was a big family. There are a lot of possible gene combinations. The only thing you're confirming is that he was part of the family. Now granted, since he was apparently a black sheep it's probably a good sign that a guy with guns in Pakistan is Osama.

 

[Infohawk]

If it's some guy who is 6' 5", looks like pictures of him, and it's proven that he was a member of the bin Laden family via DNA testing they can be 99.99% certain it actually is OBL.

I don't disagree with that. You're confused about what my position is.

 

[zinfamous]

I doubt the govt has any other sources that are credible. Dental records? I doubt he went to see a dentist recently. If he did I doubt they'd keep records. Tattoos? Not sure if anyone ever got clean look at him to know for sure.

.

he's fundy Muslim...

 

[LTC8K6]

http://thewashingtonroast.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Osama-Bin-Laden.jpg

Pic used to create fake death pic?

 

[theeedude]

Lol, wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_laden

Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden IS DEAD 4 REAL BITCHEZ!!!! KICKIN IT WIT TUPAC IN THE AFTERLIFE!

 

[Infohawk]

http://thewashingtonroast.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Osama-Bin-Laden.jpg

Pic used to create fake death pic?

There's a fake death pic?

It looks like Navy Seals did this. Isn't it possible or likely that one of them had a helmet cam? I hope so.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't disagree with that. You're confused about what my position is.

all you want to knwo is how they have Osama's DNA, right?

I'm not sure, it would be speculation like anything else, but all I know, is they don't really need it. bin Laden DNA would be enough with corroborating evidence, plus his body.


Honestly, though, where would they be able to get confirmed DNA from Osama previously? not terribly likely. You have bin Laden DNA, a body, solid intel, shit tons of family members to ID the corpse.

why are you prattling on about this?

I do work with DNA on a daily basis, though. I can tell you, all they need is family DNA.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

didn't his family have one of the biggest contracts with halliburton at one point?

No, that was Osama himself. Several of his family members don't want anything to do with terrorists (no matter whether it's Al Qaida or Halliburton).

 

[Infohawk]

all you want to knwo is how they have Osama's DNA, right?

I'm not sure, it would be speculation like anything else, but all I know, is they don't really need it. bin Laden DNA would be enough with corroborating evidence, plus his body.


Honestly, though, where would they be able to get confirmed DNA from Osama previously? not terribly likely. You have bin Laden DNA, a body, solid intel, shit tons of family members to ID the corpse.

why are you prattling on about this?

I do work with DNA on a daily basis, though. I can tell you, all they need is family DNA.

Your post is incoherent. For example, you refer to "Bin Laden DNA." Does that mean Osama's DNA or family's DNA? (I don't really care I'm just pointing out that you're incoherent.)

I'm "prattling on" because idiots like you keep responding to my posts out of context and trying to put words in my mouth. I SPECIFICALLY ACKNOWLEDGED THAT FAMILY DNA AND THE CORPSE IS ONE OF MANY PIECES OF EVIDENCE USED TO CONFIRM THE IDENTITY. I am not trying to deny that it is Osama. If you're going to respond I'd ask that you have the decency to read my other posts on the subject, asshat.

 

[wuliheron]

I bet it felt so good for whoever took the shot on Osama.

I know quite a few seals. They're professionals who probably were waiting outside for hours or days uncertain if the intel was any good. When they went in they would have shot him once and if he didn't fall to floor with his legs crossed they would have shot him a second time just to make sure he never got back up. The time for having feelings and double checking its the right guy comes later.

 

[LTC8K6]

There's a fake death pic?

It looks like Navy Seals did this. Isn't it possible or likely that one of them had a helmet cam? I hope so.

Yes, death pic going around is quite old.

http://windowintopalestine.blogspot.com/2010/11/years-of-deceit-us-openly-accepts-bin.html

 

[LTC8K6]

Zer0 said the op was today, so they wouldn't have DNA confirmation yet.

 

[sportage]

I think President Obama was just re elected. A no brainer.
So lets save all the wasted campaign money and donate it to cancer research, or something...

 

[Infohawk]

I think President Obama was just re elected. A no brainer.
So lets save all the wasted campaign money and donate it to cancer research, or something...

It's always the economy. This is going to help a little but if Obama wants to win in 2012 he needs the average retard to believe the economy is either good or on its way to good.