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LunarRay

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I think gay folks should be able to marry... after all it is a legal issue first...
the only proviso I'd apply is that one must be male and the other female other than that I don't care if they are gay or sad.
 

0roo0roo

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Sep 21, 2002
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no skin off my back, let em marry:p

i personally don't think religious fundamentalists should be allowed to breed. then again i'm not going to make a law against it:p
 

Hayabusa Rider

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As long as we are talking civil marriages, OK. I would be against forcing a religious body to allow marriage. That would be a tremendous constitutional violation.


 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Alistar7
"...let's just keep it to ourselves though."

what does that mean?
Do I flaunt my sexuality in front of you? No?...then please do me the same common courtesy. I think that if gays weren't as flamboyant trying to make everything a gay thing, then heterosexuals and homophobes would pretty much let them be.

That's not the case though, ever see the number of rainbow colored bumper stickers, gay and proud T-Shirts, gay awareness week, gay parades....Enough already, you are gay, big whooptidoodah, get way over it already...

I don't wear T-shirts claiming my affinity for eating at the Y, so why remind me of what you like to do behind closed doors?
I'm sure they would appreciate the same in return, so once you manage to get all references and images to heterosexual sex off television, the big screen, and the print media, including porn and I'm sure they will be more than willing to hide their activities from your view.

In other words, you can do what you want whenever or wherever you choose, but they must hide their actions so that nobody can see, I see how that seems equal in your eyes.

 

YellowRose

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Originally posted by: Nitemare

You don't see me throwing on solid colored clothing and marching down main street carrying straight and proud signs, so they can do their own thing and we can do our own thing and live in harmony...
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I guess you haven't read a book, newspaper, watched a movie, watched TV, or read a mag. or even ended up on a wrong website. In otherwords you have been in total isolation since the day of your birth.

Now the denial of civil unions is a violation of civil rights.

We also have no way of determining what is male or female.

If you look at other religions other than the so called judo-christan religions you will find many ,many interesting things.

Now prezero frankly speaking I'm tired of supporting your lifestyle and kids . You want a family, then you should pay for everything. And why should you get a tax break for placing a burden on the rest of us. You want a kid then accept the responsibility that comes with one. Don't ask the rest of us to help fund your lifestyle.
 

JellyBaby

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Apr 21, 2000
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The Constitution doesn't grant us rights, it affirms pre-existing rights and restricts the government from trampling on them. The rights themselves stem from a higher power, God or natural law if that digests better.

We have the right to couple to procreate. In a gay union the parts don't fit so I'm not sure of the point but hey if they want to get together and make it official, the government has no authority really to interfere.

Now marriage has historical origins in religion but yet today it has a secular, civil and legal meaning as well.

Fear not, our government in its ultimate and infinite wisdom will determine what's best for us and relieve us the burden of figuring it out ourselves.

Just accept your government number, fill out the proper forms in triplicate, accept the implant and be on your way.
 

YellowRose

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Yes marriage has historical origins in religion. They occured outside of the Church as they were seen as nothing more than the exchange of property.
If you dare to really study the early church you will find that the only marriages that took place inside the Church were between Men.
Any way whose religion do we use. Whose god or gods do you chose to follow. Maybe you follow none and believe in none. Then what?
 

Fencer128

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I personally view homosexuality as I do suicide -- the government should protect you from yourself, which in turn, protects itself. You can't have everyone turn gay or the population would decline severely I would imagine.. Just as you couldn't encourage everyone to go off and kill themselves or else the country wouldn't last very long.
I wouldn't worry unduly. I've never met anyone who claimed to "turn" gay. I don't know what the proportions are like - but I doubt we're talking big % of gay people - so the population is safe for the moment! If the numbers are increasing - more than likely that's almost exclusively due to the fact that people feel more comfortable admitting this nowadays, rather than keeping it a secret.

Cheers,

Andy
 

przero

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YellowRose - No kids. Now wiseass who are you supporting? Not me, or mine. But I bet I'm chipping in to keep you up!
 

jackschmittusa

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Whenever people's rights have been ignored for a long time they have to call attention to it to muster support for getting the situation corrected. Many whites didn't like to see blacks marching with banners in the not so distant past. I'm sure the British didn't like to see Ghandi and company marching down the road either. But you have to admit "putting it in your face" got results. There are also the concepts of freedom to assemble and free speach in the U.S. that are to be treasured. There are a lot of groups that I hate to see parading their beliefs and hope that they gain no converts to their point of view. But I would never suggest that they not be allowed to do it. I also challange anyone to prove that homosexuality is abnormal. It has been practiced through all ages (much of the time openly and accepted by society at large). Religion made it "wrong" as it produced no new members of the sect.
 

Alistar7

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May 13, 2002
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also occurs naturally, which really fvcks up the modern religous arguements against homosexuality....
 

Insane3D

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I want to pose a question to those who think being gay is a "choice" or a "lifestyle". As a heterosexual male, I am attracted to women, and women only. This attraction is almost purely biological. This appears to be the case for any heterosexual male or female as far as I can tell. Now, if you consider yourself a "normal" heterosexual, do you think you could suddenly force yourself to be attracted to the same sex? Speaking for myself, I don't see any possible way that I could suddenly lose interest in beautiful women, and become attracted to other men. These attractions occur in our brain on the biological level, and to say gay people choose to be that way is not a true statement IMO.

So, if this is the case, and gay people are gay people from birth, and have no choice, why should they be denied rights that everyone else has just because of how their brain works? One more thing. Anyone notice how 90% of the time people discuss gay rights, they are upset about two men getting together? You rarely see arguments about two women getting together. In fact, seeing two women together seems to be very high on most men's sexual favorites, and very popular in the pornography business.

Anywho...times change, we need to adapt or laws and pratices from time to time to keep them current.

:)
 

MadRat

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Homosexuality is roughly equivalent in numbers to the number of people affected by other disabilities.

Does that mean people with disabilities should have the protection from the ADA removed because their problems are merely "natural"?
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: MadRat
Homosexuality is roughly equivalent in numbers to the number of people affected by other disabilities.

Does that mean people with disabilities should have the protection from the ADA removed because their problems are merely "natural"?
Of course not. Homosexuality is hardly a "disability" like the people protected by the ADA. You are comparing apples and oranges...
 

MadRat

Lifer
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If homosexuality eventually bears out to be linked to genetics or mutations then why wouldn't it?
 

Insane3D

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Simple, where is the disability? Just because someone is attracted to the opposite sex is not a physical disability.
 

MadRat

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If homosexuality is natural and should be considered normal, then disabilities should be considered normal, too. Neither group would then get any special consideration. As it is now the homosexuals get special consideration in some states to be considered as domestic unions, just as if it was an unmarried man and woman in a domestic union.
 

jackschmittusa

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An unmarried man and woman have the option to marry. Why shouldn't gays be allowed the same option? I also suppose that being right-handed is normal and that southpaws like me are disabled. By many estimates I've seen, the proportion of lefthanders and gays are about the same so you can't decide what is normal by a head count and not everything that varies from the statistical majority is a disability.
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
An unmarried man and woman have the option to marry. Why shouldn't gays be allowed the same option? I also suppose that being right-handed is normal and that southpaws like me are disabled. By many estimates I've seen, the proportion of lefthanders and gays are about the same so you can't decide what is normal by a head count and not everything that varies from the statistical majority is a disability.
No no...MadRat's logic is bulletproof don't you know...



Damn lefties....if you don't use your right hand, you should be labeled as a cripple...
 

przero

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Do they file income tax as "married filing jointly" after this domestic union?
 

Vic

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My GF and I have been living together, unmarried, for 5 years (no common law in OR or WA). I do not require governmental nor insitutional religious sanction for my relationships. I have no respect for anyone, straight or gay, who says that they need that sanction in order to have a loving long-term relationship.
Hey, and guess what? every year I do our taxes and every year, if we had been married, we would have paid more. Lots more.
 

MadRat

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Oct 14, 1999
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Originally posted by: Vic
My GF and I have been living together, unmarried, for 5 years (no common law in OR or WA). I do not require governmental nor insitutional religious sanction for my relationships. I have no respect for anyone, straight or gay, who says that they need that sanction in order to have a loving long-term relationship. Hey, and guess what? every year I do our taxes and every year, if we had been married, we would have paid more. Lots more.
Which is a good argument why being "married" shouldn't matter on taxes. The federal government should tax everyone the same, married and unmarried, least thats how the Constitution was supposed to work; equal taxation under the law.
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: tkotitan2
If you watched the factor tonight, his poll question at the end was "should gay marriage be legalized?."

I sent bill an email, but i'm curious what you think. here's what I said.

Bill,

The phrase "Gay marriage" is a contradictory statement. In Vermont we allow for tax breaks with "Civil Unions" since marriage is attached to religious institutions. In fact, most people don't know that our state passed a law stating that "Marriage" is defined between a man and a woman. I think the legality of a civil union is justified, however the extreme opinions I have heard arise from this controvesial topic reveal a scary truth which is that many people want being gay to be considered normal behavior. It is not the norm, and our children need to be taught that.
I'm curious to know what other people think. Frankly, I think marriage should be taken out of the lawbooks entirely, and we should just have a system where individuals can claim dependents for tax breaks. Keep sexual preference out of the law books unless we're talking molestation or rape. This was a very dividing issue in VT 4 years ago, i basically don't think that the governement should give anyone a break based on sexuality, and that would keep gays who want "marriage" away from churches and disgust people with public displays that only offend people and confuse children.
Just because you live in a backwards state doesn't mean gay marriage is a contradiction. And why would molestation or rape need to be in the law books as a sexual preference? WTH are you getting at there?
 

conjur

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Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: MadRat
If homosexuality is natural and should be considered normal, then disabilities should be considered normal, too. Neither group would then get any special consideration. As it is now the homosexuals get special consideration in some states to be considered as domestic unions, just as if it was an unmarried man and woman in a domestic union.
WTF? Are you calling homosexuality a disability? And what's wrong with making sure gays are not discriminated against? By your logic, all hate crimes should not be considered as such.
 

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