Organic Water, the next big thing?

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WelshBloke

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This. Same with the genetically modified foods. Nearly every food you eat has been genetically modified in some way. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years via selective breeding and grafting. Gee, let's improve a plant's hardiness so poor people don't starve. Herassy!

Thing is though most genetically modified plants are modified not to be tougher but to be resistant to herbicides, so that the company that made the seeds can then sell you a crap ton of herbicide to drench over your crops.

Also you cant do the normal thing farmers have done for centuries and hold back some of your harvest to sow the next season, you have to buy more from the seed manufacturers.

So no there's nothing intrinsically wrong with GM products, but the way the industry works is pretty rotten.
 

ShawnD1

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and people do have strong allergies to MSG as well.
Ionic compounds like MSG or table salt break into positive and negative components when dissolved in water, so let's look at the components of Mono Sodium Glutamate

Sodium - YOU NEED THIS TO LIVE
Glutamate - YOU NEED THIS TO LIVE

Saying you're allergic to MSG is like saying you're allergic to oxygen or water.
 

Kirby

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People have been drinking artesian water for a long time, isn't that 'organic' by this standard?

Artesian just means it's confined and pressurized. I have no idea how that makes it better, if any.
 

Modelworks

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Just because the water is below fields that don't use pesticides or chemicals doesn't mean it is good for you. Many wells have been deemed unhealthy from the run off of natural decomposition of the soil . It isn't what is on the surface that matters, it is what is between the surface and the water. Where I live everyone gets water from wells. The difference in taste and quality always depends on the ground below. My brother has clay soil and his water smells of sulfur. My dad has mostly sandy soil , so much a company wanted to mine it, and his water is ultra clear and taste better than bottled water. Both of these wells are in areas that are not exposed to chemicals.
 

ShawnD1

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Just because the water is below fields that don't use pesticides or chemicals doesn't mean it is good for you.

I remember some story in India where phosphates were somehow able to displace arsenates found in the soil, so water pulled from the ground contained a lot of arsenic. There's some seriously bad shit out there in nature. Thank god we have water treatment.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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I love the scientific, logical arguments against organic water that completely ignore the millions made from regular bottled water that is indistinguishable from tap water. More power (and money) to 'em.
 

Taejin

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You probably are better off without it. Its processed heavily before becoming "edible" anything processed heavily should be avoided. Wheat wasn't even heavy part of the human diet at all until relatively recently. Most tribal peoples don't consume wheat to this day.

lol ignorant shit like this is what makes me LAWL when it comes to foodstuffs
 

MrPickins

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You probably are better off without it. Its processed heavily before becoming "edible" anything processed heavily should be avoided. Wheat wasn't even heavy part of the human diet at all until relatively recently. Most tribal peoples don't consume wheat to this day.

You may consider washing (with water) the starches out of flour until all that remains is gluten to be heavy processing, but I don't.


Close.

As opposed to the ones soaked in pesticides, grown in soil that is loaded with more pesticides, pumped with chemicals made to be larger/jucier and then polished with wax and oils to look shiny.

"Organic" does not mean "pesticide free". In fact, many of the organic pesticides are as dangerous (if not more so) than non-organic pesticides.
 

Jeff7

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This. Same with the genetically modified foods. Nearly every food you eat has been genetically modified in some way. Humans have been doing it for thousands of years via selective breeding and grafting. Gee, let's improve a plant's hardiness so poor people don't starve. Herassy!

Organic water goes hand in hand with the raw milk debate. The reason we treat it via pasteurization or chemicals is so you don't die after drinking it. :p
Say what you will, I drink raw milk because it doesn't cause my intestinal tract to unleash vast quantities of gas-propelled Liquid Fury of Hell. I think that's kind of a difficult thing to fake with a placebo effect too.

Store bought milk results in horrendous gurgling of the guts not too long after consumption, followed by The Desecrating of the Porcelain.

On the other hand, raw milk is so terribly benign that it's one of the few things I can consume in the morning without it causing some kind of stomach discomfort. (Generally, breakfast right before heading to work is kept light, because damn near anything results in some kind of stomachache. Raw milk causes absolutely no problems at all.)
And if it's collected properly, well, I've not had any issues with it, put it that way. Just clean them big ol' cow boobs properly. I also don't know what all it's got in it - enzymes, beneficial bacteria, or what else - but my tolerance for pasteurized/homogenized milk products has improved as well. Allegedly, the pasteurization and homogenization processes do various bizarre things to milk, which ends up making it more difficult to digest.



Thing is though most genetically modified plants are modified not to be tougher but to be resistant to herbicides, so that the company that made the seeds can then sell you a crap ton of herbicide to drench over your crops.

Also you cant do the normal thing farmers have done for centuries and hold back some of your harvest to sow the next season, you have to buy more from the seed manufacturers.

So no there's nothing intrinsically wrong with GM products, but the way the industry works is pretty rotten.
That's the unfortunate thing. Genetic modification is often presented as some altruistic and benevolent way of helping humanity by making the plants better - just a way of artificially accelerating selective breeding for improved yields or quality of the foodstuff. Instead, as you said, they just make it so that they can chemically nuke the field to kill damn near everything else, and have the crop survive.

And the business practices of some organizations...Monsanto, I'm looking at you, do tend to sour the view of this sort of thing.