blackangst1
Lifer
- Feb 23, 2005
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Tell Oregon to go to Hell! I think people could find a way to reprogram their GPS or just install a jammer.
Maye they need a milage tax for Bicycles.
Maye they need a milage tax for Bicycles.
brandonbull
Diamond Member
- May 3, 2005
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Doesn't the use of electric of fuel efficent cars reduce the need for as many gas tanker trucks running around the highways?
funboy6942
Lifer
- Nov 13, 2001
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So they can not only tell where the hell your going and been at any time, they can also sell to companies those records so they can figure out a new way to advertise to you personally by knowing where you go every minute of the day, getting money under the table selling off your driving habits as to where you go, what shop you shop at most, where you eat out most, etc, etc, doe anyone else find the over all out of the box picture so fucking wrong, not just the fact there will be a GPS in my car letting anyone know where I am at at any given time, and keep records of where I go, but maybe even sell my habits as well so they can make money off big companies so they can make money off me based on where I go in my own car?????
This ever get instated I will find a way to block this shit from transmitting, or will build my own way of transportation. What next after this, a GPS in your bike, Go Cart, moped, HEAD? This shit scares me and is way over the line, just like the black boxes installed on every car now that records what you were doing in the last 5 seconds before you had a crash so your/their insurance company can know what YOU were doing prior to the crash.
And to make taxes go up, they dont make people who drive SUV's less, if they can afford to buy it, most 90% of them can afford the gas for them no matter what, its the false positive that raising gas curbs people from using more, its that the lower middle class and poor, that get by paycheck to paycheck thats forced into driving less, and spending less in other places to make up the increase in gas costs they have to pay just to get to the store and work. Upper middle and rich can care less what the price of gas is for their SUV, they can afford to drop $40K for one, they can afford the gas for it too, but its middle and poor that makes this world go around, and when you start to put the strain and OUR pockets, making us use any extra cash for higher gas prices and food prices, its no wonder nothing else is getting bought and the economy goes to shit.
If the feds want to fix this, instead of higher taxes, gas prices, and bailing out Big Companies, bail out the lower and middle class, buy them a home, pay off their homes, give them a new reason to have money in their pockets they didnt have before because they no longer have rent or mortgage every month. They will use that money to buy a newer more efficient car, then try to get by with their beat up beater needing a tune up thats 20+ years old. They can afford to take their family on a trip and spend some cash in other states that make a living off tourism, money into the pockets of the upper middle class and rich, who are losing money hand a fist because no one can afford to go anywhere anymore and are stuck staying at home or close to home, about to make that class down to the lower mid/poor range. We could put money away, invest it, who knows what when you can help take away $500-$2K a month by giving every US citizen a bought and paid for home by Bailing them out, those that really need it and can use it, and can take that money to further their child's education. I guess what Im saying is, if you give the people this kind of bail out, your going to bail out everyone else effected, the banks, mortgage companies, the Auto Industry, you name it, everyone, and everything would come in to play and level out if the feds would do a Home FREE for every person in the lower middle/poverty level, be it they build them a new one, they are able to buy the one they are in right now, or give them a cap at which they can go cross country, near that job they have always wanted to have, and get a home close to that, or relatives. This would work down to even the section 8 people, for they still have to pay some rent, $300-$600 a month, and with having that money back in their pockets where do you think is thee first thing, out side of drugs some may use, but not everyone will, maybe 5%, but where do you think the most is going to do with that? Dump their beat to fuck car, for a newer, more efficient one, saving the greenies their precious gas they keep bitching is being used, taking care of a problem there, for its not the SUV's sucking up the gas, its the 10+ year old cars poor people use to get to work on under inflated tires, in desperate need of a tune up they cant afford to get done, or get rid of because its a catch 22, thats sucking up more gas then the mom in her SUV she can AFFORD, to take little Bill to Soccer. Id say a very large proportion will go and do that right away, I know I would do that if I could dump my 88 Astro, knowing I could afford 5 years of payments on a newer car because I wont have to worry about money for it. Though mine runs fine, I have been next and behind more then one, as Im sure you all have too, thats pukes black smoke from the stop light, or all the time, and sounds like it is going to blow up. And when it does blow up, will take their $200 in savings and buy another one just like it.
Sure some property will go down, way down after a while, but what a small price to pay for the upper middle class, and rich to be able to keep their companies going, products flowing, food on their table and a roof over their head keeping them from becoming poor if something doesnt get done right away. Who cares that your multi million home dropped a few 100K, your making more money then ever, hiring more people to work for you, because 70% of the people who buy the stuff that makes the world work, have money, a home they can call theirs, and better jobs to pick from because the economy just got one hell of a kick in the mother fucking ass with everyone having all this new found money, and a roof over their heads for ever, feeling secure, and have a new found love maybe for their government. That little thing alone right here I mentioned would take care of a TON of things for everyone across ALL class of people.
But sorry for going off topic, I still hate the idea of the GPS in every car, thats bull shit.
This ever get instated I will find a way to block this shit from transmitting, or will build my own way of transportation. What next after this, a GPS in your bike, Go Cart, moped, HEAD? This shit scares me and is way over the line, just like the black boxes installed on every car now that records what you were doing in the last 5 seconds before you had a crash so your/their insurance company can know what YOU were doing prior to the crash.
And to make taxes go up, they dont make people who drive SUV's less, if they can afford to buy it, most 90% of them can afford the gas for them no matter what, its the false positive that raising gas curbs people from using more, its that the lower middle class and poor, that get by paycheck to paycheck thats forced into driving less, and spending less in other places to make up the increase in gas costs they have to pay just to get to the store and work. Upper middle and rich can care less what the price of gas is for their SUV, they can afford to drop $40K for one, they can afford the gas for it too, but its middle and poor that makes this world go around, and when you start to put the strain and OUR pockets, making us use any extra cash for higher gas prices and food prices, its no wonder nothing else is getting bought and the economy goes to shit.
If the feds want to fix this, instead of higher taxes, gas prices, and bailing out Big Companies, bail out the lower and middle class, buy them a home, pay off their homes, give them a new reason to have money in their pockets they didnt have before because they no longer have rent or mortgage every month. They will use that money to buy a newer more efficient car, then try to get by with their beat up beater needing a tune up thats 20+ years old. They can afford to take their family on a trip and spend some cash in other states that make a living off tourism, money into the pockets of the upper middle class and rich, who are losing money hand a fist because no one can afford to go anywhere anymore and are stuck staying at home or close to home, about to make that class down to the lower mid/poor range. We could put money away, invest it, who knows what when you can help take away $500-$2K a month by giving every US citizen a bought and paid for home by Bailing them out, those that really need it and can use it, and can take that money to further their child's education. I guess what Im saying is, if you give the people this kind of bail out, your going to bail out everyone else effected, the banks, mortgage companies, the Auto Industry, you name it, everyone, and everything would come in to play and level out if the feds would do a Home FREE for every person in the lower middle/poverty level, be it they build them a new one, they are able to buy the one they are in right now, or give them a cap at which they can go cross country, near that job they have always wanted to have, and get a home close to that, or relatives. This would work down to even the section 8 people, for they still have to pay some rent, $300-$600 a month, and with having that money back in their pockets where do you think is thee first thing, out side of drugs some may use, but not everyone will, maybe 5%, but where do you think the most is going to do with that? Dump their beat to fuck car, for a newer, more efficient one, saving the greenies their precious gas they keep bitching is being used, taking care of a problem there, for its not the SUV's sucking up the gas, its the 10+ year old cars poor people use to get to work on under inflated tires, in desperate need of a tune up they cant afford to get done, or get rid of because its a catch 22, thats sucking up more gas then the mom in her SUV she can AFFORD, to take little Bill to Soccer. Id say a very large proportion will go and do that right away, I know I would do that if I could dump my 88 Astro, knowing I could afford 5 years of payments on a newer car because I wont have to worry about money for it. Though mine runs fine, I have been next and behind more then one, as Im sure you all have too, thats pukes black smoke from the stop light, or all the time, and sounds like it is going to blow up. And when it does blow up, will take their $200 in savings and buy another one just like it.
Sure some property will go down, way down after a while, but what a small price to pay for the upper middle class, and rich to be able to keep their companies going, products flowing, food on their table and a roof over their head keeping them from becoming poor if something doesnt get done right away. Who cares that your multi million home dropped a few 100K, your making more money then ever, hiring more people to work for you, because 70% of the people who buy the stuff that makes the world work, have money, a home they can call theirs, and better jobs to pick from because the economy just got one hell of a kick in the mother fucking ass with everyone having all this new found money, and a roof over their heads for ever, feeling secure, and have a new found love maybe for their government. That little thing alone right here I mentioned would take care of a TON of things for everyone across ALL class of people.
But sorry for going off topic, I still hate the idea of the GPS in every car, thats bull shit.
Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: mugs
Really, really dumb. The GPS trackers cost money, and the upside to gas taxes is people who drive fuel efficient cars benefit. Why would they want to take away part of the advantage of driving a fuel efficient car?Fuel efficient cars are generally lighter and cause less wear on roads anyway.
They still have the advantage of spending a lot less money on gasoline. I agree with you that fuel efficient cars are generally lighter and cause less wear on roads. However, why should someone with an electric vehicle pay zero in taxes to drive on roads? (not that electricity isn't taxed, but there's no road tax on electricity). It seems that this is the fairest method, when coupled with tax incentives to purchase more fuel efficient vehicles.
OK, why should somebody who doesn't drive at all pay the portion of federal, state, and sales taxes which go to roads? Why should people who never go to the park pay property taxes for park maintenance? Why should people in brick houses pay for the fire department?
If they're not going to do a gas tax, then they should do a weight * mileage tax. A mileage tax by itself makes no sense. The garbage truck putting on a dozen miles in a small neighborhood tears up the roads much more than thousands of miles in a Prius.
Right now gas taxes basically subsidize food prices, since trucks cause the vast majority of road damage.
Wouldn't it be easier to just record the mileage via the odometer and charge the tax when you renew your tags? I realize that you would be taxed on mileage outside of the state, but still seems to make more sense then install GPS on all new cars.
waggy
No Lifer
- Dec 14, 2000
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yeah? great idea! to bad they didn't put somehitng in cars like this already. you know to track how many miles we go. man that would be great wouldnt it? i can see a how usefull it is.
who is to say they won't put in ones that send/recieve? who is to say it won't record where you go and the speeds?
this has many problems and not just privacy. what about vehicles that drive on private roads? what about when they go out of state? etc.
not to mention there are other ways to prove milage other then GPS
m1ldslide1
Platinum Member
- Feb 20, 2006
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The economics of this don't bother me - I live in Portland and ride the bus to work, so the increase in taxes would be negligible. However the people in Portland/Salem always seem to forget that like 75% of the state is rural, and all of those people would be penalized at a higher rate since they have to drive further to get where they're going. I'm not convinced that's fair, unless someone points out a statistic claiming that maintaining rural roads consumes a disproportionate amount of the ODOT budget.
As far as the big brother debate, I'm not terribly worried about this, and I feel like it's probably inevitable. I would think that these records would have to be admissible in court, and that may or may not be a positive thing. AFAIK people don't have a problem with cell phone records being used in court - is this a whole lot different? Speaking of which, when your cell phone is turned on, you can be located. That information is under the control of the providers of course, but who's to say it can't be subpoenaed (or even covertly tracked) by Homeland Security without your knowledge?
As far as the big brother debate, I'm not terribly worried about this, and I feel like it's probably inevitable. I would think that these records would have to be admissible in court, and that may or may not be a positive thing. AFAIK people don't have a problem with cell phone records being used in court - is this a whole lot different? Speaking of which, when your cell phone is turned on, you can be located. That information is under the control of the providers of course, but who's to say it can't be subpoenaed (or even covertly tracked) by Homeland Security without your knowledge?
It is possible, but that's not what Dave was saying. I don't agree with the proposal at all, and it could easily be used as a Trojan Horse to implement such tracking without public awareness.
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