I think you'll have to go with the x1900 xt, the 7900 gtx is out of stock pretty much everywhere right now and probably will be for some time.
7900 would be the choice for me, but if you're planning on have AA and AF at the same time, I'd go for the x1900. In general, I'd wait until DirectX 10 video cards come out...
ok guys thanks for all of the input so far, it has helped me make difrent choices and so on,i will update the list of parts soon, and about "schould" i guess im sorry? i have spelt it that way since i was a child. now do i understand that if im playing at extreme reseloutions the X1900XT is the way to go but if im just at 12x10 and so on the 7900GTX will do better? i dont kno, please help me make my decision and also i still cant decide the mobo, i want to keep it arouind the same price but i dont kno..
Unless you have a 30" monster like the Dell 3007WFP, I really can't support the statement that ATi is significantly better in high resolutions (1680*1050, 1600*1200 and 1920*1200). They are on par, ATi wins some benchmarks, nVidia wins some. The GeForces have, which is really incredible, pretty much closed the gap in F.E.A.R. When Radeons X1900 came out, I thought I'd grab one of them. Now, I'm all GeForce again - since I get pretty much the same performance and much lower noise level. Plus, I trust nVidia more in terms of driver maturity and compatibility. ATi has a slight advantage of a bit better anisotropic filtering, HDR + AA in all games that support it (which I don't need, since I usually don't like HDR) and... availability.
Prices are in the same range here in Poland so I don't want to use this argument in favor of either.
Prices are in the same range here in Poland so I don't want to use this argument in favor of either.
if you have last months? maximum pc it tests the 1900xt against the gtx and the ati wins most. if you like AA/AF eyecandy and good quality characters when plsying fps games go with ATI, if you're just aiming for playable quality go with the nvidia, i've owned top of the line models from both companies and i vouch for ati
^ you just said that the Nvidia 7900GTX 512 will only allow "Playable Quality"...... buddy you obvoiously have NO idea what youre talking about... consitering my friends 6600 can play all games on "playable Quality".......
:EDIT: or he is just a Fanboy of ATI
:EDIT: or he is just a Fanboy of ATI
iam an owner of nvidia 6800. it sucked compared to the ati cards in the range in cs:s. i had to run on med-low settings to get 60fps. i'm also well aware that nvidia cards are weak in aa/af so turn everything up and play on high res and you'll see the "playable quality" i'm talking about.
ok, well ive heard many other things so, i am still deciding. As for the motherboard? should i change it?, and what to (non SLI btw)
Only if he was going SLI, but he's NOT. In this case, the SLI x16 mobo is simply a waste of money. I'm amazed at how many people actually buy or recommend so-called top of the line stuff without the real need for it.
If someone wants a super powerful SLI rig and/or OCing, the A8N32 is great because of some moderate performance advantages in advanced AA modes, passive cooling, tons of features, 8 phase power, blah blah blah... Otherwise, it's a waste of money, I repeat.
If I needed a solid board for a single card rig that is packed with features (SATA II, many USB 2.0 ports, perhaps RAID and sound, Gigabit LAN, FireWire, etc.), quiet (passive cooling preferred), fast and stable, why the hell would I want to spend my money on a high end SLI board? I mean, honestly, who needs 2 LANs or SLI x16 chipset?
Man, just get a good brand passively cooled nF4U board and spend the saved cash on beer
If someone wants a super powerful SLI rig and/or OCing, the A8N32 is great because of some moderate performance advantages in advanced AA modes, passive cooling, tons of features, 8 phase power, blah blah blah... Otherwise, it's a waste of money, I repeat.
If I needed a solid board for a single card rig that is packed with features (SATA II, many USB 2.0 ports, perhaps RAID and sound, Gigabit LAN, FireWire, etc.), quiet (passive cooling preferred), fast and stable, why the hell would I want to spend my money on a high end SLI board? I mean, honestly, who needs 2 LANs or SLI x16 chipset?
Man, just get a good brand passively cooled nF4U board and spend the saved cash on beer
FYI In June the new AMD M2 socket will release possibly driving down the prices somewhat on socket 939.
The new socket offers support for DDR2 800 which is the only DDR2 memory I would want.
As for ATI vs. Nvidia I would go with Nvidia. This is largly a brand issue as the benchmarks can be fubbed either way I won't get into this. Still I have had way less issues with Nvidia cards than ATI. I have always considered Nvidia similar to AMD in that they strive for the best gaming performance and shouting at the top of you lungs but Intel can encode mp3's better doesn't stop you from a frag. In that respect actual gameplay settings are handled better with Nvidia IMO.
You might consider a Raptor as your gaming drive and buying a larger HD for storage and music/video archive.
Tom's Hardware has praised Asus board as OC/User friendly as well as benching quite well. You would do well with an Asus board. I bought a Soltek K8 when the board took first place in speed benchmarks...however I will not be supporting off brands anymore as support is slow if not non existant on their website. The driver support/OC software and compatibility with 3rd party programs leave a lot to be desired.
Wooke
The new socket offers support for DDR2 800 which is the only DDR2 memory I would want.
As for ATI vs. Nvidia I would go with Nvidia. This is largly a brand issue as the benchmarks can be fubbed either way I won't get into this. Still I have had way less issues with Nvidia cards than ATI. I have always considered Nvidia similar to AMD in that they strive for the best gaming performance and shouting at the top of you lungs but Intel can encode mp3's better doesn't stop you from a frag. In that respect actual gameplay settings are handled better with Nvidia IMO.
You might consider a Raptor as your gaming drive and buying a larger HD for storage and music/video archive.
Tom's Hardware has praised Asus board as OC/User friendly as well as benching quite well. You would do well with an Asus board. I bought a Soltek K8 when the board took first place in speed benchmarks...however I will not be supporting off brands anymore as support is slow if not non existant on their website. The driver support/OC software and compatibility with 3rd party programs leave a lot to be desired.
Wooke
Hey Jeffrey,
I've done all the research on the best products out there and have built a computer that is both budget practical and smokin' fast. I play BF2 with avg frames of 100+ and have reached 158fps! This is all brand new stuff that I just completed last week. Believe me you should buy this before any other stuff.
First I got an ASRock 939sli32-esata2 MB
This thing is awesome and the chipset running both the north and south bridge is incredible. Faster than the NForce4 which can cost over twice as much. Check out the review.
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2706
Next is the Oh so important RAM. OCZ is the best hands down for reliability and performance. I grabbed the 2 x 1 GB dual channel OCZ platinum kit. You can always add more RAM but 2 GB is the most you'll need right now.
The graphics card is as important as the ram, and far more important than the Processor. So get the best. I went with 2x7900gt?s (Impossible to find now) evga super clocked. These are just as fast as the GTX but cost half as much. All your really be missing out on is the on board ram which wont matter until games become high definition epics.)
Next the processor, all of these overclockers and serious tech freaks swear by the FX series of processors. But who needs all of the processing power most of the pretty pictures are created by the graphics card and stored in the RAM. And you can contract out the sound to a sound card. So DONT overclock it's not worth the extra two or three FPS to have your processor burn out twice as fast. My friend just got the FX60 to pair up with his 7800gtx's and the thing is slower than my new rig. Poor guy. This brings up another point. The FX60 is Dual core but baisicly it is only as good as the individual cores it is made of. Since you cant sync the two processors, or coax them into working as one your baisicly stuck with whatever speed your processor shows because only one is going to be used. The same goes for the opteron, unless you running a network or playing two or four games at once all of those processors are worthless. I recommend the.
AMD 4000+
This will save you money and give you the performance you need. If you ever have the burning desire to feel what an FX processor is like you can overclock this one to a stable 2.72 GHz on a stock fan, not recommended but it can be done. I sometimes overclock mine to 2.6 just to see if it's anybetter, and it's not but its always fun to see.
The power source is very important. Don't go cheap or you'll see it on screen in the form of random frame rates. I got the MagnumXG 550, there are probably better ones out there but I liked this one for its fan less cooling and modular cord design. It works great and has more than enough power. It also has a monitor on the back which tells its temp, this can be useful when you want to blame your power supply for random shutdown.
For the sound car, if you can buy the 2zs gamer sound card, it has all of the features of the X-FI series but wont cost as much because it doesn't have the useless hookups for recording, Unless you?re into that stuff. And it comes with some cool old games, great deal.
The rest of your peripherals sound great except the floppy drive. I hate those things! Time to get rid of the floppy's! But that?s my own opinion. Good luck on your build.
P.S. If you want to protect your system from wear and tear cooling solutions are a good idea even if you aren't overclocking your system. I recomend arctic silver 5 on the cpu, and on the graphics card chips. I use the coolermaster Hyper48 for the CPU's cooling needs, and am waiting on 2 ThermalTake Extreme Giant III Video Coolers for my gpu's. The tiny hummingbirds that EVGA included are not making me feel good about the cooling on my cards.
And to answer your question about future games, like i said before untill High definition epics are the norm, you shouldn't worry, the cost of future proofing is > than the cost of replacing the parts when the future arives.
I've done all the research on the best products out there and have built a computer that is both budget practical and smokin' fast. I play BF2 with avg frames of 100+ and have reached 158fps! This is all brand new stuff that I just completed last week. Believe me you should buy this before any other stuff.
First I got an ASRock 939sli32-esata2 MB
This thing is awesome and the chipset running both the north and south bridge is incredible. Faster than the NForce4 which can cost over twice as much. Check out the review.
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2706
Next is the Oh so important RAM. OCZ is the best hands down for reliability and performance. I grabbed the 2 x 1 GB dual channel OCZ platinum kit. You can always add more RAM but 2 GB is the most you'll need right now.
The graphics card is as important as the ram, and far more important than the Processor. So get the best. I went with 2x7900gt?s (Impossible to find now) evga super clocked. These are just as fast as the GTX but cost half as much. All your really be missing out on is the on board ram which wont matter until games become high definition epics.
) Next the processor, all of these overclockers and serious tech freaks swear by the FX series of processors. But who needs all of the processing power most of the pretty pictures are created by the graphics card and stored in the RAM. And you can contract out the sound to a sound card. So DONT overclock it's not worth the extra two or three FPS to have your processor burn out twice as fast. My friend just got the FX60 to pair up with his 7800gtx's and the thing is slower than my new rig. Poor guy.
This brings up another point. The FX60 is Dual core but baisicly it is only as good as the individual cores it is made of. Since you cant sync the two processors, or coax them into working as one your baisicly stuck with whatever speed your processor shows because only one is going to be used. The same goes for the opteron, unless you running a network or playing two or four games at once all of those processors are worthless. I recommend the.AMD 4000+
This will save you money and give you the performance you need. If you ever have the burning desire to feel what an FX processor is like you can overclock this one to a stable 2.72 GHz on a stock fan, not recommended but it can be done. I sometimes overclock mine to 2.6 just to see if it's anybetter, and it's not but its always fun to see.
The power source is very important. Don't go cheap or you'll see it on screen in the form of random frame rates. I got the MagnumXG 550, there are probably better ones out there but I liked this one for its fan less cooling and modular cord design. It works great and has more than enough power. It also has a monitor on the back which tells its temp, this can be useful when you want to blame your power supply for random shutdown.
For the sound car, if you can buy the 2zs gamer sound card, it has all of the features of the X-FI series but wont cost as much because it doesn't have the useless hookups for recording, Unless you?re into that stuff. And it comes with some cool old games, great deal.
The rest of your peripherals sound great except the floppy drive. I hate those things! Time to get rid of the floppy's! But that?s my own opinion. Good luck on your build.
P.S. If you want to protect your system from wear and tear cooling solutions are a good idea even if you aren't overclocking your system. I recomend arctic silver 5 on the cpu, and on the graphics card chips. I use the coolermaster Hyper48 for the CPU's cooling needs, and am waiting on 2 ThermalTake Extreme Giant III Video Coolers for my gpu's. The tiny hummingbirds that EVGA included are not making me feel good about the cooling on my cards.
And to answer your question about future games, like i said before untill High definition epics are the norm, you shouldn't worry, the cost of future proofing is > than the cost of replacing the parts when the future arives.
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