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So ... What are the odds that the US is going to need a draft?

Polymarket says 14% before end of december... I think that is lowballing it.
 
cytg111 said:
So ... What are the odds that the US is going to need a draft?

Polymarket says 14% before end of december... I think that is lowballing it.
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Seems that the chances will be increase with the passing days... and will deplete the democrat people first.
 
Sounds like the sort of thing that could happen in Trumps America.

Tucker Carlson says that the CIA is drawing a criminal referral of him to the Department of Justice. ... for sharing texts with Iran officials (in his interviews of them) before U.S.-Israeli attacks, which could lead to charges under the Foreign Agent Registration Act.

 
amenx said:
Sounds like the sort of thing that could happen in Trumps America.

Tucker Carlson says that the CIA is drawing a criminal referral of him to the Department of Justice. ... for sharing texts with Iran officials (in his interviews of them) before U.S.-Israeli attacks, which could lead to charges under the Foreign Agent Registration Act.

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Well I think the bigger thing is the claim that the people in the cia who were monitoring him work for Israel. I have no reason to believe this is or is not true.
 
you2 said:
Well I think the bigger thing is the claim that the people in the cia who were monitoring him work for Israel. I have no reason to believe this is or is not true.
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I believe Israel sees Tucker as the biggest threat to their future influence and relationship with the US. He has a huge following who believe in what he says. And Carlson is very upset with how Israel has been driving US foreign policy, its virtual control over congress and has been very vocal about it. Zios like Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro say he is the "most dangerous man" in America.

The CIA and Israel under the Trump admin seem at times to act as one. Ultimately your opinion vs mine. You seem to prefer the view that Israel has less of an influence in critical US intel circles than not. I dont.

The Gray Zone on CIA chief John Ratcliffe:

thegrayzone.com

Trump official to The Grayzone: CIA’s Ratcliffe acts as ‘Mossad stenographer’ on Iran - The Grayzone

A Trump official tells The Grayzone that Israel's Mossad is using CIA Director John Ratcliffe and US CENTCOM's Gen. Michael Kurilla to influence Trump with cooked intelligence on Iran's nuclear program. Inside the White House, dissenters have been isolated, setting the stage for a regime change...
thegrayzone.com thegrayzone.com

thegrayzone.com

AIPAC leader boasts of special ‘access’ to top Trump natsec officials in leaked audio - The Grayzone

During an off-the-record panel, AIPAC’s CEO detailed his organization's grooming of Trump’s top national security officials, and how his group's “access” ensures they continue to follow Israel’s agenda. https://youtu.be/pHo7hyEczg0 The Grayzone has obtained audio of an off-the-record session...
thegrayzone.com thegrayzone.com
 
amenx said:
I believe Israel sees Tucker as the biggest threat to their future influence and relationship with the US. He has a huge following who believe in what he says. And Carlson is very upset with how Israel has been driving US foreign policy, its virtual control over congress and has been very vocal about it. Zios like Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro say he is the "most dangerous man" in America.

The CIA and Israel under the Trump admin seem at times to act as one. Ultimately your opinion vs mine. You seem to prefer the view that Israel has less of an influence in critical US intel circles than not. I dont.

The Gray Zone on CIA chief John Ratcliffe:

thegrayzone.com

Trump official to The Grayzone: CIA’s Ratcliffe acts as ‘Mossad stenographer’ on Iran - The Grayzone

A Trump official tells The Grayzone that Israel's Mossad is using CIA Director John Ratcliffe and US CENTCOM's Gen. Michael Kurilla to influence Trump with cooked intelligence on Iran's nuclear program. Inside the White House, dissenters have been isolated, setting the stage for a regime change...
thegrayzone.com thegrayzone.com

thegrayzone.com

AIPAC leader boasts of special ‘access’ to top Trump natsec officials in leaked audio - The Grayzone

During an off-the-record panel, AIPAC’s CEO detailed his organization's grooming of Trump’s top national security officials, and how his group's “access” ensures they continue to follow Israel’s agenda. https://youtu.be/pHo7hyEczg0 The Grayzone has obtained audio of an off-the-record session...
thegrayzone.com thegrayzone.com
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Actually i simply said i do not know - not an opinion of yes or no - big difference then what you said. Mind you I'm sick of Israel behavior and think we should pull all support from them (we being usa but of course i would be fine with eu and others pulling support). If you are going to be the 10000lb bully in the region then you don't need assistance.
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However having said that i still don't know if there are Israeli operatives in the cia. I do know that stephen miller and kirchy both proclaims to be jewish and have Trump's ear.
 
you2 said:
However having said that i still don't know if there are Israeli operatives in the cia. I do know that stephen miller and kirchy both proclaims to be jewish and have Trump's ear.
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I think if you want to undercut Netanyahu's claim that Israel must exist as it currently does to protect Jewish people, it's important to not engage in casual antisemitism about people in the US and suggesting that their shitty motives derive from the fact that they are Jewish: it only serves to reinforces Netanyahu's claim.
 
Brainonska511 said:
I think if you want to undercut Netanyahu's claim that Israel must exist as it currently does to protect Jewish people, it's important to not engage in casual antisemitism about people in the US and suggesting that their shitty motives derive from the fact that they are Jewish: it only serves to reinforces Netanyahu's claim.
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I have no clue what you are claiming but it sounds like garbage. There is no doubt that miller is pro israel to an extreme and is fine with Israel committing suicide.

Claiming that Miller is radical Jew is NOT the same as saying he is radical because he is Jewish or that all Jewish people are radical.
 
you2 said:
I have no clue what you are claiming but it sounds like garbage. There is no doubt that miller is pro israel to an extreme and is fine with Israel committing suicide.

Claiming that Miller is radical Jew is NOT the same as saying he is radical because he is Jewish or that all Jewish people are radical.
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Lets play back the tape on what your wrote: "I do know that stephen miller and kirchy both proclaims to be jewish and have Trump's ear."

The way you wrote what you wrote implies they are bad people *because* they are Jewish, not bad people who *happen to be* Jewish. It is an important distinction, and the former feeds into casual antisemitism.
 
Brainonska511 said:
I think if you want to undercut Netanyahu's claim that Israel must exist as it currently does to protect Jewish people, it's important to not engage in casual antisemitism about people in the US and suggesting that their shitty motives derive from the fact that they are Jewish: it only serves to reinforces Netanyahu's claim.
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I think bibi has been using that claim in order to put people in camps they don’t really belong. It’s pretty obvious that anyone complaining about Israel the country and more specifically the government gets labeled antisemitic and he does that in order to silence opposition and decent. I think people need to stop helping him in that regards. I read the other posters post and given the context in which he was speaking, I didn’t see any implied hate.
 
ivwshane said:
I think bibi has been using that claim in order to put people in camps they don’t really belong. It’s pretty obvious that anyone complaining about Israel the country and more specifically the government gets labeled antisemitic and he does that in order to silence opposition and decent. I think people need to stop helping him in that regards. I read the other posters post and given the context in which he was speaking, I didn’t see any implied hate.
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Yes, Bibi is trying to conflate the two things. I think people, when they don't use their words right, contribute to it. The issue as I see it is that randomly pointing out someone being Jewish while talking about how they are a bad person seems like one of those things that helps Bibi overall. It's not necessarily implied hate.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Lets play back the tape on what your wrote: "I do know that stephen miller and kirchy both proclaims to be jewish and have Trump's ear."

The way you wrote what you wrote implies they are bad people *because* they are Jewish, not bad people who *happen to be* Jewish. It is an important distinction, and the former feeds into casual antisemitism.
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I get your point; the original way i phrase it could be abused. Having said that imho MIller is a radical jew and will no doubt suggest to Trump to do whatever Israel wants. Of course Miller is far worse as he does the same in the usa causing misery to untold 10's if not 100's of thousand of people.
 
nakedfrog said:
Fucking hellllll can someone please do something about this belligerent, foolish tyrant while we still can.
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If the problem was just a tyrant, Congress would have done their job and removed him.
The problem is an entire party. A movement. MAGA Nazis.

And like that Trump post suggests... any dissent, any political opposition, they want to dispose of it. They are working towards the killing or the oppressing anyone who is not one of them. In that way, their domestic policy matches their foreign policy.

And again, the Mad King isn't alone. He's just a prop for the real problem America faces. A Nazi movement.
 
Jaskalas said:
If the problem was just a tyrant, Congress would have done their job and removed him.
The problem is an entire party. A movement. MAGA Nazis.

And like that Trump post suggests... any dissent, any political opposition, they want to dispose of it. They are working towards the killing or the oppressing anyone who is not one of them. In that way, their domestic policy matches their foreign policy.

And again, the Mad King isn't alone. He's just a prop for the real problem America faces. A Nazi movement.
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I'm intensely aware of that, but I do still think it's a net win for humanity if his madness ends sooner rather than later, once the "personality" is gone the cult is going to be thrown into disarray while a new leader attempts to take the reigns.
 
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