Options for recovering data

[XavierMace]

People do it all the time. It's called the dealership.

Are you really that dense that you think the dealership is the same thing as the manufacturer?

 

[VirtualLarry]

So, you wouldn't mind, if HDDs cost $10,000, and weighed two tonnes, as long as they were repairable? Gotcha.

Edit: Also, HDDs need to be mfg in a Clean Room, whereas cars can be mfgs on a factory floor.

There's an order of magnitude (or more) difference in terms of the precision needed to mfg these things.

They're also mass-produced, in such qty, and in such a way, that they aren't designed to be individually-repairable.

Like it or not, that's the way they are.

Edit: Let me put it this way, there's a reason that car dealers won't infinitely re-surface rotors, such that you only need one set of rotors per vehicle.

 

[VirtualLarry]

That's ridiculous

We get it, Craig. You lost data, and you're emotionally-invested in the idea, that if only someone offered a HDD repair service, then you wouldn't have to admit to yourself that you made a mistake, by not backing up your important data in triplicate, like you're supposed to. If only there's an option to just spend money, to get your data back to where it should be, right?

Edit: These drives come with 2 years of data recovery included.
https://www.newegg.com/promotions/s....com/seagate/18-1542/1920x360.jpg&icid=459661

 

[esquared]

If posters don't want to help, don't post.

Please leave the insults out of the conversations.
Next ones will be infractions.


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Anandtech Forum Director

 

[Craig234]

So, you wouldn't mind, if HDDs cost $10,000, and weighed two tonnes, as long as they were repairable? Gotcha.

Edit: Also, HDDs need to be mfg in a Clean Room, whereas cars can be mfgs on a factory floor.

There's an order of magnitude (or more) difference in terms of the precision needed to mfg these things.

They're also mass-produced, in such qty, and in such a way, that they aren't designed to be individually-repairable.

Like it or not, that's the way they are.

Edit: Let me put it this way, there's a reason that car dealers won't infinitely re-surface rotors, such that you only need one set of rotors per vehicle.

So what you're saying is that the idea that there are different types of repairs - some practical and some not - is a problem?

All repairs are the same - spark plugs and a car that's been bombed - and you think any repairable drive would need to be 'two tons'. Incorrect IMO. Are they two tons for the third party repair?

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm just trying to point out, that HDD were themselves NOT componentized, and designed for repair. The PC was, and the HDD is considered a component of a PC.

For a car, it was designed to be repaired, by replacing components, such as spark plugs.

You wouldn't "repair" a spark plug, and solder new metal to the tip, you replace the whole thing. Same deal with a HDD.

If a HDD was designed for repair (I've seen a SysAdmin replace a disk drive stack head on an old VAX 11/780, it was neat), then those components would likely be larger, and more expensive (the disk stack on that mini-computer, took up the size of a large dishwasher, almost).

I'm happy that things turned out the way that they did, and they are mfged smaller, cheaper, and faster. Even if they did have to give up (easy) repairability.

 

[Craig234]

I'm just trying to point out, that HDD were themselves NOT componentized, and designed for repair. The PC was, and the HDD is considered a component of a PC.

For a car, it was designed to be repaired, by replacing components, such as spark plugs.

You wouldn't "repair" a spark plug, and solder new metal to the tip, you replace the whole thing. Same deal with a HDD.

If a HDD was designed for repair (I've seen a SysAdmin replace a disk drive stack head on an old VAX 11/780, it was neat), then those components would likely be larger, and more expensive (the disk stack on that mini-computer, took up the size of a large dishwasher, almost).

I'm happy that things turned out the way that they did, and they are mfged smaller, cheaper, and faster. Even if they did have to give up (easy) repairability.

That's a much more reasonable post. You make the case for non-repairable hard drives - largely correctly, but perhaps carrying it a bit too far, but much better than the earlier straw men about 'two ton hard drives'. I said I'm disappointed they don't offer repair, when it seems feasible - moreso than repairing a spark plug - but it's a compromise they chose for the reasons you mention.

 

[Ratman6161]

You could get an external USB to data adapter for just a few bucks.

https://www.amazon.com/UNITEK-Conve...r=8-7&keywords=usb+to+sata+adapter+with+power

Since the pc doesn't boot with the drive connects, this would let you plug the drive into a USB port after boot. You could see it this let you at least copy some of your data. If it doesn't work, the USB adapter comes in handy for a lot of different purposes so it won't go to waste. Make sure you get one with separate power since 3.5 inch drives can't get enough power from a USB port.

 

[VirtualLarry]

but much better than the earlier straw men about 'two ton hard drives'.

That wasn't a straw man; I didn't mean that literally. I was just continuing the analogy that you made between a HDD and a car. A car is repairable, but it's also (on average?) two tonnes. I was basically making the comment indirectly, that if you wanted a HDD that was (easily) repairable, that it would naturally be larger and heavier.

(just... to clear the air.)

I mean, for $60, maybe you should go with that service, and see what they say about the HDDs condition.

 

[Craig234]

You could get an external USB to data adapter for just a few bucks.

https://www.amazon.com/UNITEK-Conve...r=8-7&keywords=usb+to+sata+adapter+with+power

Since the pc doesn't boot with the drive connects, this would let you plug the drive into a USB port after boot. You could see it this let you at least copy some of your data. If it doesn't work, the USB adapter comes in handy for a lot of different purposes so it won't go to waste. Make sure you get one with separate power since 3.5 inch drives can't get enough power from a USB port.

Thanks for the suggestion. I doubt the drive is readable when it blocks booting, but who knows?

 

[mxnerd]

You don't need USB to SATA adapters. Just enable hotplug feature in motherboard BIOS for SATA ports.

Boot your PC, get into Windows then plug in SATA power & data cable and see if the drive can spin up and be detected.

Also check event viewer for errors.