Optimism Grows in Iraq

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y Richard Morin and Dan Balz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, June 28, 2005; Page A01

As President Bush prepares to address the nation about Iraq tonight, a new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that most Americans do not believe the administration's claims that impressive gains are being made against the insurgency, but a clear majority is willing to keep U.S. forces there for an extended time to stabilize the country.

The survey found that only one in eight Americans currently favors an immediate pullout of U.S. forces, while a solid majority continues to agree with Bush that the United States must remain in Iraq until civil order is restored -- a goal that most of those surveyed acknowledge is, at best, several years away.

Amid broad skepticism about Bush's credibility and whether the war was worth the cost, there were some encouraging signs for the president. A narrow majority -- 52 percent -- believes that the war has contributed to the long-term security of the United States, a five-point increase from earlier this month.

The findings crystallize the challenges facing Bush this evening in his nationally televised address from Fort Bragg, N.C., an event the administration sees as a critical opportunity for the president to restate the case for his Iraq policies. The goal is to reinvigorate public support for a war that has grown unpopular over time and convince Americans the administration has a policy that will lead to success over time.

So far, continuing spasms of violence in Iraq are competing with regular declarations of progress in Washington. Few people agree with Vice President Cheney's recent claim that the insurgency is in its "last throes." The survey found that 22 percent of Americans -- barely one in five -- say they believe that the insurgency is getting weaker, while 24 percent believe it is strengthening. More than half -- 53 percent -- say resistance to U.S. and Iraqi government forces has not changed, a view that matches the assessment offered last week in congressional testimony by the U.S. commander in Iraq, Gen. John P. Abizaid.

Views of the current status of the insurgency were deeply colored by partisanship. More than a third of all Republicans, 35 percent, agreed with the administration that the insurgents were growing weaker in Iraq, compared with 13 percent of all Democrats and 19 percent of all political independents.

By a narrow margin, the public continues to think the war has not been worth the cost and bigger majorities fear that Iraq has crippled the ability of the United States to respond to conflicts elsewhere in the world and has damaged efforts to recruit young people into the military. A large majority, about six in 10 people, say the United States is "bogged down" in Iraq.

Overwhelming majorities of Americans think the Bush administration and U.S. military leaders fundamentally underestimated the difficulty of the war and failed to anticipate the tenacity of the insurgency in Iraq.

Part of the administration's apparently growing credibility problem may be the result of recent disclosures about prewar planning, including what has come to be known as the Downing Street memo, reflecting notes of a July 2002 meeting with British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his top advisers. The memo said that the Bush administration had decided to go to war and that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

The administration has dismissed the conclusions of that memo, but the memo's wide circulation may have raised new doubts or reinforced old suspicions about Bush's motives for going to war. For the first time, a narrow majority -- 52 percent -- said the administration deliberately misled the public before the war, a nine-point increase in three months. Forty-eight percent said the administration told the public what it believed to be true at the time.

On a number of measures, public disapproval of Bush's policies has diminished slightly in the past month. Overall, however, Americans remain negative in most of their assessments about the cost of the war.

A majority -- 51 percent -- disapproves of the way Bush is handling his job as president, compared with 48 percent who approve, the same as a month ago. On Iraq, 56 percent disapprove of his handling of the situation vs. 43 percent who approve.

The survey found that opponents of Bush's policies feel more strongly about their views today than in the past, with four in 10 Americans saying they strongly disapprove of the job Bush is doing as president, the worst showing of his presidency. Just 27 percent strongly support him.

How Much Longer?
Despite public misgivings about elements of the policy, there remains an underlying reservoir of support for the war and continued unwillingness by the public to abandon Iraqis to their fate. Despite the almost daily suicide bombings and mounting casualty rates, a majority of Americans -- 53 percent -- now say they are optimistic about the situation in Iraq, up seven points from December.

The survey found the public sharply divided over another widely publicized administration claim. Speaking to an 80-nation conference on Iraq reconstruction in Brussels last week, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that victory over anti-government forces will be "a death knell for terrorism as we know it" elsewhere.

Fewer than half -- 46 percent -- of those interviewed agreed that defeating the insurgents in Iraq would do much to defeat terrorism elsewhere, while 53 percent said it would have, at best, only limited impact on the broader anti-terrorism campaign. On that question, partisan divisions were striking. Seven in 10 Republicans agreed with the essence of Rice's statement, while an equal proportion of Democrats disagreed.

Throughout the survey, public dismay over the situation in Iraq alternated with more hopeful views. By a narrow margin, the public believes the United States is not making sufficient progress toward civil order in Iraq, and even more Americans, about six in 10, doubt that country will have a stable, democratic government a year from now. On the other hand, six in 10 say the elections in Iraq earlier this year brought it closer to the day that U.S. forces can be withdrawn. And overwhelming majorities believe the Iraqi people are better off now because of the war and will be better off in the future as a result of the U.S. invasion.

There were other findings suggesting that negative views of the conflict are easing somewhat. Currently, 51 percent believe that the war has contributed to the long-term stability of the Middle East, up nine points from a year ago. And the proportion who said the conflict damagethe United States' image with the rest of the world fell to 67 percent, down nine points since last June.

A total of 1,004 randomly selected adults were interviewed by telephone June 23-26 for this survey. The margin of sampling error for the overall results is plus or minus three percentage points.





The only people who try to spread FUD about Iraq are the radical leftists who hate Bush so much they want our troops and our country to fail. Disgusting how these people politicize our troops deaths for their own liberal activists groups. Have they no shame? :|
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: zendari
The only people who try to spread FUD about Iraq are the radical leftists who hate Bush so much they want our troops and our country to fail. Disgusting how these people politicize our troops deaths for their own liberal activists groups. Have they no shame? :|

:roll:


 

conjur

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Originally posted by: zendari
The only people who try to spread FUD about Iraq are the radical leftists who hate Bush so much they want our troops and our country to fail. Disgusting how these people politicize our troops deaths for their own liberal activists groups. Have they no shame? :|
Sen. Biden is a radical leftist? Sen. Hagel is a radical leftist?

:cookie:
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: zendari
The only people who try to spread FUD about Iraq are the radical leftists who hate Bush so much they want our troops and our country to fail. Disgusting how these people politicize our troops deaths for their own liberal activists groups. Have they no shame? :|
Sen. Biden is a radical leftist? Sen. Hagel is a radical leftist?

:cookie:

George W Bush is a radial leftist?

:cookie:
 

umbrella39

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Looks like the resident teen is going to be busy eating cookies today. Make sure you leave a trail of crumbs so you can find your way back home from the recruiters office.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Looks like the resident teen is going to be busy eating cookies today. Make sure you leave a trail of crumbs so you can find your way back home from the recruiters office.

Bwaha.

:shocked:

More crumb material below, zendari. But you're so lost already, I have a feeling even GPS wouldn't help.

:cookie:
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Looks like the resident teen is going to be busy eating cookies today. Make sure you leave a trail of crumbs so you can find your way back home from the recruiters office.

Bwaha.

:shocked:

More crumb material below, zendari. But you're so lost already, I have a feeling even GPS wouldn't help.

:cookie:
I am curious. Are you a druggie, also, like your bud that you quoted? I mean that would explain a lot of things...
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Looks like the resident teen is going to be busy eating cookies today. Make sure you leave a trail of crumbs so you can find your way back home from the recruiters office.

Bwaha.

:shocked:

More crumb material below, zendari. But you're so lost already, I have a feeling even GPS wouldn't help.

:cookie:
I am curious. Are you a druggie, also, like your bud that you quoted? I mean that would explain a lot of things...

Zzzz. I just blew a hit out at your screen name. Hope you get high off the contact buzz. Might do you some good. Here is a jesus :cookie: with a little hash in it for when you are ready to come around.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Looks like the resident teen is going to be busy eating cookies today. Make sure you leave a trail of crumbs so you can find your way back home from the recruiters office.

Bwaha.

:shocked:

More crumb material below, zendari. But you're so lost already, I have a feeling even GPS wouldn't help.

:cookie:
I am curious. Are you a druggie, also, like your bud that you quoted? I mean that would explain a lot of things...

Zzzz. I just blew a hit out at your screen name. Hope you get high off the contact buzz. Might do you some good. Here is a jesus :cookie: with a little hash in it for when you are ready to come around.
I don't need a crutch, jesus or otherwise to be the man that I want to be....

 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Looks like the resident teen is going to be busy eating cookies today. Make sure you leave a trail of crumbs so you can find your way back home from the recruiters office.

Bwaha.

:shocked:

More crumb material below, zendari. But you're so lost already, I have a feeling even GPS wouldn't help.

:cookie:
I am curious. Are you a druggie, also, like your bud that you quoted? I mean that would explain a lot of things...

Zzzz. I just blew a hit out at your screen name. Hope you get high off the contact buzz. Might do you some good. Here is a jesus :cookie: with a little hash in it for when you are ready to come around.
I don't need a crutch, jesus or otherwise to be the man that I want to be....

LMAO. You need a crutch, jesus, and a set of stones to be the man you want to be. Let us know when that day arrives Nancy.

 

Ozoned

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BBond, How about putting all of your hatred aside for a few minutes and accepting a PM from me. I've an idea that I would like to bounce off of you. :)
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
BBond, How about putting all of your hatred aside for a few minutes and accepting a PM from me. I've an idea that I would like to bounce off of you. :)

Another idea about my extinction?

No thanks.
 

Ozoned

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Ozoned
BBond, How about putting all of your hatred aside for a few minutes and accepting a PM from me. I've an idea that I would like to bounce off of you. :)

Another idea about my extinction?

No thanks.
:confused: Well, no, not another idea about your extinction? But given your exact geographical location, you would be the forums foremost expert on the idea that I have.

Five minutes. What do you say?
 

catnap1972

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Looks like the resident teen is going to be busy eating cookies today. Make sure you leave a trail of crumbs so you can find your way back home from the recruiters office.

Bwaha.

:shocked:

More crumb material below, zendari. But you're so lost already, I have a feeling even GPS wouldn't help.

:cookie:
I am curious. Are you a druggie, also, like your bud that you quoted? I mean that would explain a lot of things...

Zzzz. I just blew a hit out at your screen name. Hope you get high off the contact buzz. Might do you some good. Here is a jesus :cookie: with a little hash in it for when you are ready to come around.
I don't need a crutch, jesus or otherwise to be the man that I want to be....

LMAO. You need a crutch, jesus, and a set of stones to be the man you want to be. Let us know when that day arrives Nancy.

He's holding out for the rapture to sweep all the "evil liberuls" away.
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Ozoned
BBond, How about putting all of your hatred aside for a few minutes and accepting a PM from me. I've an idea that I would like to bounce off of you. :)

Another idea about my extinction?

No thanks.
:confused: Well, no, not another idea about your extinction? But given your exact geographical location, you would be the forums foremost expert on the idea that I have.

Five minutes. What do you say?

I trust you about as far as I can throw you.

No thanks.
 

irwincur

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Pssst. That "fundy Islam" army wasn't well-armed until who armed them, using them as an ally? Do you need me to give you another hint?

America accounts for less than 1% of arms sales to the Middle East - and that INCLUDES our massive sales to Israel and Egypt.

Where is the rest coming from - you guessed it, France, Germany, Russia, and China.
 
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Originally posted by: irwincur
Pssst. That "fundy Islam" army wasn't well-armed until who armed them, using them as an ally? Do you need me to give you another hint?

America accounts for less than 1% of arms sales to the Middle East - and that INCLUDES our massive sales to Israel and Egypt.

Where is the rest coming from - you guessed it, France, Germany, Russia, and China.
Hmm. Now why does that group of countries sound so familiar? What is it they all have in common? ;)

 
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Originally posted by: conjur
Wow...look at all of this optimism!!

http://www.rawstory.com
Al Qaeda claims to kidnap Egypt envoy
Pakistan envoy withdrawn;
Russian envoy fired on;
Bahrain envoy attacked.
Insurgents changing gears yet again?

Apparently the "patriots" couldn't get any support by blowing up innocent Iraqis in the police and military, so now they have to switch to targeting...innocent foreign government officials.

Yessiree. That's sure going to do a lot to gain support for them around the world and clearly demostrates they are all about getting Coalition troops out of Iraq.
 

conjur

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The resistance doesn't have to follow by any rules. Who ever said they did? Does anyone support what they are doing? Perhaps a fringe element and the die-hard Ba'athists who don't want to give up the power they held for decades.

Doesn't change the fact that Iraq is a freakin' mess. Hundreds....HUNDREDS are being killed in attacks every month. And those are just the ones that are known.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
The resistance doesn't have to follow by any rules. Who ever said they did? Does anyone support what they are doing? Perhaps a fringe element and the die-hard Ba'athists who don't want to give up the power they held for decades.
Au contrair. They do have rules to follow, just not official rules. They require support from the public because without sympathizers they will become nothing. They know that rule. Apparently they aren't following those rules and are unmasking themselves as little more than the power hungry toadies that I've been claiming they were all along, and not the patriots and/or revolutionaries that some portray them as.

Doesn't change the fact that Iraq is a freakin' mess. Hundreds....HUNDREDS are being killed in attacks every month. And those are just the ones that are known.
If you want to use death as your sole benchmark of what's a mess and what's not, to the exclusion of all else, I guess you can claim that. imo, it's a myopic viewpoint.

Since it's such a mess, in your opinion, how many Iraqis do you think would be willing to trade the days of Saddam for today? Would there be any significant percentage?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
The resistance doesn't have to follow by any rules. Who ever said they did? Does anyone support what they are doing? Perhaps a fringe element and the die-hard Ba'athists who don't want to give up the power they held for decades.
Au contrair. They do have rules to follow, just not official rules. They require support from the public because without sympathizers they will become nothing. They know that rule. Apparently they aren't following those rules and are unmasking themselves as little more than the power hungry toadies that I've been claiming they were all along, and not the patriots and/or revolutionaries that some portray them as.
They have plenty of support. That's why they don't follow rules. They don't need support from the public, they are getting it from al Qaeda and al Qaeda sympathizers from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iran, Syria, Egypt, etc.

Doesn't change the fact that Iraq is a freakin' mess. Hundreds....HUNDREDS are being killed in attacks every month. And those are just the ones that are known.
If you want to use death as your sole benchmark of what's a mess and what's not, to the exclusion of all else, I guess you can claim that. imo, it's a myopic viewpoint.
That massive death rate means reconstruction cannot take off in earnest. The security situation is too frail. There have been hundreds and hundreds of attacks on the oil infrastructure. Legislators are being abducted and killed. Policemen and police chiefs are being abducted and killed. University professors are being abducted and killed. Students are being abducted and held for ransom. Women in some areas (many?) are being forced to wear, at the least, a hajib and in other cases a burqa. What progress!!

Since it's such a mess, in your opinion, how many Iraqis do you think would be willing to trade the days of Saddam for today? Would there be any significant percentage?
I think there would be. I think it would be in the double-digits.