Optimism Grows in Iraq

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Originally posted by: conjur
It doesn't really matter if Saddam had connections with Al-Qaeda prior to 2003 or not and it does not matter if he had the ability to attack the west with WMDs or not.
What really matters here is how to protect the world from terrorism.
Al-Qaeda is present and active in Iraq today; we all know this and this terror group's lethal power cannot and must not be underestimated.
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.

So, forget the WMDs (which were the sole justification for invading Iraq). Forget the revamped justification of "liberation". Now it's fighting the terrorists in Iraq. Nevermind the fact that these terrorists flocked to Iraq *because* of the invasion. So, create the justification for the invasion *after* the invasion.
Obviously, Iraqis are not doting on a past that cannot be changed, and are trying to look forward (Which is the gist of his comment and seems to have, unsurprisingly, passed you right by) unlike a certain group of people here in the US.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
It doesn't really matter if Saddam had connections with Al-Qaeda prior to 2003 or not and it does not matter if he had the ability to attack the west with WMDs or not.
What really matters here is how to protect the world from terrorism.
Al-Qaeda is present and active in Iraq today; we all know this and this terror group's lethal power cannot and must not be underestimated.
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.

So, forget the WMDs (which were the sole justification for invading Iraq). Forget the revamped justification of "liberation". Now it's fighting the terrorists in Iraq. Nevermind the fact that these terrorists flocked to Iraq *because* of the invasion. So, create the justification for the invasion *after* the invasion.
Obviously, Iraqis are not doting on a past that cannot be changed, and are trying to look forward (Which is the gist of his comment and seems to have, unsurprisingly, passed you right by) unlike a certain group of people here in the US.

The only thing to look forward to in Iraq is getting out of that money pit of a sh!thole that accomplished nothing except to creat thousands of NEW terrorists.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
It doesn't really matter if Saddam had connections with Al-Qaeda prior to 2003 or not and it does not matter if he had the ability to attack the west with WMDs or not.
What really matters here is how to protect the world from terrorism.
Al-Qaeda is present and active in Iraq today; we all know this and this terror group's lethal power cannot and must not be underestimated.
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.

So, forget the WMDs (which were the sole justification for invading Iraq). Forget the revamped justification of "liberation". Now it's fighting the terrorists in Iraq. Nevermind the fact that these terrorists flocked to Iraq *because* of the invasion. So, create the justification for the invasion *after* the invasion.
Obviously, Iraqis are not doting on a past that cannot be changed, and are trying to look forward (Which is the gist of his comment and seems to have, unsurprisingly, passed you right by) unlike a certain group of people here in the US.
Whatever optimism exists in Iraq exists in spite of the U.S. presence, not because of it. A regime of fear cannot last forever and Saddam would have eventually been taken out via internal means. All we had to do was keep him contained. And, even Gen. Zinni said containment was working. Saddam was certainly no threat. If he was, where are the WMDs?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Obviously, Iraqis are not doting on a past that cannot be changed, and are trying to look forward ...
Yes some of them are taking a pro active approach. Unfortunately those that are doing that are shooting at our troops.

I'm still wondering where are the Pro Democracy Militias that should be fighting the Insurgents on their own without guidance from the US. The Shia's have large militias but so far they have only been shooting at Americans, not Foreign Fighters or Pro Baath Militias. If the majority of Iraqis are so Pro American why are they letting themselves be slaughtered on a daily basis? I know if that kind of crap was happening in the US a lot of Americans would take up arms on their own and go after those who a perpetrating such heinous acts and the Iraqis have access to much more effective weaponry than Americans do.
 

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Iraqis have access to much more effective weaponry than Americans do.

No they don't. They don't have WMD's! :laugh:

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Iraqis have access to much more effective weaponry than Americans do.

No they don't. They don't have WMD's! :laugh:
Snide comments aside, the country of Iraq is flooded with automatic weaponry.
 

conjur

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yeah...women in Iraq, like those in Basra which is effectively under Taliban rule, just love Iraq right now. They just love having acid thrown on them:


IRAQ: Acid attacks on "immodest" women on the rise
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdes...N/8a93a9929db09e4e7c5580a543e7e779.htm
According to local police, dozens of women have had parts of their bodies burned by religious conservatives in a string of incidents throughout the capital in recent weeks. Maj Abbas Dilemi, a senior police investigator in Baghdad, said that most of the acid attacks had occurred in the Mansour and Kadhmyia districts of the city.

"Our sources have found that many children are being used to conduct such violence. The one adult we have arrested for this crime cannot accept Iraqi women wearing Western clothes and walking without veils, alleging that it's a prohibition by God," Dilemi said.

During Saddam Hussein's regime, Iraqi women were more or less free to wear what they wanted. In the 1980s Iraq was considered one of the most Western countries in the region in terms of fashion.

The current attacks and intimidation are not confined to the capital. In the western province of Anbar, female residents have received warnings not to go out without their veils and abayas since April 2004. Five women were reported killed in the province for not following the orders of religious radicals since the war the led to Hussein's downfall ended in May 2003.

"Our country is a Muslim country and women should respect this by wearing veils and long cloaks. I'm against the use of acid against them but something should be done to force them into wearing the clothes," Sheik Hussein Abbas, a radical Shi'ite leader in the capital, said.

Despite the attacks, many women are refusing to bow to the will of religious extremists.

"I won't force myself to use something that I don't feel comfortable with. Women in Iraq are losing their place in society and we have to fight that and determine who we are and how we should dress, despite these dangers," Hiba Zuheir, 24, a resident of Mansour district, said.
Good for them they are standing up for their freedom but at what cost?

They can thank the great Propagandist for their lack of safety.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Iraqis have access to much more effective weaponry than Americans do.

No they don't. They don't have WMD's! :laugh:
Snide comments aside, the country of Iraq is flooded with automatic weaponry.

I know. Just couldn't resist! ;)

 
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Obviously, Iraqis are not doting on a past that cannot be changed, and are trying to look forward ...
Yes some of them are taking a pro active approach. Unfortunately those that are doing that are shooting at our troops.
Fortunately, many others are participating in the Iraqi government. Th insurgents, if they were actually patriots, would be involved in the politics of Iraq to affect change instead of blowing innocent people up.

I'm still wondering where are the Pro Democracy Militias that should be fighting the Insurgents on their own without guidance from the US. The Shia's have large militias but so far they have only been shooting at Americans, not Foreign Fighters or Pro Baath Militias. If the majority of Iraqis are so Pro American why are they letting themselves be slaughtered on a daily basis? I know if that kind of crap was happening in the US a lot of Americans would take up arms on their own and go after those who a perpetrating such heinous acts and the Iraqis have access to much more effective weaponry than Americans do.
Ask and ye shall receive:

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/04/wirq04.xml

US delight as Iraqi rebels turn their guns on al-Qa'eda
By Oliver Poole in Qaim
(Filed: 04/07/2005)

American troops on the Syrian border are enjoying a battle they have long waited to see - a clash between foreign al-Qa'eda fighters and Iraqi insurgents.

Tribal leaders in Husaybah are attacking followers of Abu Musab Zarqawi, the Jordanian-born terrorist who established the town as an entry point for al-Qa'eda jihadists being smuggled into the country.

The reason, the US military believes, is frustration at the heavy-handed approach of the foreigners, who have kidnapped and assassinated local leaders and imposed a strict Islamic code.

Fighting, which could be clearly heard at night over the weekend, first broke out in May when as many as 50 mortar rounds were fired across the city. But, to the surprise of the American garrison, this time it was not the target.

If a shell landed near the US base, "they'd adjust their fire and not shoot at us", Lt Col Tim Mundy said. "They shot at each other."

The trigger was the assassination of a tribal sheikh, from the Sulaiman tribe, ordered by Zarqawi for inviting senior US marines for lunch. American troops gained an insight into the measures the jihadists had imposed during recent house-to-house searches in nearby towns and villages.



Shops selling music and satellite dishes had been closed. Women were ordered to wear all-enveloping clothing and men forbidden from wearing western clothes.

Anyone considered to be aiding coalition forces was being killed or kidnapped. That included those with links to the government - seen as a US puppet - such as water or electricity officials. As a result local services had collapsed.

Captain Thomas Sibley, intelligence officer of 3rd battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, based in Qaim, said: "People here were committed supporters of the insurgency but you cannot now even get a marriage licence.

"The tribes are the only system or organisation left and they appear to have stepped in.

"In the last week our camp in the town was attacked and the attackers got ambushed on the way back by two machineguns and mortar fire. That is good news for us."

Baghdad recently warned that Iraqi insurgents, many of them nationalists rather than Islamists, and al-Qa'eda cells were working more closely together than in the past. That was brought into doubt when the bodies of three foreigners, believed to be insurgents, were discovered in Ramadi, apparently killed by Iraqis.

But the extent of the jihadist presence in Hasaybah - and therefore the subsequent tension - is unique.

Foreign fighters first started to arrive two years ago after Zarqawi bought properties to use as safe houses for arrivals before they could be funnelled east towards Baghdad and other major cities.

The police fled in November. In mid-June, al-Qa'eda units took over key buildings, including mosques and government offices. "Al-Qa'eda in Iraq" flags were raised.

The city, 240 miles north-west of Baghdad and adjacent to the insurgent centre of Qaim, is so dangerous that soldiers in the US base sleep in bunkers because of mortar and rocket attacks.

Following al-Qa'eda's seizure of the main buildings a number of residents fled. Arkan Salim, 56, who left with his wife and four children, said: "We thought they were patriotic. Now we discovered that they are sick and crazy.

"They interfered in everything, even how we raise our children. They turned the city into hell, and we cannot live in it anymore."
Of course, our own non-liberal press somehow neglects to make mention of little tidbits of interest like the above.


 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Obviously, Iraqis are not doting on a past that cannot be changed, and are trying to look forward ...
Yes some of them are taking a pro active approach. Unfortunately those that are doing that are shooting at our troops.
Fortunately, many others are participating in the Iraqi government. Th insurgents, if they were actually patriots, would be involved in the politics of Iraq to affect change instead of blowing innocent people up.

I'm still wondering where are the Pro Democracy Militias that should be fighting the Insurgents on their own without guidance from the US. The Shia's have large militias but so far they have only been shooting at Americans, not Foreign Fighters or Pro Baath Militias. If the majority of Iraqis are so Pro American why are they letting themselves be slaughtered on a daily basis? I know if that kind of crap was happening in the US a lot of Americans would take up arms on their own and go after those who a perpetrating such heinous acts and the Iraqis have access to much more effective weaponry than Americans do.
Ask and ye shall receive:

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/07/04/wirq04.xml

US delight as Iraqi rebels turn their guns on al-Qa'eda
By Oliver Poole in Qaim
(Filed: 04/07/2005)

American troops on the Syrian border are enjoying a battle they have long waited to see - a clash between foreign al-Qa'eda fighters and Iraqi insurgents.

Tribal leaders in Husaybah are attacking followers of Abu Musab Zarqawi, the Jordanian-born terrorist who established the town as an entry point for al-Qa'eda jihadists being smuggled into the country.

The reason, the US military believes, is frustration at the heavy-handed approach of the foreigners, who have kidnapped and assassinated local leaders and imposed a strict Islamic code.

Fighting, which could be clearly heard at night over the weekend, first broke out in May when as many as 50 mortar rounds were fired across the city. But, to the surprise of the American garrison, this time it was not the target.

If a shell landed near the US base, "they'd adjust their fire and not shoot at us", Lt Col Tim Mundy said. "They shot at each other."

The trigger was the assassination of a tribal sheikh, from the Sulaiman tribe, ordered by Zarqawi for inviting senior US marines for lunch. American troops gained an insight into the measures the jihadists had imposed during recent house-to-house searches in nearby towns and villages.



Shops selling music and satellite dishes had been closed. Women were ordered to wear all-enveloping clothing and men forbidden from wearing western clothes.

Anyone considered to be aiding coalition forces was being killed or kidnapped. That included those with links to the government - seen as a US puppet - such as water or electricity officials. As a result local services had collapsed.

Captain Thomas Sibley, intelligence officer of 3rd battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment, based in Qaim, said: "People here were committed supporters of the insurgency but you cannot now even get a marriage licence.

"The tribes are the only system or organisation left and they appear to have stepped in.

"In the last week our camp in the town was attacked and the attackers got ambushed on the way back by two machineguns and mortar fire. That is good news for us."

Baghdad recently warned that Iraqi insurgents, many of them nationalists rather than Islamists, and al-Qa'eda cells were working more closely together than in the past. That was brought into doubt when the bodies of three foreigners, believed to be insurgents, were discovered in Ramadi, apparently killed by Iraqis.

But the extent of the jihadist presence in Hasaybah - and therefore the subsequent tension - is unique.

Foreign fighters first started to arrive two years ago after Zarqawi bought properties to use as safe houses for arrivals before they could be funnelled east towards Baghdad and other major cities.

The police fled in November. In mid-June, al-Qa'eda units took over key buildings, including mosques and government offices. "Al-Qa'eda in Iraq" flags were raised.

The city, 240 miles north-west of Baghdad and adjacent to the insurgent centre of Qaim, is so dangerous that soldiers in the US base sleep in bunkers because of mortar and rocket attacks.

Following al-Qa'eda's seizure of the main buildings a number of residents fled. Arkan Salim, 56, who left with his wife and four children, said: "We thought they were patriotic. Now we discovered that they are sick and crazy.

"They interfered in everything, even how we raise our children. They turned the city into hell, and we cannot live in it anymore."
Of course, our own non-liberal press somehow neglects to make mention of little tidbits of interest like the above.
Too bad it isn't wide spread.

 

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Recent polling data shows that fully two-thirds of Iraqis believe their country is headed in the right direction, Saboon said. While a poll in January showed only 11 percent of Sunni Muslims in Iraq shared that view, that percentage has since grown to 40, he said...

Saboon told the group that Iraqi security forces now have the confidence of 83 percent of Iraq's population, that 70 percent are confident in the transitional Iraqi government, and that 73 percent believe the government is representative of the Iraqi population.

Link

Based on the unending stream of anti-Iraq, anti-America, and anti-US Military threads posted by the libbies, who would have guessed that that Iraqi citizens are so optimitistic about the future!

Yeah, look at all the optimism half a trillion dollars can buy! :thumbsup:
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Engineer
When can we leave?

Rumsfield share your optimism since he now says it may be 12 years before the insurgency is defeated?

Iraq was a lie of a sh!thole war. You can make it what you want but it was a lie.

You all should sign up and fight for your fearless liar! :|

P.S. You can stick your anti-American and Anti-Military Sh!t up your @ss. Just because I, and 70% of the American poplulation now, think that the war wasn't worth fighting doesn't make "US" anti-American. You're so American, what are you doing for your part, eh? NOTHING!!!

Paying for it. Not every citizen can be a goddamn soldier. If everyone who supported the war became a soldier we'd have 50 million plus soldiers. Now go away with your, yes, ANTI-AMERICAN blather and come back when u realize Iraq will be better off without Saddam (basically, I'm telling you to never come back :p).

I'm not joking nutz. I'm fscking sick and tired of you @sswipes telling me that I'm anti-American and anti-Military when I'm against the war in Iraq. I guess 70% of the US population is now Anti-American? You can, as I told Rip, cram it up your butt too. Get ouf of Mommy and Daddy's house and do something for your fearless liar too! :|

I don't give 2 poops whether Iraq is or isn't better without Saddam. That's not the big WMD lie that we went there for. :|

You would rather send money to Iraq than to our own citiziens in the form of SS? Or Medicaid? So you would rather help Iraq out of the Saddam era than help folks in our own yard? You anti-American? *Pfffffttttttttt*


The problem is no one before thought that saddam did not have weapons. The fact that you want to call it a lie, make you lean in the anti-american direction. Also a majority of American beleive that we should finish the job in the Iraq as well. That is not something you beleive we should do however.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Engineer
When can we leave?

Rumsfield share your optimism since he now says it may be 12 years before the insurgency is defeated?

Iraq was a lie of a sh!thole war. You can make it what you want but it was a lie.

You all should sign up and fight for your fearless liar! :|

P.S. You can stick your anti-American and Anti-Military Sh!t up your @ss. Just because I, and 70% of the American poplulation now, think that the war wasn't worth fighting doesn't make "US" anti-American. You're so American, what are you doing for your part, eh? NOTHING!!!

Paying for it. Not every citizen can be a goddamn soldier. If everyone who supported the war became a soldier we'd have 50 million plus soldiers. Now go away with your, yes, ANTI-AMERICAN blather and come back when u realize Iraq will be better off without Saddam (basically, I'm telling you to never come back :p).

I'm not joking nutz. I'm fscking sick and tired of you @sswipes telling me that I'm anti-American and anti-Military when I'm against the war in Iraq. I guess 70% of the US population is now Anti-American? You can, as I told Rip, cram it up your butt too. Get ouf of Mommy and Daddy's house and do something for your fearless liar too! :|

I don't give 2 poops whether Iraq is or isn't better without Saddam. That's not the big WMD lie that we went there for. :|

You would rather send money to Iraq than to our own citiziens in the form of SS? Or Medicaid? So you would rather help Iraq out of the Saddam era than help folks in our own yard? You anti-American? *Pfffffttttttttt*


The problem is no one before thought that saddam did not have weapons. The fact that you want to call it a lie, make you lean in the anti-american direction. Also a majority of American beleive that we should finish the job in the Iraq as well. That is not something you beleive we should do however.

Ah, so I'm anti-American because I call the war for what many now see it? I guess the majority of Americans are now anti-American in your eyes too (since the huge majority doesn't think it was worth fighting and 50% now think that it was cooked up by Bush and company). Hmmm...k.

It's a slight majority 56% that think that we should finish it. Oh, and I know full well that we're fvcked either way if we stay or go. It was a no win situation from the beginning. We can't pull out....and we can't win. 12 years now from Rumsfield? What happened to the original estimates that we would be welcomed with open arms and then be pulling our troops out by September 2003?

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: charrison
Also a majority of American beleive that we should finish the job in the Iraq as well.
Yep it seems like we have quite a mess on our hands of our own doing. The longer it takes the more pissed Americans are going to get about it.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Also a majority of American beleive that we should finish the job in the Iraq as well.
Yep it seems like we have quite a mess on our hands of our own doing. The longer it takes the more pissed Americans are going to get about it.

Shows in the poll trends.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I, like most Americans, really don't give a flying fsck about the Iraqis one way of the other. Sure we are glad Hussein is gone but many of us believe that the price paid is much to high. The only reason a lot of us initially supported the Dubs excellent adventure in Iraq is because we were convinced by this administration that Hussein had vast stockpiles of WMDs and that they were a threat to our own national security. I can guarantee you that if we had known it was complete buillsh!t the Dub would never had gotten the support he needed for his ill conceived and ill advised war.
Now, I know that RD isn't an "evil libbie," however he managed to sum up the liberal PoV quite nicely in the above statement. I personally resent Rip's deplorable characterization that somehow liberals are anti-American merely for disagreeing with the war.

Disgusting and deplorable. :|
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Engineer
When can we leave?

Rumsfield share your optimism since he now says it may be 12 years before the insurgency is defeated?

Iraq was a lie of a sh!thole war. You can make it what you want but it was a lie.

You all should sign up and fight for your fearless liar! :|

P.S. You can stick your anti-American and Anti-Military Sh!t up your @ss. Just because I, and 70% of the American poplulation now, think that the war wasn't worth fighting doesn't make "US" anti-American. You're so American, what are you doing for your part, eh? NOTHING!!!

Paying for it. Not every citizen can be a goddamn soldier. If everyone who supported the war became a soldier we'd have 50 million plus soldiers. Now go away with your, yes, ANTI-AMERICAN blather and come back when u realize Iraq will be better off without Saddam (basically, I'm telling you to never come back :p).

I'm not joking nutz. I'm fscking sick and tired of you @sswipes telling me that I'm anti-American and anti-Military when I'm against the war in Iraq. I guess 70% of the US population is now Anti-American? You can, as I told Rip, cram it up your butt too. Get ouf of Mommy and Daddy's house and do something for your fearless liar too! :|

I don't give 2 poops whether Iraq is or isn't better without Saddam. That's not the big WMD lie that we went there for. :|

You would rather send money to Iraq than to our own citiziens in the form of SS? Or Medicaid? So you would rather help Iraq out of the Saddam era than help folks in our own yard? You anti-American? *Pfffffttttttttt*


The problem is no one before thought that saddam did not have weapons. The fact that you want to call it a lie, make you lean in the anti-american direction. Also a majority of American beleive that we should finish the job in the Iraq as well. That is not something you beleive we should do however.

Ah, so I'm anti-American because I call the war for what many now see it? I guess the majority of Americans are now anti-American in your eyes too (since the huge majority doesn't think it was worth fighting and 50% now think that it was cooked up by Bush and company). Hmmm...k.

It's a slight majority 56% that think that we should finish it. Oh, and I know full well that we're fvcked either way if we stay or go. It was a no win situation from the beginning. We can't pull out....and we can't win. 12 years now from Rumsfield? What happened to the original estimates that we would be welcomed with open arms and then be pulling our troops out by September 2003?


There still was no lie over WMD. There is a very large difference between a mistake and a lie. Actually the latest polls have those that think we should finish job at around 75%, far from the 55% you are claiming.

Yes the original estimates were wrong on the time frame to get out, but that still does not make it a lie. Most of the people in iraq do not support the insugency, so they were not all wrong..


 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Also a majority of American beleive that we should finish the job in the Iraq as well.
Yep it seems like we have quite a mess on our hands of our own doing. The longer it takes the more pissed Americans are going to get about it.

Shows in the poll trends.



THe trends show that a large majority wants us to finish the job in iraq.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Also a majority of American beleive that we should finish the job in the Iraq as well.
Yep it seems like we have quite a mess on our hands of our own doing. The longer it takes the more pissed Americans are going to get about it.

Shows in the poll trends.



THe trends show that a large majority wants us to finish the job in iraq.

We don't have a choice now. Stuck in that hellhole for years or decades to come. *blah*

Borrow a few extra billion each day to play in Iraq. Didn't help us one damn bit.

 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Also a majority of American beleive that we should finish the job in the Iraq as well.
Yep it seems like we have quite a mess on our hands of our own doing. The longer it takes the more pissed Americans are going to get about it.

Shows in the poll trends.



THe trends show that a large majority wants us to finish the job in iraq.

We don't have a choice now. Stuck in that hellhole for years or decades to come. *blah*

Borrow a few extra billion each day to play in Iraq. Didn't help us one damn bit.

On that we will have to disagree. If we are successful in Iraq andafghanistan, the middle east is going to be a much nicer place. But I guess we are going to have to disagree there.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Also a majority of American beleive that we should finish the job in the Iraq as well.
Yep it seems like we have quite a mess on our hands of our own doing. The longer it takes the more pissed Americans are going to get about it.

Shows in the poll trends.



THe trends show that a large majority wants us to finish the job in iraq.

We don't have a choice now. Stuck in that hellhole for years or decades to come. *blah*

Borrow a few extra billion each day to play in Iraq. Didn't help us one damn bit.

On that we will have to disagree. If we are successful in Iraq andafghanistan, the middle east is going to be a much nicer place. But I guess we are going to have to disagree there.

Hasn't happened in thousands of years. I don't think it's going to happen on this note. The ends didn't justify the means. IMO.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Also a majority of American beleive that we should finish the job in the Iraq as well.
Yep it seems like we have quite a mess on our hands of our own doing. The longer it takes the more pissed Americans are going to get about it.

Shows in the poll trends.



THe trends show that a large majority wants us to finish the job in iraq.

We don't have a choice now. Stuck in that hellhole for years or decades to come. *blah*

Borrow a few extra billion each day to play in Iraq. Didn't help us one damn bit.

On that we will have to disagree. If we are successful in Iraq andafghanistan, the middle east is going to be a much nicer place. But I guess we are going to have to disagree there.

Hasn't happened in thousands of years. I don't think it's going to happen on this note. The ends didn't justify the means. IMO.

I find their lack of historical perspective... disturbing.
 

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This is what I think of Bush's speech and his POS worshippers like RIP...

George W Bush, wrapping himself in the Flag, nailing himself to the Cross, and all the while still shamelessly pimping 9/11

As he spouts the same pack of goddam lies that led to our soldiers and Iraqi civilians being sent throught the meat grinder while Bush and his pals make billions from their traitorous war profiteering.

What a disgrace. And that goes double for you, RIP, because it's people like you who enable these bastards to accomplish their "goals".

 
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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: charrison
Also a majority of American beleive that we should finish the job in the Iraq as well.
Yep it seems like we have quite a mess on our hands of our own doing. The longer it takes the more pissed Americans are going to get about it.

Shows in the poll trends.



THe trends show that a large majority wants us to finish the job in iraq.

We don't have a choice now. Stuck in that hellhole for years or decades to come. *blah*

Borrow a few extra billion each day to play in Iraq. Didn't help us one damn bit.

On that we will have to disagree. If we are successful in Iraq andafghanistan, the middle east is going to be a much nicer place. But I guess we are going to have to disagree there.

Hasn't happened in thousands of years. I don't think it's going to happen on this note. The ends didn't justify the means. IMO.

I find their lack of historical perspective... disturbing.
Yes, historical perspectives can be used for both sides, like the left ignoring the growing and expanding threat of fundy Islam (and sometimes apologizing for it or rationalizing it, but mostly turning a blind eye to it). Much like the US ignored the growing Nazi and fascist threat until it was almost too late.

I find that lack of historical perspective disturbing...to say the least.