Optimism Grows in Iraq

Riprorin

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Recent polling data shows that fully two-thirds of Iraqis believe their country is headed in the right direction, Saboon said. While a poll in January showed only 11 percent of Sunni Muslims in Iraq shared that view, that percentage has since grown to 40, he said...

Saboon told the group that Iraqi security forces now have the confidence of 83 percent of Iraq's population, that 70 percent are confident in the transitional Iraqi government, and that 73 percent believe the government is representative of the Iraqi population.

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Based on the unending stream of anti-Iraq, anti-America, and anti-US Military threads posted by the libbies, who would have guessed that that Iraqi citizens are so optimitistic about the future!

 

Engineer

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When can we leave?

Rumsfield share your optimism since he now says it may be 12 years before the insurgency is defeated?

Iraq was a lie of a sh!thole war. You can make it what you want but it was a lie.

You all should sign up and fight for your fearless liar! :|

P.S. You can stick your anti-American and Anti-Military Sh!t up your @ss. Just because I, and 70% of the American poplulation now, think that the war wasn't worth fighting doesn't make "US" anti-American. You're so American, what are you doing for your part, eh? NOTHING!!!
 

Riprorin

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I'm providing a rational counterbalance to the propaganda you and your buddies spew here.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm providing a rational counterbalance to the propaganda you and your buddies spew here.

Calling me Anti-American or Anti-Military is rational?

:cookie: for you and your entire kind!!! :|

Loser!

P.S. Nobody, and I mean nobody, spews more sh!t on these boards than you do and WE ALL KNOW IT!
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm providing a rational counterbalance to the propaganda you and your buddies spew here.

Calling me Anti-American or Anti-Military is rational?

:cookie: for you and your entire kind!!! :|

Loser!

P.S. Nobody, and I mean nobody, spews more sh!t on these boards than you do and WE ALL KNOW IT!

According to BBond: "The implication here is that the U.S. military is conducting sweeps in the "restive" Anbar Province wherein innocent civilians are being brutalized and murdered in the name of WMD, freedom, democracy, and oil."

I didn't see any libbies disagreeing with this statement. How about you?

Or do you agree that the US Military is brutalizing and murdering innocent Iraqi citizens?

 

Tab

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm providing a rational counterbalance to the propaganda you and your buddies spew here.

Calling me Anti-American or Anti-Military is rational?

:cookie: for you and your entire kind!!! :|

Loser!

P.S. Nobody, and I mean nobody, spews more sh!t on these boards than you do and WE ALL KNOW IT!

According to BBond: "The implication here is that the U.S. military is conducting sweeps in the "restive" Anbar Province wherein innocent civilians are being brutalized and murdered in the name of WMD, freedom, democracy, and oil."

I didn't see any libbies disagreeing with this statement. How about you?

Or do you agree that the US Military is brutalizing and murdering innocent Iraqi citizens?

Which "libbies" are agreeing with it?
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Riprorin
I'm providing a rational counterbalance to the propaganda you and your buddies spew here.

Calling me Anti-American or Anti-Military is rational?

:cookie: for you and your entire kind!!! :|

Loser!

P.S. Nobody, and I mean nobody, spews more sh!t on these boards than you do and WE ALL KNOW IT!

According to BBond: "The implication here is that the U.S. military is conducting sweeps in the "restive" Anbar Province wherein innocent civilians are being brutalized and murdered in the name of WMD, freedom, democracy, and oil."

I didn't see any libbies disagreeing with this statement. How about you?

Or do you agree that the US Military is brutalizing and murdering innocent Iraqi citizens?


I don't know. There might be a "few" military doing that but I would dare say for the most part that a huge majority is doing their job and doing it honorably, even if in a not so honorable war.

So because I (we) didn't jump into that thread and go against it, then we are anti-American?

I bleed USA just as much as anyone especially when it comes to keeping our people employed (I hate shipping jobs out of the country regardless of profits). I work my tail off keeping jobs in the country. You have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT TO CALL ME ANTI-AMERICAN because of your bushsh!t propaganda. NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER!!! :|

So you complaining about spending money for Public education in the US and NOT complaining about the $300 billion on Bush's lie of a war make you Anti-American? According to your analogy, it DOES! :roll:

Here, have another :cookie: for your collection. Now if only the Mods would give us the MILK icon!
 

conjur

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BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

A "poll" referred to by someone drumming up support to enter Iraq by other nations and offering no details behind this poll? And this guy is a Sunni and is the head of the Iraqi NSA?

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!


Yeah...there's a lot of credibility there. There's no reference to any details of this poll anywhere and the only place this guy's name shows up in a Google search is at the defenselink site and other forums pointing to that site.



Here are some more realistic viewpoints:

http://www.juancole.com/2005/06/arguing-with-bush-bushs-speech.html
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=4027
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2005_...ndblog_archive.html#112017374927547660
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Based on the unending stream of anti-Iraq, anti-America, and anti-US Military threads posted by the libbies, who would have guessed that that Iraqi citizens are so optimitistic about the future!

:cookie: for the false patriotic zealot. It taste like Jesus, I promise.

 

Rainsford

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I realize it would be easy (and tempting) to stoop to the same level as Rip and simply spew childish name calling back at him. He makes himself so open, he might as well walk around wearing a sign that says "kick me in the junk". But as much fun as that would be, the facts can kick him in the junk far harder than I ever could.

This is probably the most clear cut case of selective reading I have ever seen. Rip quoted a part of the article's headline, leaving out the part that didn't support his views. "Optimism Grows in Iraq, But More Help Needed". That tells the whole story so much better, doesn't it? And after all, we're all after the truth, right...? The fact is that people probably ARE optimistic right now. The government is forming and starting to get the ability to defend Iraq, and there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel...at the very least people can imagine where it might be. But the part that Rip missed, mostly because he's more interested in bashing "libbies" than in actually understanding anything, is that success for the Iraqis is not a forgone conclusion. More help is necessary in order to make sure it happens, and there are some very real problems that need to be addressed. The very article Rip linked to said exactly this, and if he hadn't been so busy figuring out how to bash everyone who doesn't agree with him, he might have noticed.

Optimism is good, it helps you to not give up. But it won't do the job all by itself. You need to take a rational look at the situation, be honest about what problems remain, and figure out how to fix them. Idiot rhetoric and fanatical attacks on people who point out problems is not what Iraq needs. In fact, it does far more harm than anything else, because the facts don't change just because you rant and rave about "libbies".
 

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80% of support for the Iraqi troops doesn't matter. All the 20% has to do is keep killing troops and innocent civilians with suicide bombers and IEDs, and eventually they won't be so optimistic.

Did we learn nothing from Vietnam? One side (the U.S.) has to win the war, the other side (insurgents), only has to prevent the other side from winning.
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: Engineer
When can we leave?

Rumsfield share your optimism since he now says it may be 12 years before the insurgency is defeated?

Iraq was a lie of a sh!thole war. You can make it what you want but it was a lie.

You all should sign up and fight for your fearless liar! :|

P.S. You can stick your anti-American and Anti-Military Sh!t up your @ss. Just because I, and 70% of the American poplulation now, think that the war wasn't worth fighting doesn't make "US" anti-American. You're so American, what are you doing for your part, eh? NOTHING!!!

Paying for it. Not every citizen can be a goddamn soldier. If everyone who supported the war became a soldier we'd have 50 million plus soldiers. Now go away with your, yes, ANTI-AMERICAN blather and come back when u realize Iraq will be better off without Saddam (basically, I'm telling you to never come back :p).
 

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Not every citizen can be a goddamn soldier. If everyone who supported the war became a soldier we'd have 50 million plus soldiers. Now go away with your, yes, ANTI-AMERICAN blather and come back when u realize Iraq will be better off without Saddam (basically, I'm telling you to never come back :p).

Wow, apparently the recruiting centers are so crowded people can't even get in the front door? This is an interesting variation on Tom Delay's story.

Actually, I haven't seen that in my town. I guess yours is more patriotic.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Engineer
When can we leave?

Rumsfield share your optimism since he now says it may be 12 years before the insurgency is defeated?

Iraq was a lie of a sh!thole war. You can make it what you want but it was a lie.

You all should sign up and fight for your fearless liar! :|

P.S. You can stick your anti-American and Anti-Military Sh!t up your @ss. Just because I, and 70% of the American poplulation now, think that the war wasn't worth fighting doesn't make "US" anti-American. You're so American, what are you doing for your part, eh? NOTHING!!!

Paying for it. Not every citizen can be a goddamn soldier. If everyone who supported the war became a soldier we'd have 50 million plus soldiers. Now go away with your, yes, ANTI-AMERICAN blather and come back when u realize Iraq will be better off without Saddam (basically, I'm telling you to never come back :p).

Paying for it? So there is pretty much no difference in how much you support the troops (or the war) than one of those "anti American" liberals you love to hate. And being a soldier isn't the only way to support the war effort, if you really wanted to, you'd find a way. Even if it was something small, it's better than nothing. Coming on the internet and telling people they hate America isn't as helpful as you might think. Of course it IS much easier.

By the way, just because some people keep bringing this up, I've got to get a show of hands of how many people would like Saddam back in power... Just a simple question, because from the rhetoric some people here have got, I would think at least one person thinks Saddam being in power is the absolute best situation for Iraq to be in. I mean, I feel that it's about more than Saddam vs no Saddam, but I could be wrong. Maybe people really loved the guy and want him back in power. Or maybe ntdz and his ilk simply don't understand anything they can't slap on a bumper sticker.
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Engineer
When can we leave?

Rumsfield share your optimism since he now says it may be 12 years before the insurgency is defeated?

Iraq was a lie of a sh!thole war. You can make it what you want but it was a lie.

You all should sign up and fight for your fearless liar! :|

P.S. You can stick your anti-American and Anti-Military Sh!t up your @ss. Just because I, and 70% of the American poplulation now, think that the war wasn't worth fighting doesn't make "US" anti-American. You're so American, what are you doing for your part, eh? NOTHING!!!

Paying for it. Not every citizen can be a goddamn soldier. If everyone who supported the war became a soldier we'd have 50 million plus soldiers. Now go away with your, yes, ANTI-AMERICAN blather and come back when u realize Iraq will be better off without Saddam (basically, I'm telling you to never come back :p).

Explain to me how Eng. comment was Anti-American.
 

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Tell me one war besides WWII where america got involved that we came out smelling like a rose?

This isn't one of those wars ... We have an idiot at the helm and it's going to cost us a lot more money before we pull out and when we do it's not going to be pretty. I don't see any light at the end of this tunnel. I wonder how much more money can we throw at Iraq before we can't afford it any longer?

I wish I could be " Optimistic" ....
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: Engineer
When can we leave?

Rumsfield share your optimism since he now says it may be 12 years before the insurgency is defeated?

Iraq was a lie of a sh!thole war. You can make it what you want but it was a lie.

You all should sign up and fight for your fearless liar! :|

P.S. You can stick your anti-American and Anti-Military Sh!t up your @ss. Just because I, and 70% of the American poplulation now, think that the war wasn't worth fighting doesn't make "US" anti-American. You're so American, what are you doing for your part, eh? NOTHING!!!

Paying for it. Not every citizen can be a goddamn soldier. If everyone who supported the war became a soldier we'd have 50 million plus soldiers. Now go away with your, yes, ANTI-AMERICAN blather and come back when u realize Iraq will be better off without Saddam (basically, I'm telling you to never come back :p).

I'm not joking nutz. I'm fscking sick and tired of you @sswipes telling me that I'm anti-American and anti-Military when I'm against the war in Iraq. I guess 70% of the US population is now Anti-American? You can, as I told Rip, cram it up your butt too. Get ouf of Mommy and Daddy's house and do something for your fearless liar too! :|

I don't give 2 poops whether Iraq is or isn't better without Saddam. That's not the big WMD lie that we went there for. :|

You would rather send money to Iraq than to our own citiziens in the form of SS? Or Medicaid? So you would rather help Iraq out of the Saddam era than help folks in our own yard? You anti-American? *Pfffffttttttttt*

 

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If only those Iraqi's who are so "Optimistic" were as determined as those who are shooting at American Soldiers and murdering Iraqi citizens.

I, like most Americans, really don't give a flying fsck about the Iraqis one way of the other. Sure we are glad Hussein is gone but many of us believe that the price paid is much to high. The only reason a lot of us initially supported the Dubs excellent adventure in Iraq is because we were convinced by this administration that Hussein had vast stockpiles of WMDs and that they were a threat to our own national security. I can guarantee you that if we had known it was complete buillsh!t the Dub would never had gotten the support he needed for his ill conceived and ill advised war.

As for labeling the Military as evil, well I personally don't. However that doesn't absolve those who used our military for their evil agenda. Whether Dub is one of those or is just so disconnected and was duped by his underlings has yet to be determined.

 
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Originally posted by: conjur
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

A "poll" referred to by someone drumming up support to enter Iraq by other nations and offering no details behind this poll? And this guy is a Sunni and is the head of the Iraqi NSA?

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!


Yeah...there's a lot of credibility there. There's no reference to any details of this poll anywhere and the only place this guy's name shows up in a Google search is at the defenselink site and other forums pointing to that site.



Here are some more realistic viewpoints:

http://www.juancole.com/2005/06/arguing-with-bush-bushs-speech.html
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=4027
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2005_...ndblog_archive.html#112017374927547660
Juan Cole and Riverbend are "realistic?"

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Of course some people would think they're realistic as they spew the same doom & gloom BS and hatred for the US that so many in here do. They want nothing more than to see the US defeated.

Your shared goals are admirable. :roll:
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

A "poll" referred to by someone drumming up support to enter Iraq by other nations and offering no details behind this poll? And this guy is a Sunni and is the head of the Iraqi NSA?

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!


Yeah...there's a lot of credibility there. There's no reference to any details of this poll anywhere and the only place this guy's name shows up in a Google search is at the defenselink site and other forums pointing to that site.



Here are some more realistic viewpoints:

http://www.juancole.com/2005/06/arguing-with-bush-bushs-speech.html
http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=4027
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2005_...ndblog_archive.html#112017374927547660
Juan Cole and Riverbend are "realistic?"

BWA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Of course some people would think they're realistic as they spew the same doom & gloom BS and hatred for the US that so many in here do. They want nothing more than to see the US defeated.

Your shared goals are admirable. :roll:


Oh boy, here comes another one throwing out that we're anti-American because we didn't support the lie of a war. 70% now don't think it was worth it. Too bad fanboy!

Here's a :cookie: for you too. I would give you a pretzel, like your god, if I had one from the forum designers!

Stick that anti-American bullcrap up your tailhole!
 

conjur

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We're about to have even more smoke blown up our asses:

Critics Call Radio Hosts' Trip Propaganda Mission
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161463,00.html
WASHINGTON ? A contingent of conservatives talk radio hosts is headed to Iraq this month on a mission to report "the truth" about the war: American troops are winning, despite headlines to the contrary.

The "Truth Tour" has been pulled together by the conservative Web cast radio group Rightalk.com and Move America Forward, a non-profit conservative group backed by a Republican-linked public relations firm in California.

"The reason why we are doing it is we are sick and tired of seeing and hearing headlines by the mainstream media about our defeat in Iraq," Melanie Morgan, a talk radio host (search) for KSFO Radio in San Francisco and co-chair of Move America Forward, said.

Morgan said the media is "imposing a Vietnam template on this war."

"This is not Vietnam," she said. "War is war, and it's dangerous, and the killing is taking place all of the time. At the same time, where there is danger, there is success and there is a mainstream media that is determined to shut out that success."

She said the group is going to Iraq to support American troops, who see a disconnection with what they experience and what's being reported in the United States. She said the incongruence is leading to "morale problems."

But critics, including independent journalists who have reported from Iraq, say the trip is a propaganda mission for the U.S. military and the Bush administration and cannot be considered "journalism" by any standards.

"This is the most pathetic thing I've heard in a long time. They should be ashamed of themselves," Peter Beinart, editor of left-leaning The New Republic magazine, said.

"They have no idea what journalism is, and to pretend they are journalists is laughable," Beinart said. "You do not achieve victory by not facing reality. I think these are the kinds of people that will lead us to lose there."


The delegation, which Morgan said is being funded by individual radio stations and the hosts themselves, will be leaving on Friday for about a week.

They will be broadcasting from U.S Central Command headquarters in Baghdad's Green Zone (search) and will be traveling with the troops daily.

The group will kick off the trip with a "Thank You BBQ" for the troops at Centcom headquarters in Tampa, Fla., before traveling to Kuwait to visit with soldiers. They will be flown from there to Iraq via military transport and will be sleeping in tents inside the secured Green Zone.

According to retired Col. Buzz Patterson (search), host of "The Buzz Cut" on Rightalk, the delegation of seven to 10 conservatives will also include two writers from the Web site FrontPage Magazine, which is published by David Horowitz (search) and the Center for the Study of Popular Culture.

"The war is being won, if not already won, I think," Patterson, who is retired from the U.S. Air Force, said. "[Iraq] is stabilized and we want the soldiers themselves to tell the story." WTF?!?!

The trip comes at a time when public support for the war is at its lowest ever, according to polls, and as daily insurgent attacks against U.S. and Iraqi troops have increased. The last two months have been among the most violent since the June 2004 handover of sovereignty to the new Iraqi government with more U.S. soldiers dying than in any other months except for the two preceding the January 2005 election.

"I think they are going to discover very quickly that Iraq is an extremely dangerous place," Joe Conason, editor for American Prospect magazine and author of "Big Lies: The Right-Wing Propaganda Machine and How It Distorts the Truth," said. "The realities of the war zone are likely to intrude on whatever ideological disposition they have going in there."

According to government statistics and aggregated news reports compiled by the Brookings Institution's Iraq Index, aside from insurgent attacks, the quality of life for Iraqis is mixed. Oil exports in June were down from the same month last year. Unemployment is only slightly better, but still high: 27 percent. Electricity in Baghdad lasts for about 9.4 hours a day ? down from 10 hours a day.

Lack of clean water and sewage problem, and resulting water-born illnesses, also continue to be a problem in many parts of the country, say Iraqi medical officials. Less than half of the $20 billion allocated for reconstruction projects had been disbursed as of June.

Nonetheless, more than 1 million more Iraqi children are going to school than in 2002, the index shows. Power, water and sewage projects are ongoing. Public works jobs are being created and the government infrastructure is developing, according to the U.S. Agency for International Development, a lead agency in post-war reconstruction.

"In my opinion, the mainstream media is being biased in not reporting enough of what is going on ? they are not reporting the grinding situation on the ground where Iraqis are living in a state they've never lived in before," Dahr Jamail, an American freelance writer who was un-embedded in Iraq until February, said.

Mark Williams, talk show host for KFBK in Sacramento and a member of the delegation, said the group will report "what we see and what we are told," but their collective feeling is that there is mostly good.

"We believe that the emphasis has been placed on the negative and if Americans knew what really was going on over there they would have an entirely different picture," said Williams.

"We are Americans first and journalists second, as opposed to the crop of 'pinkos' that tell us on the news every night that America is going to hell in a hand basket," he said.

Steve Rendall, senior analyst for Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting and author of "The Way Things Aren't: Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error," said with an attitude like that, the trip will probably be useless in terms of real news-making.

He pointed out that not a single "mainstream" newspaper has editorialized in favor of a military withdrawal from Iraq and challenged the radio jocks to get any unfiltered information during their "velvet rope" treatment.

"If these talk show hosts are going over there to find good news no matter what, their trip is useless," he said. "It would be laughable if it wasn't as troubling as it is when they call it 'The Truth Tour.'"

Morgan, a former television reporter, said she and the others are tired of "hotel journalists" from "the mainstream media" who "sit around in a hotel bar" cribbing other writers' quotes and clips "so they don?t have to go out and cover the war."

"We are not going to engage in hotel journalism," she said.


"If that's what they are going to do, than my hat would be off to them, but that would mean they would have to go around, un-embedded, without military escort," Jamail who runs a Web blog and has written for the BBC, Asia Times and The Nation, said. "That would mean talking to ordinary Iraqis."

Rendall said that such a pro-Bush administration mission might be inappropriately supported by taxpayer money, considering the delegation will be hosted on bases and brought over on military transport.

"If they were actually reporters out to tell the story, good, bad, warts and all, than it wouldn't be entirely objectionable," he said. "But if they are acting entirely as government propagandists, which seems to be the case here, it's improper."

Rendall noted it "bears comparison to the Armstrong Williams (search) and the other instances" of government payment for good news, referring to conservative talk show host Williams, who was paid by the Department of Education to pump up school choice on his radio show in 2004.

The radio hosts balked at the suggestion.

"We're paying our own accommodations. My wife and I are paying $15,000 for this trip," Williams said. "We're cargo. We're given a smelly cot and the same accommodations as the troops. Basically, all the U.S. military is doing for us is letting us pay our own trip into war."

The talk show hosts say more of the successes must be told and the troops need to know that Americans see the positive things they are allowing to happen in Iraq.

"If we see things that aren't going well, sure we're talk show hosts, we'll talk about it," Patterson said. "But there has been no balance. I'm concerned that there are all of these positive things not being reported."
Ok, Melanie Morgan! You go, girl! You get out there in the triangle on your own, no embed. Get out there on the street and start asking questions.

Don't come crying when your ass has been kidnapped.


This is going to be even more sickening than those guided tours of Guantanamo the other day.

:roll:
 
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Ahh yes. Blowing smoke. Somthing the anti-war crowd are constantly blowing into that hole in the ground.

http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/2005/06/talk-less-think-more-and-do-more.html

Talk less, think more and do more.
It's visible to everyone that debates over the war in Iraq, war on terror, invasion or occupation or whatever you may name it are at peak levels right now.
The process is being questioned, criticized and discussed more profoundly than at any time in the last two years but you know what?
That's not happening in Iraq; you can find such discussions and accusations in America but you can't find them in Iraq.

As a matter of fact there are some similar debates here in Iraq but at very limited levels; in the National Assembly there are 83 members who signed a declaration where they accused the government of treason because it asked the multinational troops to remain for another year in Iraq and they said that the government ought to demand a timetable for withdrawal and they're also planning to organize protests and rallies to put more pressure on the government.

However, on the streets, such demands are not popular among everyday Iraqis who are more concerned about finding solutions for their daily life problems whether the solutions came form the government, the Americans or from Martians.
As for the other 192 members of the Assembly, they find such demands irrational and inconvenient at least for the time being.

Those 83 Sadrists and Fadhela party members as well as some other Islamists want to embarrass the government and use slogans that sound great and patriotac to undermine the public support the current government enjoys.
Wow. Now who does that sound like?

This reminds me of the communists and the pan-nationalists back in the 1st half of the 20th century when they demanded the ousting of British troops and the result was a disaster; all they wanted was power and the deterioration didn't end since then.

The truth is that with very few exceptions, most people and politicians here have thrown this argument behind their backs long time ago; whether they're supportive of the war/liberation or against it and whether they want the coalition to stay forever or they want the troops to leave now, they are now living and discussing the present and planning for the future trying to get the best results possible out of the current situation, each party from it's own perspective.

We're living through probably the most critical phase of this conflict; a phase where firm decisions and clear stands are needed more than ever, while sterile arguments can do nothing but weaken our position against our common enemy; the global terrorism.

I wasn't in touch with media and blogs when the September attacks happened but I heard a lot about the great sense of patriotism and the beautiful unity that grew among different political trends in America at that time and this is a time where such unity must be revived.
This is not the right time to argue about "why we went to this war".
It is time to think together for a way to win this war which none of us can afford to lose.

It doesn't really matter if Saddam had connections with Al-Qaeda prior to 2003 or not and it does not matter if he had the ability to attack the west with WMDs or not.
What really matters here is how to protect the world from terrorism.
Al-Qaeda is present and active in Iraq today; we all know this and this terror group's lethal power cannot and must not be underestimated.

Yesterday for example, interior ministry in Saudi Arabia uncovered a new list of wanted Al-Qaeda members with 36 names on it, 21 of who are believed to be residing in Iraq right now.

Can anyone tell me how can these terrorists be stopped from moving their zone of action to other countries if they weren't intercepted right here and right now?
There's no doubt that once Iraq falls in their hands they will start looking for other battle grounds and they will search for the "greatest Satan" in other places.
It is the American existence in Iraq that attracted them to a great extent and when there are no Americans in Iraq Al-Qaeda will not simply drop their weapons and start a normal life, they will seek other places where they can find, and kill Americans.

What I want to say here is that it is our fate to fight terrorism on our own land and we (the majority) have accepted to challenge this fate the day we abandoned Saddam and welcomed our freedom but that's not the case for you in America.
Actually we've got no other choice but to fight and keep fighting until we win over the terrorists because otherwise we'll have to submit to their will and the damage would be irreversible.

Fighting terrorism for us in Iraq is a matter of life or death so we have no choice but to keep fighting until we kill or lock in jail every one of them and we're doing this whether the world supported us or not but in case we failed, the consequences will not be confined by Iraq's borders.
You (the west) can step back and wait for the terrorists to knock on your doors at any minute or you can put your s*** together and fight them while they're thousands of miles away.

This is war, it's not a picnic and don't think that we're enjoying it and we're not expecting you to enjoy it either.
By quitting now some might think that needless losses are going to be avoided but that's-in my opinion-is a very shortsighted way of thinking because quitting now will only expose America and the rest of the world to a much greater threat.

I was talking about this to one of my friends and he described this war in an interesting way, he said "this war is much like a fierce boxing match; you punch and you get punched but even if you're stronger than your opponent you should not allow him to catch his breath at any round because he might then give you a surprising punch when the next round begins and knocks you down".

So my advice to the American politicians on both sides but especially those on the left side is: grow up, this is not the time to seek political wins and it's not the time to use other's mistakes to get some publicity.
We're facing very tough times so use your skills to find solutions.
Bottom line is, talk less, think more and do more.
But asking these people to think is like asking a worm to get up on two legs and walk. It's just not possible for them.

Instead they'll keep dwelling on a past that cannot be undone and yell, whine, cry, and toss around words like quagmire, disaster, gulag, Hitler, and Pol Pot; basically laying on their backs and thrashing their arms and legs about like a two-year old throwing a tantrum. I doubt that's all they have in common with a two-year old either. Check your diapers, kids.
 

conjur

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It doesn't really matter if Saddam had connections with Al-Qaeda prior to 2003 or not and it does not matter if he had the ability to attack the west with WMDs or not.
What really matters here is how to protect the world from terrorism.
Al-Qaeda is present and active in Iraq today; we all know this and this terror group's lethal power cannot and must not be underestimated.
Jesus H. Christ on a popsicle stick.

So, forget the WMDs (which were the sole justification for invading Iraq). Forget the revamped justification of "liberation". Now it's fighting the terrorists in Iraq. Nevermind the fact that these terrorists flocked to Iraq *because* of the invasion. So, create the justification for the invasion *after* the invasion.