Opteron to support Palladium (In addition to Intel Prescott)

Bluga

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Bit by bit, digital freedom disappears
By Nathan Cochrane
September 17 2002


Another stage in Microsoft's five-year plan to control our PCs and the Internet will kick off early next year with the launch of Advanced Micro Devices' latest chip, Opteron, aimed at business uses.

The new microprocessor, which will run both existing 32-bit applications and specially recompiled 64-bit programs, will support "Palladium", a set of security and privacy features Microsoft is building into its products. Both AMD and Microsoft are members of the Trusted Computing Platform Alliance (TCPA), a cabal of 170 product makers developing a uniform approach to security and copyright protection. AMD has been working on the "trusted client" approach with Wave Systems Corp for two years.

AMD's chips will increase the security of those accessing programs and the Internet, says company marketer Patrick Moorhead. But it will also refuse to play certain content if it is not digitally signed by Microsoft or an authorised party.

For the end-to-end security features to work as envisioned by the TCPA, all parties along the network chain must build in complementary security features. Chips from the likes of AMD and Intel will only decode information, such as audio and video, if it comes with an unlocking key. Hard-drive makers will make drives that won't record certain types of information, and so on.

It is envisaged that once the TCPA system is fully functioning, our PCs would quietly report to authorities any unauthorised content on our machines. PCs and other devices would also refuse to play content, such as a music CD, tied to another device, and may be instructed by a remote server to delete information from the owner's hard drive.


Moorhead, AMD's vice-president of consumer advocacy, dismisses consumer complaints that the ever-tightening noose designed to stop online piracy, known as Digital Rights Management (DRM), will erode existing rights.

But he says AMD believes that these technologies should be "opt-in" - that the user should control it - not government mandates.

Hollywood and the music industry are lobbying hard to make DRM mandatory in all new devices, and existing laws here and in the US make it a crime to switch it off.

Moorhead says the end user has been "unfairly branded" as a thief, and he believes most people would buy content online if it was available but it is being held back by a skittish film and recording industry.

But Dan Bricklin, computing pioneer and co-developer of the world's first popular spreadsheet, VisiCalc, says attempts to copy-protect works are a "simple fix" to preserve out-dated business models.

Further, he wrote, using legislation to bolster technological methods would be "bad for society", hobbling technology.

"Copy protection, like poor environment and chemical instability before it for books and works of art, looks to be a major impediment to preserving our cultural heritage."
 

RanDum72

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our PCs would quietly report to authorities any......

Now that is downright scary....
 

CrazySaint

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Originally posted by: RanDum72
our PCs would quietly report to authorities any......

Now that is downright scary....

Damn! Talk about "Big Brother". You can bet I'm switching to Linux before I ever buy any hardware/OS that does that!
 

JavaMomma

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Guess I should buy a really good computer that will last me atleast a couple years...
Then Cyrix? or Linux...
No Hammer or PentiumV for me.
Damn how the hell is a CPU supposed to know what is good & bad?
I've written programs that Norton AntiVirus has given "possible virus warning"
soon computers are not gonna be just like a toaster or a VCR :(

PCs would quietly report to authorities any unauthorised content on our machines. PCs and other devices would also refuse to play content, such as a music CD, tied to another device, and may be instructed by a remote server to delete information from the owner's hard drive.

I can see security problems already...<remote server to delete information>
Increase in sale of Firewall software anyone?
 

klah

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Hopefully this will end up like Intel's unique serial number idea with the P3.

Welcome to the future, where you have to get permission to run computer instructions.
-Anonymous


Here is a big problem..
Software piracy rates: China 94%, Indonesia 89%, Russia 88%. [www.bsa.org/resources/2001-05-21.55.pdf]

These countries account for over 25% of the world's population or about 1.6Billion people. Some manufacturers are going to target this market and create products that do what they do now, process instructions regardless of what they are. Are Intel and AMD going to accept their market share in these countries to go to 0%? Probably not, so they have two choices: possibility to disable this service, or special hardware for these markets without this service. What are the hardware manufacturers going to tell China: "sorry our hardware will not run on 94% of the systems in your country, but please let us continue building factories here"?

I will never buy a single piece of hardware that supports Palladium, even if the option to turn it off is present.

/end rant mode
 

Sunner

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Linux anyone?

Oh wait, Im already posting from Linux, there now I feel much better :)

But seriously, this DRM crap is downright fscking evil. :|
 

WyteWatt

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Yeah there is a few alternatives. But the first one is sorta not really going to help any. Make your own processors. Then again it would not do any good if it could not run programs, games, etc. So thats really not possible :( Another one is to go linux and stay with the best hardware before this hardware for a while. Then when you need to upgrade then just do your video card, etc. Like stuff that is not like this. For a HD i guess get a SCSI HD before it happens to HDs because SCSI HDS last a long time and don't need upgrading a lot of the time. Not sure what else to do :( I guess we could all boycott. I know i will.

Does anyone else here have any other alternatives? I would really hate if this happen for real :( Hoping it does not but we will see. I mean this is not a good thing at all. Its like taking some of our rights away which is just not right. Oh yeah we may beable to do something to the processor to turn the copyright feature off. But i guess you would have to make sure u knew what you were doing.


 

CrazySaint

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Originally posted by: JavaMomma
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Guess I should buy a really good computer that will last me atleast a couple years...
Then Cyrix? or Linux...
No Hammer or PentiumV for me.
Damn how the hell is a CPU supposed to know what is good & bad?

"They" will tell the CPU how know that's "good" and what's "bad". Now if we could just figure out some way to convince the CPU that Palladium is "bad". :D
 

Leo V

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At this point a link to a Congressional petition would be very helpful.

Linux or not, most people are locked into Windows. This includes myself, despite having both OSes working perfectly. Linux in itself is great, but there is no comparison of available software between the two. Switching to Linux exclusively is simply not an option; this is why MS is sometimes called a monopoly. Since Palladium has a shady legal basis (something bordering on collusion between businesses to suppress competition), lobbying Congress could be more productive.
 

MadRat

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Linux isn't going to run on these Opterons, obviously. The whole ideal of CRM is to close the source.

ClawHAMMER and Barton is not supporting CRM, making them the natural upgrade. Where you go from there depends on how many people rebel abainst CRM.
 

Wolfsraider

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guess i'll be getting that dualie sooner than i thought;)

i won't buy anything if this is where we are headed

mac's are looking intresting as well as console gaming:(


 

LikeLinus

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Ok did all you "smart" Linux people even read the article?

""Chips from the likes of AMD and Intel will only decode information, such as audio and video, if it comes with an unlocking key""

""Hard-drive makers will make drives that won't record certain types of information, and so on.""

Tell me exactly how Linux is going to help alter the core and architecture of a CPU to enable decoding of information? Exactly how is Linux going to change a HD into allowing you to save information that it considers illegal?

"AMD's chips will increase the security of those accessing programs and the Internet""

Linux isn't going to do JACK for you or anyone else. It is the HARDWARE that will limit you in stealing intellectual property and whatever else it considers illegal.