Opteron 144 not so good With a Asus A8N-VM

[markkleb]

Last week in another forum I posed the question "what would be better a 3700+ or a Opteron 144?"

I had a 3700+ and had to sell it today. So to replace it I bought the Opty. Well on my Asus A8n-vm csm there arent a lot of settings to change.

With the 3700+ I was able to easy OC it to 2500mhz. I am lucky to get 2000 with the opty.
At Pcpitstop.com my score is about 300 points lower. Buyer Beware....

 

[aggressor]

Voltages? Memory divider? What exactly did you try?

Also, "buyer beware" is kind of silly. It's common knowledge that not all CPUs overclock the same. There are way too many variables to consider.

 

[firewolfsm]

i hit 2.7GHz on the stock cooling, it never goes above 42C but i want a Scythe w/ fan for silence

 

[markkleb]

I have a Very good Thermatake copper heatsink and 92mm fan. I also have Stealth 120mm case fans and my X800 gto has Ac cooling.

But im using a Asus micro mb and there is no overclocking (just cpu fsb frequency) I have 4 one gig lat 2 ddr400 memory that worked fine on the 3700. (im using xp64)

When I had the 3700 i could set the fsb to 225 easy but with the opty I am lucky to set it at 210.

 

[buzzsaw13]

If you're willing to buy another motherboard, go for the Biostar TForce-6100-939

 

[markkleb]

Aggressor mabye "buyer beware " is a little strong, but now I am stuck with a 1800 mhz $200 paperweight.

 

[Cook1]

No reason to call a buyer beware on this chip just because your board is lacking in OC settings.

 

[aggressor]

Paperweight? It works at it's stock settings, so it's anything but. You didn't get to overclock it as much as you like, but that's a different story altogether.

Besides, I'd blame that motherboard before the chip.

 

[Fallengod]

Ive never seen any opty 144's that didnt go past 2.0ghz. Id say user error.

 

[markkleb]

buzzsaw13 said try the biostar. Thats at least useful info.

Now I know the Asus dosent have many settings to mess with

BUT THE 3700+ (on the asus) WAS 600 mhz HIGHER.

 

[Fallengod]

Its most likely user error. Since you didnt listen to agressors previous post asking what youre bios settings were. Its impossible to help you.


If that chip really does a max of 2.0ghz, you may be in possesion of the single worst opty 144 chip ever created on this planet.

 

[furballi]

You are limited by the RAM. Need to set the RAM divider to 166 (5:6) before you can push the FSB higher. Unfortunately, you cannot change the RAM speed with that MB. I suspect the 144 will do at least 2400MHz

 

[markkleb]

thanks furballi for the info. I just ordered the Biostar mb to try.

 

[saltedeggman]

seems like the OP is just a noob

 

[aggressor]

You impulse bought a motherboard based on a single recommendation? Granted, I don't know anything about that motherboard, but you should at least do some research or ask for more opinions. I doubt you did much research in the 15 minutes since buzzsaw13 recommended it.

Maybe this ties in with why you aren't having any luck overclocking.

 

[Fallengod]

wow lol... he would rather buy a new mobo than let people try and help him fix it.... o...k....

 

[markkleb]

Well if you did check you would know the Biostar had lots of oc options. It also has sata 2 (msi doesnt)

Instead of making fun of me how bout being useful like buzzsaw 13 and furballi.

The reason I chose the Asus first was 6150 video and adi 1986a sound. And with the 3700+ it oced to 2553 easy. Now with the opty it wont go over 1900.

Now if you ask me the 3700 was a MUCH better deal...

 

[Cook1]

Plain and simple answer for you:

YMMV= Your milage my vary

So what does that mean exactly?

You can't guarantee an OC with a chip. You can look at how people with the same chip/stepping have been doing with their OC's and the boards that they are using. Yes, motherboards to make a difference, that's the hard and simple fact. Also it matters how much you know about OC'ing, BIOS options and etc.

 

[aggressor]

I tried to be helpful in my first post, but all you managed to say was how much the chip sucked.

 

[buzzsaw13]

What powersupply are you running? That also could be a factor since according to your sig you've got 4gigs of ram, an overclocked video card, 2 hard drives, and a sound card. You might want to invest in a power supply too.

 

[furballi]

Check the manual to verify that you cannot change the memory divider with the old MB. Other quality boards that will overclock well include:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813127187

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813123236

Your old 3700 has a higher multiplier, and would be much easier to overclock with Value RAM and your current MB. Note that the recommended boards are ATX.

You would have to push the 144 above 2700MHz before it will outperform the 3700 @ 2500MHz. Personally, I think your chance of running the 144 above 2700MHz is less than 40%.

 

[markkleb]

First aggressor I never said "sucked"

You are missing the point,

With the 3700+ the SAME MOBO oced to 2553. All I did was change to the opty. Now it wont go over 1900.

Allt his mobo will let me do is change the fsb frequency. You were right and I ordered a biostar mobo that is still sata2 and has overclocking features.

I am not trying to knock AMD! I mostly use them, BUT this opty is nowhere near the 3700+. As far as operator error, All I did is change the cpu. And if the bios ONLY lets you change the fsb how is that error?

 

[96redformula]

I have an opteron 144 running at 2750 @ 1.525 volts.......

 

[markkleb]

Thanks again furballi. I am using a Micro case so I am stuck with the micro mobo. I have a few Lanparty and asus a8n sli laying around here and later I will try to see the diff.

My origional idea was to build a quiet micro comp and thats why I used the asus a8n. It had 6150 and adi 1986a sound ( both supposed to be the best) But the graphics were soso so I put in a X800 and 24 bit sound card.

Im just bummed cause I was hoping for more, well I ordered the Biostar mobo and we will see if there is a diff.

 

[markkleb]

Hey 96redformula I have a 96 red bonneville ssi.