Opinions wanted on relationship situation

Sgt.Speculum

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Ok, first I want to preface this by saying I know that many of you object to posting personal topics in this forum, and for that I apologize, but I value the opinions of my peers and others and would be curious as to see what you would do in my situation. So anyway, let's get on with it.

Many of you probably have never heard of me, but I'm a lurker, and not a poster. I've been a lurker for more than 3 years now. Some may remember, but I posted in January of this year that my fiancee/girlfriend of 5.5 years left me for no reason and I was devastated. Anyway, I've moved on and I recently have met someone new. This girl is incredible, she's young, beautiful, intelligent, all the qualities that you'd ever want in girl. She just moved up here to Jersey from Atlanta, and started working in my building. We hit it off right away, we started hanging out a lot and doing things together, there was definitely chemistry, you know, those long stares, lots of awkward silences, big smiles, brushing up against each other while sitting together at a bar, etc. It was incredible. I couldn't stop thinking about her(still can't).

Anyway, after about 4 weeks of this type of deal, basically hanging out and doing things together, I made a move. At first I was denied. She had some floundering relationship back in Atlanta, but based on the fact that she never mentioned it,and when she did she never mentioned it in apositive light Comments like "I'm sure he's out with another woman right now...etc.." Is what she would say. So I told her my intentions. I said "I'd love to be able to just sit with you on the couch, rent a movie, put my arm around you and kiss you, that's it" That did it. She lost her inhibitions with me. I never put pressure on her to end her relationship, and when she said she wanted space I gave her all the space she wanted. Of course, my feeling for her kept growing, and I was becoming a wreck. All I could do was think about her. When I knew she was coming over I would shower and try on like 5 different shirts, etc. I get all nervous when she's around, and Actually I get somewhat scared when I know I'm going to see her. We started spending more and more time together. There was some physical intimacy, but not too much. She'd stay at my apt all weekend. OK, so you're probably wondering what the problem is right? Well I'll get to that right now.

It happened after a weekend we were together the whole time, she was there on sunday afternoon, and I started feeling all claustrphobic, and I kind of wanted her to leave. It was like someone flicked a switch. I don't know why, but I started getting all anxious. So, she left, and from that moment on I started having these doubts about how I felt about her. I loved every moment we were together, and I couldn't figure out why I felt that way suddenly. Anyway, about 2 weeks ago, I found myself thinking about how I felt more and more, It consumed my entire day, all I could do was question myself, I couldn't sleep at night, couldn't eat, wanted to see her, but didn't at the same time. Whe she would come to see me it was like she totally soothed me. I felt fine, It was like I relaxed instantly. Of course this just made me more and more confused, now I started to get panic attacks and anxiety attacks. I couldn't even breathe.

Then just last week, I just snapped, she came over to spend the night and I just lost it, Basically I woke up at 5Am I couldn't breathe, I felt like my heart was going to explode, and I woke her up and told her i couldn't see her anymore. She was devastated, I told her that I don't love her. I don't know why I said that, because it was never implied how strong her feelings were for me or neither of us mentioned love at all? I said something just doesn't feel right. She left and my anxiety went away. Of course after I slept for a while I woke up and thought "what have I done?". In short I'm miserable at work/school, I hate New Jersey, and right now I'm under an incredible amount of stress. I feel like my life was spinning out of control. I thought about what I did, and I think it was a knee jerk reaction, here was one thing in my life that I felt like I had the most control over, and since I felt stressed, my reaction was to get rid of the problem. I don't think this was the right thing to do, because instead of dealing with my anxiety and trying to work through it, my instinct was to throw away the one thing in my life that actually gives me any happiness. What the hell was I thinking. My anxiety returned, but now it was anxiety about the fact that I had made the wrong decision.

So, I called her and she came over and we straightened things out, We agreed to step way back and to keep things very casual. It's exactly what I want. I want her in my life and I want to spend time with her. But, then my anxiety came back. I mean this girl is consuming my thoughts non-stop, all I can do is think about the situation. I don't understand why I can't live in the here and now and enjoy her company,in a casual relationship, and all I can do is focus on doubts and insecurities. Why do I constantly question every decision I make, whether it was right or wrong. I don't understand why I think so much about it, I mean the situation is perfect right now, very casual dating. Lots of space. This past weekend has been a nightmare, I have never felt so much anxiety in my life ever. I came home to NY to be with my family, and as soon as I walked in the door and saw my father I totally broke down, and cried like a baby. Then I called her yesterday afternoon, explained how I was feeling so anxious and after she talked to me for a while I felt so much better, She really calms me down. She said that she's here for me, when I'm ready, and that we should definately take things day by day.

Of course, I spend lots of time talking to people about my situation. Some people think that I have this major fear of becoming too involved with someone, because I'm afraid of getting hurt again. My last relattionship ended so horribly, and even though I don't feel that that bad anymore, maybe subconciously I have a lot of apprehension to get involved in something that seemed to be becoming serious in a rather short period of time. Maybe my gut instinct of running away was the result of my fear of getting overly involved with someone. I can see myself falling big time for this girl, and at the same time can't understand why I feel the need for so much space. My father says that It sounds like I'm totally in love, Mom agrees. Anyway, I just would like to know what you think. Feel free to berate me for posting a long and personal post, or contribute any piece of advice that you see fit. Oh, by the way, I'm going back to therapy this week. I think I'm on the edge.

Thanks,
Ian


 

Fathom5

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Ian, I'm by far no expert, but maybe things were just happening too fast? You're feeling like you want a relationship but maybe aren't quite ready yet.

Maybe backing off and taking things slower.

BTW, I remember you from around from way back when all I did was lurk too. It's good to see you again.

Good luck.
 

BoberFett

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SgtSpeculum

It sounds to me like you have things under control. There's nothing wrong with taking things slowly. In fact it's probably better that way. It does sound like you're in love, but don't let "in love" get in the way of "love." Take your time, if it's meant to be, it will happen. There's a lot to be said for following your instinct.


Fathom

How'd I know you'd show up here?
 

Isla

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First of all, don't apologize for posting this. If other people don't like it, they don't have to read it.

What you are going through is very normal and probably has roots in our expectations for relationships. It is good to talk about these things here, because EVERYONE can benefit from reading this. What ARE your expectations in a relationship? Are they realistic? Are you even aware of your expectations? Everyone has them. Most people have totally unrealistic expectations and that is why they end up so unhappy.

Second, you may have some issues with control:



<< I feel like my life was spinning out of control. I thought about what I did, and I think it was a knee jerk reaction, here was one thing in my life that I felt like I had the most control over, and since I felt stressed, my reaction was to get rid of the problem. >>



LOL, what makes you think you have control over the situation w/her? Who controls a relationship? You don't, and THAT is what is so scary and produces anxiety. ;) Get rid of scary situation, get rid of anxiety. :)

It does sound like she is very special to you. She also sounds quite patient and lovely.

My best advice to you is this: Life is too short not to experience love. Whenver you find yourself thinking negatively, snap out if it! There is no perfect relationship... there are just potentials in relationships, and you are 50% of the equation. Focus on what YOU can do to be a good partner and let the rest unfold as it will. The only thing you have control over is your behavior. If you want the BEST POSSIBLE OUTCOME, then give it your best effort. Be the best man you can be, every day. Even if the relationship doesn't work out, you will have achieve something worthwhile. If you want to sabotage a potentially lovely union, then keep worrying about all the things you have no control over.

Best wishes!
 

ChrichtonsGirl

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Ian, have you ever tried anti-anxiety medications? Have you ever been diagnosed with manic depression? I'm no shrink, but it doesn't sound like a strictly relationship problem, but more of a mood disorder. You're using the typical manic-depressive tool of blaming your moods on events in your life; the very fact that you aren't consistent in what makes/soothes your anxiety tells me you've got another issue here. On one hand she makes you feel better, but when she's with you, you sometimes feel worse?

I have a number of reasons for saying that, and if you want to PM me, I can explain them more privately to you. Let's just say I see some very classic symptoms in what you describe.

 

Chef0083

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Anyone who gives you grief about posting something like this is a complete jerk and I would pay no attention to them.



<< maybe subconciously I have a lot of apprehension to get involved in something that seemed to be becoming serious in a rather short period of time. >>



I think you hit the nail on the head right there. After being in a relationship for that long and it ending so badly I think it's natural for there to be some last effects from it, most of which would be subconcious. If you think this girl is important enough( and it seems you do ) then you should just do what you are doing now, take it easy and work on things with her. Perhaps some time apart( IE no contact ) would do you some good. These are just suggestions so take them as you wish. Hope things work out.

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cxim

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SS,

you had a panic attack !!

I recommend you get this book &amp; read it &amp; see if it applies to you..

book

sounds like you are in a high emotional state.

I also recommed strongly that you see a relationship /marriage counselor. Not you &amp; her, just you. You have some powerful issues that may well harm any attempts at future close relationships. You need to find out what they are &amp; why ? &amp; what you can do to fix things.
 

DirkBelig

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Not sure what to tell you because I'm not quite sure what ALL the details are (though you were very thorough), but I hope you can work it out one way or the other.

Have you considered PROFESSIONAL help? You appear to have some issues lingering from the previous relationship and they may be able to help you spot the problems and then deal with them constructively.

Good luck.
 

Isla

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See, aren't you glad you posted? You are getting a lot of good advice here.

Let me reinforce the suggestion that you consider professional help. You may need meds and counseling, and there is nothing wrong with that. If this is a pattern in your life, you need to get a grip on it if you are ever going to experience a sense of contentment/ happiness.

Peace!

 

Daniel

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Many seem to be grasping it here, I was in a long term relationship too, that ended in a ugly fashion, everyone needs time afterwords. But the first time back out with someone feels wierd, it's normal, the girl I'm with now, everything seems perfect, but even the begining with her I had such strong feelings but still decided to take it slowly just to ease back into everything. Recognize what the &quot;real&quot; problems were in the last relationship, not just he/she is a bitch or something and it will help you greatly in the future.
 

Total Refected Power

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Yea, you need someone to talk to. Its not often you find someone as wondeful as this lady sounds. Maybe you don't feel you deserve someone this good? Low-self esteem so you sabotage the relationship. It is complex and you need to sort this out in a fourm other than this forum.

Good Luck.

Hey, NJ isn't that bad!!
 

bigvince

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Isla you said


<< Life is too short not to experience love >>




well i have been in love a couple of times so does that mean that i can ditch my girlfriend now cause i've already been in love?
 

Namuna

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First thing that jumped to mind is that you're uncomfortable/anxious with not knowing where things stand with your new girl and her past-relationship.

Add a dash of post-breakup anxiety and you're in HOTSAUCE my friend.

You've got a lot on your mind, talking to a counselor was a great idea. And the fact that you're willing to admit that you needed the help, shows you're big enough to make changes for the better.

Keep the lines of communications as open as possible, that's important.

Of course the other thing that came to mind is that this new girl is a demon sent from HELL to RIP you of ALL MENTAL STABILITY and slowly eat you away from the inside....Oh wait, I think that was one of MY ex's.




 

I'm Typing

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I have one word for you: Therapy. Your school has a mental health center, and it is free. Use it.

You sound like you have control issues, and you have a lot of baggage from this other relationship...5 and a half years???? What were you like, 15 when you started it? Distance is also a real good thing at this point with the new babe as well...
 

Isla

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bigvince



<< well i have been in love a couple of times so does that mean that i can ditch my girlfriend now cause i've already been in love? >>



Are you saying you don't love your current girlfriend?

:Q;)
 

CinderElmo

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what the hell, I'll put in my two cents...

You have several things going for you that will definitely help you. It sounds like you can talk to your parents which is nice. You can see your problem somewhat objectively (posting here for opinions and seeking professional help too)...that will help you. Talking it over with all these folks above will lighten the burden on you. You should feel blessed that you have all these outs and are really far from &quot;trapped&quot;. The last thing that stikes me is the fact that this girl is willing to come back to work things out depsite your best efforts to scare her off ;)

Just take it slow and enjoy the good times, it sounds like you have something really good there.
 

DeathsShadow

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Lan, dude you have some issues :), but we all do..Anyways my piece of advice for you is to start smoking some pot (not too much just a bit), cause dude you are wayyy to high strung. You need to relax some more. Its funny cause I was sort of in the same boat as you, I broke up with my Girlfriend of 4+ years and life went into the $hitter real quick, but eventually I figured out that life is too short to get all worked up over everything, and just take things day to day. Anyways just my 2 cents worth, but seriously try a little pot and see if that helps mellow you out :).
 

Sgt.Speculum

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Wow, first I would like to express my gratitude to all who have replied, I value the opinion of each and every one of you, and the outpouring of compassion is appreciated.

Isla, thanks for your pov, I never really thought of having issues with control, what i implied by saying I have control, was that I had the power to end this if I want to. I've never considered myself a controlling person, but it is something I won't discount as a legitamate possibility. And i am glad that i posted here :) As far as expectations, I went into this with her and we both agreed to take things casually, with no expectations on either side. I seem to be having a problem with this, Is it possible that I am not able to be in a casual relationship? As I said, I am definately going into therapy as soon as I get back to school on wednesday. It is high priority.

Total reflected power,
You're right about the low self esteem issue, It has been a problem of mine for as long as I can remember, a lot of my friends constantly remind of how it is definately something that is holding me back, I've undone myself more times than I care to admit because of it.

I'm typing,
I definately think I have more baggage than I thought, It was a five and a half years I'm 26 now, so It was from when I was 19-25.

I know there are other things in my life going on now too. I am miserable. I'm in my fourth year of grad school working on Ph.D. There is no light at the end of the tunnel. My prof. that I work for was denied tenure and left 4 months ago, I have no advisor now. No positive feedback and no encouragent. I hate my project, I find it boring, uninspiring and uninteresting. I find myself generally losing interest in research in general and question why I am even here. I went from living with my fiancee, to living in new apt. with a new roomate, I don't feel at home here at all. I hate New Jersey, I find myself generally distrustful and bitter towards evrybody I meet, and fail to see the goodness in anything. I can't even motivate myself to keep up with responsibilites at home. I pay bills at the last minute, I easily fall into routine, and now I can no longer do that. I'm generally unmotivated, and find myself all to willing to sit on the couch and waste days watching TV. I really feel like Ive hit rock bottom, and I feel all these issues, plus this relationship are pushing me over. I hope that therapy will help me. I don't even feel that burdening you people with my problems is the right thing to do. I'm sure things will pick up for me soon, just got to keep my head above water for a little while longer.




 

DeathsShadow

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Hmmm maybe you should build a relationship with God and get religious. You ever think about that? Sometimes that hole in your heart is can be a longing for something more from this world. Not to get too religous or anything cause I'm sure there are people who read this thread that hate religion but just wanted to give you a suggestion, and leave you with a couple of quotes...anyway hang tight, life will get better.

Philippians 4:6-7, TLB. &quot;Don't worry about anything; instead pray about everything; tell God your needs, and don?t forget to thank Him for His answers. If you do this you will experience God?s peace, which is far more wonderful than the human mind can understand. His peace will keep your thoughts and your hearts quiet and at rest as you trust in Christ Jesus.&quot;

I Peter 5:7, TLB. &quot;Let Him have all your worries and cares, for He is always thinking about you and watching everything that concerns you.&quot;

Philippians 3:13-14, TLB. &quot;No, dear brothers, I am still not all I should be but I am bringing all my energies to bear on this one thing: Forgetting the past and looking forward to what lies ahead, I strain to reach the end of the race and receive the prize for which God is calling us up to heaven because of what Christ Jesus did for us.&quot;
 

whateverdude

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sounds to me like your kinda going through what I went through when I first met my

























wife :)


love is probably the hardest emotion to understand. it can make you feel equally bad and good. when I met my wife, I was kind of in the same situation as you. I felt so out of control of my emotions when she was around. so I tried to break it off with her because it freaked me out. well, that didnt work either, I was so d*mn miserable without her, I cried myself to sleep every night because I missed her so much. I lasted 3 days before I called and set things right.

it sounds to me your in love with this gal and your trying to fight it. it feels bad because your fighting your feelings and its showing itself in the form of anxiety. when or if you decide to quit fighting and give in to it, it wont feel like anxiety anymore. she sounds like someone special who brings out good in you. sounds like a keeper to me.

good luck.
 

Isla

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Sgt.Speculum

Glad you didn't take my comments the wrong way. The fact that you are even looking inward is a good sign.

Hang in there with the school thing... Congrats on working towards your PhD, even if things are getting rocky!

My promise to you is this:

In a year's time, everything will be different. Everything changes, so hang in there, think positively, and keep moving forward. Every life has ups and downs... the upswing is just around the corner!

Peace~
 

StageLeft

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Sgt.Speculum

Never feel bad about burdening people here with your problems - if they don't want to hear it they will not read them.

I've been where you are as well, although I'm younger. I feel all I can say is hang in there and once your Phd is done things may start looking up quite a bit and you'll be happy with what you've accomplished. Also, don't get this girl out of your life in indeed she is a great person - maybe a counsellor would be worth your money - its nothing to be ashamed about or anything and could really help you a lot.
 

fluxquantum

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hey there, i am starting in a new relationship myself and i know exactly how you feel. both the girl and i are sort of reluctant to get deeply involved and we are very careful because both of us have had bad relationships in the past. just take it day by day and hang in there. i don't think you need a shrink or anything. it's human nature to have those feelings. i break down and cry sometimes for no reason either. you are at least making an attempt to express your feelings to others and that's good. get your feelings out and keep talking especially with your girlfriend. i learned that communication is the best way to solve some problems. at times i thought i needed a shrink because i would have these ups and downs, but it's all part of love in my opinion. good luck to you and keep talking. we'll all try to help as much as possible.
 

Electric Amish

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Dude! Relax!

How's that for advice?? :)

Nothing will happen that cannot be overcome.

Just relax a little and allow things to progress. You can't spend your life worrying about everything. Bad things are bound to happen...as are good things. If you don't allow relationships to progress, you'll probably never know how they'll end up...

Unless you're like me that happened upon my first and only gf, now my wife of 8 years, in high school. ;)

It sounds like you enjoy here company. That's a good start.

Just remember this..

There is nothing you can do to prevent the hardships life offers. No matter what you try and do, something will get to you. Accept it, deal with it, and move on.

Anyway, that's my philosophy.

amish