Opinions on seatbelt/helmet laws?

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus


Actually, it is. We, the people, made it the governments job.

It seems that nearly all the points you make have no grounding in reality. You can concoct a nonsensical, roundabout explanation for anything.

I guess when the majority of the population votes for something, and the federal government strikes it down and says "you can't have that", then that's also a good idea? They're serving us?

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Riiight, so the medical personel just see you lying there and say well, he wasn't wearing his seatbelt...we must let him bleed to death.

What about the cost to clean the dead carcass from the side of the road? That costs money too. Do we just leave the remains there for the family to pick up when they get around to it? Better yet, lets put his head on a stake and plant it in the ground at the spot he died as a lesson to others. :roll:

Do you ever attempt to make rational points, or do you squarely go for the emotional, politician-type arguments?

"Won't someone just think of the children?"

"Are you saying that we should kill puppies?"

"I think that world peace is a good idea."

Because your post is sooo rational...:roll:

"I say it's wrong therefore it is!"

 

[BlancoNino]

Our government has decided that it is THEIR job to protect us from ourselves. How retarded is that?

 

[Captante]

Luckily those who feel seatbelt & helmet laws are BS are a minority in most states, bad news is that one of the exceptions is my home state, Connecticut, where we have a seatbelt law of course, but no helmet law! (duh!!!)
Now honestly, I don't want to seem too harsh but if you've been riding for a few years & understand the risk but are still stupid enough to ride without a lid and other protective gear like leather or kevlar jacket, you pretty much deserve the pain & suffering you have coming WHEN you go down! (note I don't say "if")
My problem is the morons I see weaving traffic at 90+ wearing shorts, sneakers & little else, never mind helmets.. often with an equally dumb female perched on the rear of the bike... its obvious most of these idiots have no idea what it feels like when the nurse in the ER cleans the gravel out of your road-rash with a scrub-brush! (And thats if your lucky!) Connecticut needs a helmet law to protect these idiots.
I've been riding for 20 years & have seen many wipeout's and gone down myself several times, I've personally witnessed somone die going down at about 30mph because he wasn't wearing a helmet & I've also seen someone grind the entire lower half of their full-face Bell away while sliding down I-95 after coming off at over 100mph, then get up & walk away... anyone who tells you its not safer riding with a helmet is retarded!

Finally, (& more on-topic! ) insuring my 1200cc sportbike costs about $400 per year in Connecticut, despite the fact that I have a clean driving record & again have been riding for a long time... in NY State they have a helmet law & the same year of insurance is about $175... just what do you suppose we can attribute the extra cost to?

 

[thebigdude]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Riiight, so the medical personel just see you lying there and say well, he wasn't wearing his seatbelt...we must let him bleed to death.

What about the cost to clean the dead carcass from the side of the road? That costs money too. Do we just leave the remains there for the family to pick up when they get around to it? Better yet, lets put his head on a stake and plant it in the ground at the spot he died as a lesson to others. :roll:

Do you ever attempt to make rational points, or do you squarely go for the emotional, politician-type arguments?

"Won't someone just think of the children?"

"Are you saying that we should kill puppies?"

"I think that world peace is a good idea."

Because your post is sooo rational...:roll:

"I say it's wrong therefore it is!"

And there's a point for Jules.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Captante


Finally, (& more on-topic! ) insuring my 1200cc sportbike costs about $400 per year in Connecticut, despite the fact that I have a clean driving record & again have been riding for a long time... in NY State they have a helmet law & the same year of insurance is about $175... just what do you suppose we can attribute the extra cost to?

How about instead we have insurance policies that won't cover medical expenses if the person wasn't wearing a helmet/protective gear?

 

[thebigdude]

Originally posted by: Captante

Finally, (& more on-topic! ) insuring my 1200cc sportbike costs about $400 per year in Connecticut, despite the fact that I have a clean driving record & again have been riding for a long time... in NY State they have a helmet law & the same year of insurance is about $175... just what do you suppose we can attribute the extra cost to?

The laws don't just save lives they save people money. Good post. It makes me wonder if anything has happened to the rates in PA in the last couple of years since they repealed the helmet law there.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: thebigdude

Originally posted by: Captante

Finally, (& more on-topic! ) insuring my 1200cc sportbike costs about $400 per year in Connecticut, despite the fact that I have a clean driving record & again have been riding for a long time... in NY State they have a helmet law & the same year of insurance is about $175... just what do you suppose we can attribute the extra cost to?

The laws don't just save lives they save people money. Good post. It makes me wonder if anything has happened to the rates in PA in the last couple of years since they repealed the helmet law there.

See my above post. The insurance companies DO NOT have to cover medical expenses if they weren't wearing their helmet.

 

[Kelemvor]

I don't care if adults wear their seatbelts or not. I'm fine with weeding out the gene pool.

However, those same adults are usually too stupid to evne put a seatbelt on their children which is why laws are needed. THe idiocy of the parents shouldn't be the cause of harm or death to their innocent children.

 

[91TTZ]

You gotta love the non-thinkers here. Their reasoning is that if I don't support a seatbelt law, then I must be one of those guys who never wears his seatbelt, all the while ignoring the fact that I've repeatedly said that I always wear mine.

Could it really be possible that I think wearing a seatbelt is a good idea, but that I disagree with the government slowly trying to control every aspect of our lives?

 

[SlitheryDee]

Everyone is discussing the financial reasons for seatbelt/helmet laws when it's really the bleeding-heart do-gooders that scream the loudest who get laws like these passed. I'm talking about the ones who just know that most of America is too dumb to make sensible decisions for itself. That's why we make laws to account for the lowest common denominator right?

I realize that a LOT of people are dumb. I also realize that they are sooo lucky to live in a country that coddles and babysits them and will defy nature in it's efforts to see them to a withered old fat and happy death in a state funded nursing home, despite their efforts to take themselves out of our misery.

Wow my first rant...

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You gotta love the non-thinkers here. Their reasoning is that if I don't support a sealbelt law, then I must be one of those guys who never wears his seatbelt, all the while ignoring the fact that I've repeatedly said that I always wear mine.

it's a reasonable assumption to make that if someone thinks the seatbelt law is total BS that they probably aren't wearing one.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Everyone is discussing the financial reasons for seatbelt/helmet laws when it's really the bleeding-heart do-gooders that scream the loudest who get laws like these passed. I'm talking about the ones who just know that most of America is too dumb to make sensible decisions for itself. That's why we make laws to account for the lowest common denominator right?

I realize that a LOT of people are dumb. I also realize that they are sooo lucky to live in a country that coddles and babysits them and will defy nature in it's efforts to see them to a withered old fat and happy death in a state funded nursing home, despite their efforts to take themselves out of our misery.

Wow my first rant...

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[thebigdude]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

Originally posted by: thebigdude

Originally posted by: Captante

Finally, (& more on-topic! ) insuring my 1200cc sportbike costs about $400 per year in Connecticut, despite the fact that I have a clean driving record & again have been riding for a long time... in NY State they have a helmet law & the same year of insurance is about $175... just what do you suppose we can attribute the extra cost to?

The laws don't just save lives they save people money. Good post. It makes me wonder if anything has happened to the rates in PA in the last couple of years since they repealed the helmet law there.

See my above post. The insurance companies DO NOT have to cover medical expenses if they weren't wearing their helmet.

The only problem I have with your post is my friend Tony wrecking on his motorcycle when he wasn't wearing his helmet and his insurance company picking up the tab for his medical bills.

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: thebigdude
The only problem I have with your post is my friend Tony wrecking on his motorcycle when he wasn't wearing his helmet and his insurance company picking up the tab for his medical bills.

Um...then we agree. Like I said...insurance companies DO NOT have to cover medical expenses for those who don't wear helmets...and they shouldn't. That would lower the cost for everyone instead of letting the government stick it's big fat hairy ugly nasty fist in everything.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You gotta love the non-thinkers here. Their reasoning is that if I don't support a sealbelt law, then I must be one of those guys who never wears his seatbelt, all the while ignoring the fact that I've repeatedly said that I always wear mine.

it's a reasonable assumption to make that if someone thinks the seatbelt law is total BS that they probably aren't wearing one.

You know what they say about assuming, don't you?

Especially after I declared right from the beginning that I DO wear mine. So what you'd have in this example is a bad case of selective reading, poor reading comprehension, and incorrect assumptions.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Everyone is discussing the financial reasons for seatbelt/helmet laws when it's really the bleeding-heart do-gooders that scream the loudest who get laws like these passed. I'm talking about the ones who just know that most of America is too dumb to make sensible decisions for itself. That's why we make laws to account for the lowest common denominator right?

I realize that a LOT of people are dumb. I also realize that they are sooo lucky to live in a country that coddles and babysits them and will defy nature in it's efforts to see them to a withered old fat and happy death in a state funded nursing home, despite their efforts to take themselves out of our misery.

Wow my first rant...

Exactly. The nanny-staters should be dealt with harshly (and they are, which is why they can't win an election even when they're up against an idiot)

Reasoning like this makes me want to puke: "Stupidity isn't punishable by death. If you're too dumb to wear a helmet by choice, you need the government to protect you, not just for your sake, but the sake of your family, friends, employer, other insurance customers, etc. "

"Just say no" to a nanny-state.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
You gotta love the non-thinkers here. Their reasoning is that if I don't support a sealbelt law, then I must be one of those guys who never wears his seatbelt, all the while ignoring the fact that I've repeatedly said that I always wear mine.

it's a reasonable assumption to make that if someone thinks the seatbelt law is total BS that they probably aren't wearing one.

You know what they say about assuming, don't you?

Especially after I declared right from the beginning that I DO wear mine. So what you'd have in this example is a bad case of selective reading, poor reading comprehension, and incorrect assumptions.

let someone who's never made a reasonable assumption cast the first stone.

not poor reading comprehension douchebag. i didn't read every post. i couldn't care less. you calling this a BS law stuck out like a sore thumb though.

 

[Journer]

i cant figure out how cops tell you're not wearing a seatbelt...maybe my eyes just suck that bad or maybe they just slap it onto your speeding ticket if you get caught....

i have a couple friends that dont wear their seatbelt...i dont think it is mainly do too laziness, just forgetfulness...one of them has no prob with seatbelt...just for one reason or another he forgets to put it on...this is extremely weird to me because if i dont have one on i feel extremely uncomfortable and as if something isnt right...maybe my parrents pounded it into my head when i was young (i beleive so)?

also, another friends NEVER wears her seatbelt...i cant figure it out...i will have to sit there for like..5mins arguing with her to put it on...it is so much BS...she has no reason not to wear it other than just because she wants to be a rebel...as if not wearing your seatbelts constitutes as one...on top of that, she got in a wreck and almost broke her neck and she STILL wont wear it... >( wtf is wrong with these people!?!)

another thing you have to think about is where do we draw the line? I think it would be a good idea to install a bretholizer in all cars (cant start unless under limit) to cut down on drunk driving, but you have to think about the people who never drink...should they be inconvienced? are they willing to go through that little trouble to cut down on DD? Also, for the DDs...is it an invasion of their rights/privacy?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

not poor reading comprehension douchebag. i didn't read every post. i couldn't care less. you calling this a BS law stuck out like a sore thumb though.

You don't need to read every post, douchebag (you started with the name calling. I wouldn't have called you that otherwise). Just the one you're replying to.

I'm calling it a BS law because I'm capable of thinking objectively instead of emotionally. People who make decisions based on emotions are bound to make bad decisions.

Then again, if I thought like everyone else, I wouldn't have scored in the top 2 percentile. (condescending elitist prick mode=OFF)

 

[KillerCharlie]

If you get rid of the seatbelt law and you get in a bad accident (not wearing a seatbelt), I hope the [government funded] emergency responders just sit there and laugh at your severed body as you bleed to death.

 

[NatePo717]

Everyone should have to wear a seatbelt or a helmet no matter what. If you get caught not doing so by some type of law enforcement they should be allowed to take you down with lethal force. Seeing as how basically anything you hit will kill you anyway they are doing you a favor by giving you a faster and cleaner death where the body will be identifiable.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
If you get rid of the seatbelt law and you get in a bad accident (not wearing a seatbelt), I hope the [government funded] emergency responders just sit there and laugh at your severed body as you bleed to death.

funny, those people aren't such "big talkers" when that happens. suddenly the law isn't so much BS when they are catapulted through the air on impact.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: KillerCharlie
If you get rid of the seatbelt law and you get in a bad accident (not wearing a seatbelt), I hope the [government funded] emergency responders just sit there and laugh at your severed body as you bleed to death.

As opposed to them picking up your severed pieces and rebuilding you on the spot.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Alprazolam
Seatbelt Law= Complete BS. End of Story.

:roll: you're a dumbass.