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[Opinions][Colorado tragedy] Forget about gun laws and think about mental stability.

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TerryMathews said:
Because it's a constitutional right. A driver's license isn't.

Is there anyone who knew this guy was mentally defective before the shooting? There is a process to disqualify someone from gun ownership if the mental defect is known.
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We already have resonable restrictions to constitutional rights. Why would a screening be so unreasonable?
 
T_Yamamoto said:
I don't know much about guns but don't they have a gun licence or something? I feel they should stop selling guns online and such. But much rather have a controlled area.

I agree. Maybe like getting a drivers license.
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Myth 1: You can buy guns online.

False. Firearm purchases online can only be shipped to an FFL, usually a local shop with a federal firearms license, where the dealer participating as a middle man in the transaction must comply with the regular laws regarding form 4473, NICS, verifying ID, etc.

Myth 2: Gun show "loophole"

False. Sellers at gun shows are still required to have a form 4473 filled out by the buyer and run through NICS the same as they would at any gun store.

Myth 3: Licenses will stop someone from getting guns.

They will just.... get the license first! This guy planned months ahead. He would have applied for this "gun license" or whatever before dropping out and buying guns, etc.


Sad fact is this person was 100% clean until he carried this out. Withdrawing from classes or being a loner is *NOT* illegal or probable cause to withhold a person's rights. There was no foreseeing this.

Problem with these types of incidents is everybody wants somebody or something to blame. There isn't anything. There was no way to stop this. Period.
 
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HomerJS said:
Intelligence does not always equate with sanity.
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What the fuck are you talking about? I wrote my post in a very clear and understandable way. Let me break it down into 3rd grade terms for you though since you obviously had trouble with it:

a) suspect took months to carefully plan this attack, down to rigging his apartment with multiple tripwire activated bombs, thus he could have easily prepared to pass a psychological evaluation.

b) suspect was highly motivated, organized, and efficient

c) suspect was far more intelligent than you and 99.99% of people with psych related degrees

Even having a required psych eval in place would not have stopped this. Obviously.
 
HomerJS said:
86 out of 300 million is not hundreds of thousands. Meanwhile fixing a hangnail with a machete disenfranchises hundreds of thousands of eligible voters. That has already been proven.

You do remember Bush won Florida by a little over 500 votes and there were more then that removed from the roles who were elegible.
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....and the military vote and the conservative vote in the panhandle was disenfranchised. That was thousands of votes there.
 
HomerJS said:
That's criminal background. I mean psycological.
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Psych problems will show up and block the transaction with the NICS check.

When did this person ever have psych problems before this incident?

Never.

Are we going to start criminalizing personalities now?

Fortune tellers is your answer to gun violence?

What do you do when somebody has no psych history and the day of a mass shooting is their first incident?
 
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Ex death thanks for the gun tips. I wasn't profiling him. Just restating what I read.

He was clean. Yes.

I'm just wonder what your opinion(everyone's) is on this matter
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Pr0d1gy said:
What the fuck are you talking about? I wrote my post in a very clear and understandable way. Let me break it down into 3rd grade terms for you though since you obviously had trouble with it:

a) suspect took months to carefully plan this attack, down to rigging his apartment with multiple tripwire activated bombs, thus he could have easily prepared to pass a psychological evaluation.

b) suspect was highly motivated, organized, and efficient

c) suspect was far more intelligent than you and 99.99% of people with psych related degrees

Even having a required psych eval in place would not have stopped this. Obviously.
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Actually that's just your opinion. I would prefer an answer from someone who knows something about this subject.

Hey folks I just learned you have to be smart to be insane. Good one!
 
HomerJS said:
That's criminal background. I mean psycological.
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If a psychologist or other doctor has concerns about your mental stability and reports it, it will come back with a negative on a 4473 check.

That's what Obama did to VA financial aid recipients. Classified them as mentally defective because they couldn't pay their bills.
 
exdeath said:
Psych problems will show up and block the transaction with the NICS check.

When did this person ever have psych problems before this incident?

Never.

Are we going to start criminalizing personalities now?

Fortune tellers is your answer to gun violence?

What do you do when somebody has no psych history and the day of a mass shooting is their first incident?
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Maybe not a fortune teller but I would take a licensed professional.
 
So tapatalk won't let me update OP
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What I want this thread to be clean and not about Democrats or Republicans. But rather YOUR honest opinion. With the facts known. What we should do in order for this to not occur again.

For me. I don't think there's a real solution. Our government will always have a battle over gun rules and regulations so a bi partisan agreement on this issue is VERY unlikely.
 
IGBT said:
clearly this guy is a uniBomber type. Highly educated. Apartment strewn with Al Gore books..just like the uniBomber. Probably voted for obama. Frustrated because his obama entitlements failed to materialize. And just like the uniBomber he developed rational to hurt people. I suspect this guy is also on SSRI's or ADD drugs of some sort. Future "discovery" about the shooter should be most interesting.
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I think we just found the test that HomerJS was looking for: classify Obama voters as insane.
 
Nothing can stop this sort of thing. Nothing.

Let that sink in.

People always want something or someone to blame and then follow up with some action (eg: more laws, etc) to help them cope and find peace with incidents like this.

If "something isn't done" even symbolically, people don't have their closure, and remain angry and frustrated.


But there is no way to stop it. There is no way to predict people's actions like Minority Report. "Bad guys" always have the initiative because nobody knows what somebody else is going to do.

That is the price to pay for a free society without curfews, being locked up in your home, and every single individual being monitored 24/7 and subject to the scrutiny of an authority figure's guilty until proven innocent "hunches" that he/she may be up to something no good with every breath.

What you want is 100% lack of freedom and privacy and for government to have the ability to read minds and make subjective arbitrary decisions about who is going to be a bad guy before they have done anything bad.
 
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Agreed. No form of gun control has ever had any positive impacts. Any time wasted considering the weapons is a failure of our society. Fix the actual problems: social programs, political efficacy, economic sustainability, family unit cohesion, homogeneity, mental health care, social/cultural views on violence, sin legislation, greed, wealth concentration, the incarceration racket, etc.
 
PrinceofWands said:
Agreed. No form of gun control has ever had any positive impacts. Any time wasted considering the weapons is a failure of our society. Fix the actual problems: social programs, political efficacy, economic sustainability, family unit cohesion, homogeneity, mental health care, social/cultural views on violence, sin legislation, greed, wealth concentration, the incarceration racket, etc.
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We had some of the most stringent gun control we have ever had in the 70s and 80s as a reaction to the Kennedy and King assassinations. Did it work?
 
TerryMathews said:
So do you want everyone who buys a deadly weapon to undergo a psych eval before hand?
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If the government is going to make some poor old woman travel 80 miles and pay money to obtain documentation as proof for something she has been doing for over 50 years, I have no problem with stopping by for a psych eval before buying a gun.
 
Pr0d1gy said:
What the fuck are you talking about? I wrote my post in a very clear and understandable way. Let me break it down into 3rd grade terms for you though since you obviously had trouble with it:

a) suspect took months to carefully plan this attack, down to rigging his apartment with multiple tripwire activated bombs, thus he could have easily prepared to pass a psychological evaluation.

b) suspect was highly motivated, organized, and efficient

c) suspect was far more intelligent than you and 99.99% of people with psych related degrees

Even having a required psych eval in place would not have stopped this. Obviously.
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Ignorant post is, well, ignorant. There is nothing about being intelligent that excludes one from having a psychiatric disorder. Hell, easiest case in point is John Nash. Brilliant, and severely schizophrenic.
 
PrinceofWands said:
Agreed. No form of gun control has ever had any positive impacts. Any time wasted considering the weapons is a failure of our society. Fix the actual problems: social programs, political efficacy, economic sustainability, family unit cohesion, homogeneity, mental health care, social/cultural views on violence, sin legislation, greed, wealth concentration, the incarceration racket, etc.
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As someone who often thinks PoW is on the wrong side of the crazy line, I think he couldn't be any more spot on right here. People want to point at something extremely tangible for blame (guns), rather than turning the finger around and blaming ourselves.
 
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