Opinion: Jordan Peterson has always been a crank

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Pontius Dilate

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I am going to try to go over this slowly but no matter what I say if you don't want to see it you won't unfortunately.

I should ask first if you have ever been diagnosed as socially challenged, not picking up on body language or situational context, etc, Asperger’s Syndrome etc. I am at times amazed by how much I think you miss. Just saying. it's not that I'm looking to put you down, but to change how I talk with you if you have those kinds of issues. I break a lot of social rules to illustrate the behaviors I witness in myself and other people, stuff people with such conditions would likely have more than the usual problem navigating.

This statement of yours is where it began:

“The VIce conversation about sexual harassment in the workplace, specifically the purpose of makeup segment. Jordan was rapid-firing statements and questions to disrupt his interlocutor, repeatedly interrupting him, posing rhetorical questions he immediately answered himself, then asking a question and waiting until his interlocutor gets out a partial response and pouncing before he's finished speaking. It was very manipulative and designed to put his counterpart off balance and keep him there. Jordan hates it when someone tries to do it to him.”

This statement of yours was already debunked as horse shit and here you go repeating the same claim. To assassinate Petersons character the way that you did after having been told contradicting information is rather nasty and evil. Your characterization of him in this way can therefore be seen as morally corrupt and deserving of the same level of character assassionation you so blithely engaged in and why, because you can’t alter your viewpoint even with countervailing evidence. Shame on you. Such rejection and ignoring of points of view that lay bare the shallowness of your reasoning are for a liberal brain, painfully disgusting and profoundly contemptuous. What I did was to show you how your behavior would look in your very own eyes were you capable of seeing what you really did. You treated Peterson to the same contemptuousness as you would treat yourself if you could actually see what you did.

Here I reminded you for the second time of the context you failed to account for:

“Peterson was thrown into a confusing and irritating situation where he and the students were lied to by the assholes that set up the debate. They told him he would be debating Atheists and they were told they would be debating Christians and what happened in the debate was the intended absurdity that followed. What you saw was a person unknowingly set up, facing endless questions and badgering on a subject irrelevant to the reason he agreed to and expected would ensue.

Your moral outrage, were you to see those facts, should be directed at the swine who set him and those students up like that. You have so far shown no comprehension at all of your continued misapprehension of Peterson’s behavior. As a human being you should tone down the ease with which you deal out your righteous indignation.

And that is why I said:

“How many times do we have to go over the fact he was told he would be debating atheists and they were told they would be debating a Christian.”

And here comes the sarcasm, mine not yours:

“I am now so profoundly offended with your endless stupidity and inability to understand context that I am experiencing all kinds of urges to beat you to death, you obnoxious brain dead twit.” This is the behavior you implied was behind Peterson’s assault on those poor rationally minded students because they kept asking him to debate something completely off topic and having nothing to do with the topic of Atheism. You did what you accused him of doing so I did it to you so you might experience what it can be like to be judged as a worth piece of shit and with irrational moral outrage.

Don’t deal what you can’t take on rebound. So my coarse words to you were not delivered out of a state of real exasperation or rage. They were there to show you what lack of charity to others looks like first hand. This is a request to wake up.

Here I attempted to tell you the real intention behind my words and so far you are having none of it:

“Naturally, of course I know you can’t help yourself. You have become profoundly offended by your own imagination thinking that Peterson isn’t human and unlike me too enlightened to ever really feel such confused impatience.”

I am saying that I am not reacting to you out of the level of confusion Peterson’s and those students were put through. I find you to be irritatingly obtuse in so far as I am also by temperament irritated by the irrational, but all of that is moderated in me by the apperception that that kind of ability to be triggered is no less insane and irrational.

I am of the opinion that people are asleep, that they are motivated by unconscious forces they could not have survived this vicious world without, but can’t consciously control. In a state of sleep nobody can be classically guilty of anything. There is no way on earth that I could ever actually wish you to be beaten, much less to death.

I tried to explain that here:

“You probably thought I was being serious in my attack on you because you actually feel like a twit and imagine I can see right through you. Rest assured, I am fully aware you just can’t help yourself because you do not know how you really feel. You are actually quite normally blind and unaware. Don't get stressed over it. Self awareness isn’t easy and requires gentle patience I feel.”

“You are really lousy at sarcasm as well as reading comprehension. Try to be aware of that.”

Here I try to explain to you that the sarcasm was all mine and not you being lousy at doing it. I put you down not out of real contempt but to do to you what you really did to Peterson.”

More of the same:

“All I did was show you what a gentle loving Moonbeam would look like if he were the Jordan Peterson you tried to make out him as being. Imagine you had been invited before the world to debate what you say as the problems with Atheistic belief and the questions you got were all about how you think monkey shit smells because the other side of the debate was told that's what you came to discuss. Have some compassion for people who were manipulated and lied to about what the debate was about and you had no idea the other side was told something different than you in order to generate a debate in which you would inevitable be asked things that had nothing whatsoever with why you came. Your words murder Peterson and your motivation sucks. I showed you what you look like to me. The only difference is that I don't care you think that way because your inner rage was inevitable as a result of having been murdered as a child.”

So, if you can comprehend what I say above and see any truth to it perhaps you will listen again to this:

“My advice, be nicer to others because how you treat them is how you treat the them that is really only a projection of how you unconsciously feel about yourself. My aim is to help you see. What you do with what I say is not something I have any ability to control. I will do my best for you even if it's not much. I am not plagued by any uncertainty that life is good and that God is a projection of what you can become. To be a real potential the result has to be real. This is a mystical fact that is seen with the onset of an altered conscious state, as I see it.”
Thank you for offering to moderate your tone for what you perceive to be my disabilities. You may not be aware that your posting history shows that you speak to everyone largely the same ways, mainly arrogant pronouncements about their inability to comprehend the depths of your wisdom mixed with healthy dollops of sophistry and the occasional fawning sycophancy when you want someone to like you. Moderation isn't really something you have to offer.

My statement on the Vice conversation wasn't debunked, you just disagree. That you can't see the difference is part and parcel. You are of course welcome to cast aspersions on me as I do on Jordan, how could you do otherwise?

I never commented specifically on the Jubilee episode. That whole setup is complete useless click-bait horseshit and I well believe that Jordan didn't know what he was getting into. It's immaterial to what I've said about him.

I certainly misunderstood what you meant when you said I was bad at sarcasm. Perhaps if you wrote with more precision I would have been more likely to understand, but that's not your style. Still, I'll take responsibility. There's nothing in what you wrote in the beat me to death speech that would possibly suggest your were speaking as Jordan Peterson would to me if he were who you thought I thought he was. That all occurred in your head and spilled out without context. That's on you. You should be more careful.

Your final paragraph is classic Moonbeam: "Do as I say ,not as I do. You should follow these rules of courteous and respectful discourse, but they do not apply to me, for in my enlightened mission to help everyone rise up out of the muck of their ignorance I am required to treat others poorly. While that would be projection if you did it, it's not when I do it."
 

Pontius Dilate

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I believe that is what you think but you present a chain of reasoning that does not lead to the conclusion you draw. He isn't deliberately dissembling or operating in bad faith. He is telling the interviewer he the interviewer is assuming they are on the same page regarding what it means to be a Christian. Do you think for a second what Peterson believes being a Christian requires is anything remotely like what the interviewer believes one is. You are apparently motivated not to see that obvious fact. You are stuffed full of what are only opinions and fail to read the room.
That's not what I said or what I meant. I meant that on this occasion it turns out Jordan does know what believe means, but on other occasions being asked the same question he doesn't. He is not dissembling on this occasion because he has what he perceives to be a friendly interviewer who will ensure he looks good, but on other occasions he will dissemble because he needs to establish control.
 
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I find it interesting how JP opens up with an assertion that he clearly pulled out of his ass and you're like "everything is fine because this lines up with my beliefs", then when he's got that line of bullshit out there without a challenge, he retreats to his usual "I'm not really saying anything, who me?" position.
They were discussing possibilities of preventing sexual harassment in the workplace. Why is JP the bad guy for suggesting a possible solution? The other guy had no good ideas. Why do people in such discussions put the whole onus for sexual harassment on the male co-workers and expect them to "behave" or subdue their sexual feelings especially when women come out with boobs flying left and right and pretending to be innocent? It's like males in the discussion suddenly forget about the male sexual response or their own puberty all the way up to their 30s.

I've had at least two instances where I could've cried sexual harassment but only if I were a woman. Once, in my office where I was slightly bent and looking at the monitor when this older woman slid her hand on my butt from behind. I pretended nothing happened because I thought maybe she was in a "sexual" mood and I was not interested in getting into some scandal at that point in my life. The only evidence would have been camera footage and funnily, no one caught that incident in their usual monitoring.

Second time, I was at a Chinese medical center and this older nurse lightly slapped my butt while I was in my underwear and wearing my undershirt after the cupping procedure was finished. This time, there was no camera and I'm not sure what her intentions were (did she do this regularly with her other patients?). Both times, I could've raised a sexual harassment claim but I didn't despite both instances being inappropriate touch. Yet, had I done the same thing, I wouldn't have gotten to instance No.2 and my professional life would've ended for good from all the drama created by the crocodile tears of the woman accusing me, even if it had been just a silly bump on the butt and nothing more.

Why is it such a horrible crime to even speak about red lipstick and high heels being a possible contributor to sexual harassment? Why does everyone suddenly feel the need to defend the slightest inconvenience to women, even when they might be wearing tight tops with half of their bosom spilling out and short skirts? Why do people pretend that men could be like kids in the playground where boys and girls play together almost harmoniously and completely discount the factor of sexual feelings that is missing in kids and hence their harmonious play behavior?
 

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They were discussing possibilities of preventing sexual harassment in the workplace. Why is JP the bad guy for suggesting a possible solution? The other guy had no good ideas. Why do people in such discussions put the whole onus for sexual harassment on the male co-workers and expect them to "behave" or subdue their sexual feelings especially when women come out with boobs flying left and right and pretending to be innocent? It's like males in the discussion suddenly forget about the male sexual response or their own puberty all the way up to their 30s.

I've had at least two instances where I could've cried sexual harassment but only if I were a woman. Once, in my office where I was slightly bent and looking at the monitor when this older woman slid her hand on my butt from behind. I pretended nothing happened because I thought maybe she was in a "sexual" mood and I was not interested in getting into some scandal at that point in my life. The only evidence would have been camera footage and funnily, no one caught that incident in their usual monitoring.

Second time, I was at a Chinese medical center and this older nurse lightly slapped my butt while I was in my underwear and wearing my undershirt after the cupping procedure was finished. This time, there was no camera and I'm not sure what her intentions were (did she do this regularly with her other patients?). Both times, I could've raised a sexual harassment claim but I didn't despite both instances being inappropriate touch. Yet, had I done the same thing, I wouldn't have gotten to instance No.2 and my professional life would've ended for good from all the drama created by the crocodile tears of the woman accusing me, even if it had been just a silly bump on the butt and nothing more.

Why is it such a horrible crime to even speak about red lipstick and high heels being a possible contributor to sexual harassment? Why does everyone suddenly feel the need to defend the slightest inconvenience to women, even when they might be wearing tight tops with half of their bosom spilling out and short skirts? Why do people pretend that men could be like kids in the playground where boys and girls play together almost harmoniously and completely discount the factor of sexual feelings that is missing in kids and hence their harmonious play behavior?

More whack a fallacy
 

ch33zw1z

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More being lazy :)

That’s it? Ok, more projection from you. I provided the link more than once, maybe you should review it yourself and critique your own ability or lack thereof to process data. Besides, moonie and you have already hand waved away critical thinking as “egg heads” who lack emotion. Another quaint little purity test designed to ensure your egos stay in tact alongside the mystical emotional reasoning. Give it a shot, and report back how lazy you feel after honestly critiquing yourself.

You’re rinse repeating the same things that have already been said, and answered.
 

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They were discussing possibilities of preventing sexual harassment in the workplace. Why is JP the bad guy for suggesting a possible solution? The other guy had no good ideas. Why do people in such discussions put the whole onus for sexual harassment on the male co-workers and expect them to "behave" or subdue their sexual feelings especially when women come out with boobs flying left and right and pretending to be innocent? It's like males in the discussion suddenly forget about the male sexual response or their own puberty all the way up to their 30s.

I've had at least two instances where I could've cried sexual harassment but only if I were a woman. Once, in my office where I was slightly bent and looking at the monitor when this older woman slid her hand on my butt from behind. I pretended nothing happened because I thought maybe she was in a "sexual" mood and I was not interested in getting into some scandal at that point in my life. The only evidence would have been camera footage and funnily, no one caught that incident in their usual monitoring.

Second time, I was at a Chinese medical center and this older nurse lightly slapped my butt while I was in my underwear and wearing my undershirt after the cupping procedure was finished. This time, there was no camera and I'm not sure what her intentions were (did she do this regularly with her other patients?). Both times, I could've raised a sexual harassment claim but I didn't despite both instances being inappropriate touch. Yet, had I done the same thing, I wouldn't have gotten to instance No.2 and my professional life would've ended for good from all the drama created by the crocodile tears of the woman accusing me, even if it had been just a silly bump on the butt and nothing more.

Why is it such a horrible crime to even speak about red lipstick and high heels being a possible contributor to sexual harassment? Why does everyone suddenly feel the need to defend the slightest inconvenience to women, even when they might be wearing tight tops with half of their bosom spilling out and short skirts? Why do people pretend that men could be like kids in the playground where boys and girls play together almost harmoniously and completely discount the factor of sexual feelings that is missing in kids and hence their harmonious play behavior?
Oh the Tucker Carlson “I’m just asking asking questions” approach to spouting bullshit.
 

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They were discussing possibilities of preventing sexual harassment in the workplace. Why is JP the bad guy for suggesting a possible solution? The other guy had no good ideas. Why do people in such discussions put the whole onus for sexual harassment on the male co-workers and expect them to "behave" or subdue their sexual feelings especially when women come out with boobs flying left and right and pretending to be innocent? It's like males in the discussion suddenly forget about the male sexual response or their own puberty all the way up to their 30s.

I've had at least two instances where I could've cried sexual harassment but only if I were a woman. Once, in my office where I was slightly bent and looking at the monitor when this older woman slid her hand on my butt from behind. I pretended nothing happened because I thought maybe she was in a "sexual" mood and I was not interested in getting into some scandal at that point in my life. The only evidence would have been camera footage and funnily, no one caught that incident in their usual monitoring.

Second time, I was at a Chinese medical center and this older nurse lightly slapped my butt while I was in my underwear and wearing my undershirt after the cupping procedure was finished. This time, there was no camera and I'm not sure what her intentions were (did she do this regularly with her other patients?). Both times, I could've raised a sexual harassment claim but I didn't despite both instances being inappropriate touch. Yet, had I done the same thing, I wouldn't have gotten to instance No.2 and my professional life would've ended for good from all the drama created by the crocodile tears of the woman accusing me, even if it had been just a silly bump on the butt and nothing more.

Why is it such a horrible crime to even speak about red lipstick and high heels being a possible contributor to sexual harassment? Why does everyone suddenly feel the need to defend the slightest inconvenience to women, even when they might be wearing tight tops with half of their bosom spilling out and short skirts? Why do people pretend that men could be like kids in the playground where boys and girls play together almost harmoniously and completely discount the factor of sexual feelings that is missing in kids and hence their harmonious play behavior?

igor, if you don't understand the point I was making, then just ask me to elaborate. At no point in your response did you indicate an understanding of my point.
 
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igor, if you don't understand the point I was making, then just ask me to elaborate. At no point in your response did you indicate an understanding of my point.
I do get what you are saying. But what I don't understand is when did it become unacceptable to say your suggestions out loud in a debate? JP did say the stuff about lipstick and high heels. But it was a suggestion. Not a recommendation. He is not behind enforcing it. He was merely informing the interviewer that this could be a possible solution. It seems disingenuous that you then take this suggestion as proof of a typical JP debate tactic. Is floating ideas around now a debate tactic? It wasn't even a real debate. Just a discussion on probable causes of sexual harassment and possible solutions to mitigate it. No one was the winner or the loser. I simply don't see how this makes JP look bad.
 

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Thanks for that. Now we just need to determine what is thought, what is opinion, and what is instinct.
Thanks for providing your quote, that you misquoted as mine? You're welcome I guess.
Wouldn’t thought be what is expressed by language with all of the past emotional associations with words coloring what is heard as being expresses,
Possible, but not guaranteed. Influence of our subconcious on thinking is understood. There are some people whole challenge their perceptions, and look to discard emotional bias in their thoughts.
and opinions also thoughts ipexpressed in colored words stated without air tight logical proof.
Depends, some opinions are held due to the logical proof. See, some opinions are based on what is.
So what then would knowing truth from falseness instinctively be? Perhaps at a minimum, then, it would not be thoughts or opinions put into words, which is everything we have said but which I have just night have some relationship to the source of knowing you know nothing. Are you saying that is your condition? I do.
Instinctual a very subjective. Humans are picking up on different variables to determine what they instinctually think or feel. In this way we are similar to other creatures, but we also identify it as a feature, something others creatures don't really do.
And if in fact you are a know nothing what sort of ignorant asshole have I been talking to making all those claims?
/shrug.

of course, you can always consult a dictionary for a better understanding of words.

edit: I meant to mention that it's nice how you just kinda don't even mention your false dilemma designed to not fail your perspective :)
 
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cytg111

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Holy shit.

A woman putting her hand on your ass is not the same thing as you putting your hand on hers. Why? Cause you can bash her brains in with one hand tied behind your back.
Not saying its cool, but at the same time, not the same.

Dis bonkers. Anyway.
 

cytg111

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Thanks for providing your quote, that you misquoted as mine? You're welcome I guess.

Possible, but not guaranteed. Influence of our subconcious on thinking is understood. There are some people whole challenge their perceptions, and look to discard emotional bias in their thoughts.

Depends, some opinions are held due to the logical proof. See, some opinions are based on what is.

Instinctual a very subjective. Humans are picking up on different variables to determine what they instinctually think or feel. In this way we are similar to other creatures, but we also identify it as a feature, something others creatures don't really do.

/shrug.

of course, you can always consult a dictionary for a better understanding of words.
But what do you mean by words?
 
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I do get what you are saying. But what I don't understand is when did it become unacceptable to say your suggestions out loud in a debate? JP did say the stuff about lipstick and high heels. But it was a suggestion. Not a recommendation. He is not behind enforcing it. He was merely informing the interviewer that this could be a possible solution. It seems disingenuous that you then take this suggestion as proof of a typical JP debate tactic. Is floating ideas around now a debate tactic? It wasn't even a real debate. Just a discussion on probable causes of sexual harassment and possible solutions to mitigate it. No one was the winner or the loser. I simply don't see how this makes JP look bad.

This is still a reiteration of your previous post and conveys nothing new. What do you think I was referring to when I wrote this:

"JP opens up with an assertion that he clearly pulled out of his ass"
 

ch33zw1z

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What questions should I ask myself?
quite* the choice you have before you:

1. Do you want to process data as error free as possible?
2. Would you prefer to live life outside of a emotionally driven reality?
3. Are you ready to challenge yourself and the people around you?
4. Are you sick and tired of "feeling" like you don't know how to make sense of the world around you?

If you answer yes to these questions, then you desire to challenge yourself and expand your mind, your abilities, control your emotional responses, and live a happier life. You only have control of yourself: e.g. - words and actions. Accepting that you can't control others is a great first step in your journey to betterment.


Many other bits of information on that site if you want to learn more. We're all emotional creatures to some extent, but not allowing emotions to dictate everything in your life is very freeing.

Here's an example from the bottom of the above link that depicts a common question ask globally, and how rhetorical fallacies are used casually in response.


edits: correcting some spelling and grammar errors.
 
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dank69

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Holy shit.

A woman putting her hand on your ass is not the same thing as you putting your hand on hers. Why? Cause you can bash her brains in with one hand tied behind your back.
Not saying its cool, but at the same time, not the same.

Dis bonkers. Anyway.
Yeah men have no problem understanding "treat every gun as if it were loaded" but then fail to see the exact same logic behind women treating every male as if he could be dangerous. Doesn't matter if 99.9% of the time the gun isn't loaded, the consequences of that 0.01% are too dire to ignore.
 

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Yeah men have no problem understanding "treat every gun as if it were loaded" but then fail to see the exact same logic behind women treating every male as if he could be dangerous. Doesn't matter if 99.9% of the time the gun isn't loaded, the consequences of that 0.01% are too dire to ignore.
That is a brilliant but also damning analogy
 

ch33zw1z

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Holy shit.

A woman putting her hand on your ass is not the same thing as you putting your hand on hers. Why? Cause you can bash her brains in with one hand tied behind your back.
Not saying its cool, but at the same time, not the same.

Dis bonkers. Anyway.

regardless, unwanted advances are grounds for sexual harassment claims. using personal experience to assume everyone experiences the same thing is pretty dumb though. For instance, I claim I've never been sexually harassed. that doesn't mean nobody else has. The same logic applies to employers and employees in many areas. This is why real data and critical thinking are so important.
 
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regardless, unwanted advances are grounds for sexual harassment claims. using personal experience to assume everyone experiences the same thing is pretty dumb though. For instance, I claim I've never been sexually harassed. that doesn't mean nobody else has. The same logic applies to employers and employees in many areas. This is why real data and critical thinking are so important.
True true... trueish ;).
We will never be able to dial it in here cause all the context of a situation in motion and the exchange up to a given inflection point is lost in this format.

On one hand, hand on arse as an opening move is wild either way.

On the other hand how are you going to collect the information that further advances is unwanted without a first move to begin with?

That is where the whole me2 thing breaks into hysteria imo. I mean if we were to lock it down like that it'd be the end of the species. No more babies. Just fucking be respectful and accept a no or lose a limb. No means no. We dont have to prosecute a dude just for taking a shot.

You dont know if your advance is going to be wanted or unwanted till after the fact
Punishment is death
Therefor you never advance at all.

Simple logic ;)
 

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True true... trueish ;).
We will never be able to dial it in here cause all the context of a situation in motion and the exchange up to a given inflection point is lost in this format.

On one hand, hand on arse as an opening move is wild either way.

On the other hand how are you going to collect the information that further advances is unwanted without a first move to begin with?

That is where the whole me2 thing breaks into hysteria imo. I mean if we were to lock it down like that it'd be the end of the species. No more babies. Just fucking be respectful and accept a no or lose a limb. No means no. We dont have to prosecute a dude just for taking a shot.

You dont know if your advance is going to be wanted or unwanted till after the fact
Punishment is death
Therefor you never advance at all.

Simple logic ;)

Contextually, people have a good idea if advances are appropriate or not. At work? don't do it. At a bar? give it a shot. Appropriate versus desired can be subjective, however, contrary to JP's assertion appropriate is well defined in our workplaces. "Nobody knows the rules" is obviously not true.
 
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You dont know if your advance is going to be wanted or unwanted till after the fact
Punishment is death
Therefor you never advance at all.
This is what women want.

They want ALL men to behave like good little doggies.

Then they want to choose a subset of those doggies and give them "hints" that they want them to make a move.
Some doggies succeed. Some, for whatever reason, are too cautious and the woman takes it as "he thinks he's too good for me" and may take revenge by lying about an unwelcome advance that never happened.

Some doggies were successful but things went downhill after the fact. Woman decides to point the finger at them too even though whatever happened was consensual. Woman can conveniently claim that she never gave her consent.

This leaves out the doggies she never allowed to make an advance. To think not even one of these doggies will harbor resentment against the woman, is pure fantasy.
 
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Contextually, people have a good idea if advances are appropriate or not. At work? don't do it. At a bar? give it a shot. Appropriate versus desired can be subjective, however, contrary to JP's assertion appropriate is well defined in our workplaces. "Nobody knows the rules" is obviously not true.
We should do a study on how much of the population is a direct consequence of inter work chemistry exchanges ;)
 
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This is what women want.

They want ALL men to behave like good little doggies.

Then they want to choose a subset of those doggies and give them "hints" that they want them to make a move.
Some doggies succeed. Some, for whatever reason, are too cautious and the woman takes it as "he thinks he's too good for me" and may take revenge by lying about an unwelcome advance that never happened.

Some doggies were successful but things went downhill after the fact. Woman decides to point the finger at them too even though whatever happened was consensual. Woman can conveniently claim that she never gave her consent.

This leaves out the doggies she never allowed to make an advance. To think not even one of these doggies will harbor resentment against the woman, is pure fantasy.
Your tendency to portray "something some women might do" as "something all women will do" is astounding.
 

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This is what women want.

They want ALL men to behave like good little doggies.

Then they want to choose a subset of those doggies and give them "hints" that they want them to make a move.
Some doggies succeed. Some, for whatever reason, are too cautious and the woman takes it as "he thinks he's too good for me" and may take revenge by lying about an unwelcome advance that never happened.

Some doggies were successful but things went downhill after the fact. Woman decides to point the finger at them too even though whatever happened was consensual. Woman can conveniently claim that she never gave her consent.

This leaves out the doggies she never allowed to make an advance. To think not even one of these doggies will harbor resentment against the woman, is pure fantasy.

There's that emotional reasoning we mentioned.
 
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This is what women want.

They want ALL men to behave like good little doggies.

Then they want to choose a subset of those doggies and give them "hints" that they want them to make a move.
Some doggies succeed. Some, for whatever reason, are too cautious and the woman takes it as "he thinks he's too good for me" and may take revenge by lying about an unwelcome advance that never happened.

Some doggies were successful but things went downhill after the fact. Woman decides to point the finger at them too even though whatever happened was consensual. Woman can conveniently claim that she never gave her consent.

This leaves out the doggies she never allowed to make an advance. To think not even one of these doggies will harbor resentment against the woman, is pure fantasy.

DUUUDE

I am telling you, something is wrong with your head. For your own sake at least have it checked out? Please!

I am not saying that this woman dont exist, of course she does, personally I have just avoided them, they're few and far apart... PLENTY of awesome beautiful smart caring loving women outthere if you go look for them... But I feel you are all about your own bias confirmation... and it makes sense, easier to blame others for a situation than do the work on yourself.

Where do you think happiness is buried?