Opinion: Jordan Peterson has always been a crank

[cytg111]

Just reporting the facts. But thanks for the incel comment. Tells me how seriously you want to take my posts even when they have nothing but truth in them. In fact, do yourself a favor and put me on ignore. Don't put yourself through the torture of having to read my crap. You have better things to do. Like protect toxic women?

No you are not, you are throwing them in a el salvadorian prison camp without due process. There is plenty of stereotyping on this level throughout history, nothing good has ever really come of it.
You dont like the Incel comment. Good. But that is exactly what that is! To the letter. Maybe work on it?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I mean, look at this nonsense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrent_laryngeal_nerve
In the giraffe, it runs around 15' for no practical reason, it's absurd.

At least the appendix actually does something. I'd love an intelligent designer to explain this bullshit to me:

 

[Moonbeam]

myself, my environment, people surrounding me, indeed.

your words, not mine.

So then you are saying that your response to a post that listed three characteristics with a comment you were reminded of yourself wasn’t about those three things but the different things you now list. It appeared to me you were reminded of a time when you believed in an all loving god owing to what was said in the post you quoted. I assumed you chose the post to link that you did as that one was what triggered your memories. Perhaps you can see why I made for me a logical but apparently incorrect assumption.

No point in saying more…….

When discussing religion, you will find many logical fallacies in arguments designed to support religious beliefs.

In this case, it's your opinion stated above, but refer to a guide for more in depth knowledge of Rhetological Fallacies

Religious people engage is motivated reasoning regularly for pretty much any topic coming their way. In this thread, as an example, you can see @igor_kavinski reason his way into why religion provides all the answers he needs, and it doesn't have to make sense to people he's trying to convince. He's convinced himself that he is right, and his beliefs are true. How most women are the tools of Satan, God wouldn't do anything to hurt us, and others if you care to look. Facts didn't provide that, feelings did, product of an Appeal to Emotion category consistently.

You asked me what was similar, I provided an answer. It seems to me that it's actually you that is shifting attention to something else.


I asked you to define love, and you respond with this cryptic pseudo-intellectual response. It's responses like this that deter people from engaging you.

"why do we have a hard time communicating" - responses like this /shrug

You defended it? Oh, ok, let's go to the tape:
Moonbeam said:
"I don't get it. Seems to me that if you believed in an all loving god you would have so moved by that faith you would have become all loving yourself and that would have made such a god real by the presence in the universe of at least one all loving being."

I see you making a statement based on an assumption. The assumption is that you conclude, without evidence it seems, what a person will react like when belief in an all loving god affects them.

I mean, you make this statement then subsequently fail to define the word love.



I asked you to define missing, at least this is closer. But why ask me if you're missing something? Only you can know if you're full or not, so only you can know if you're missing anything.

 

[nakedfrog]

At least the appendix actually does something. I'd love an intelligent designer to explain this bullshit to me:
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Depiction of nutcracker syndrome? Had not been aware of it previously.

 

[ch33zw1z]

So then you are saying that your response to a post that listed three characteristics with a comment you were reminded of yourself wasn’t about those three things but the different things you now list. It appeared to me you were reminded of a time when you believed in an all loving god owing to what was said in the post you quoted. I assumed you chose the post to link that you did as that one was what triggered your memories. Perhaps you can see why I made for me a logical but apparently incorrect assumption.

Merely said it reminded of my younger days in religion. Where you go with that and your assumptions is up to you. You asked me how it reminded me of my younger years, I answered.

No point in saying more…….

Cool, hope you find the time to read the links.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Depiction of nutcracker syndrome? Had not been aware of it previously.

Correct. The left renal vein in humans arbitrarily routes between two arteries (technically the aorta and an artery) and can get squeezed, killing the kidney/human.

 

[nakedfrog]

Cool, hope you find the time to read the links.

Ha, I haven't been keeping up with his side of the debate, do you think he will? I kinda don't.

 

[Moonbeam]

Merely said it reminded of my younger days in religion. Where you go with that and your assumptions is up to you. You asked me how it reminded me of my younger years, I answered.

And it turned out that nothing in the quoted as reminded you of your younger days had anything to do with what you now say you were reminded of. Where I went with that was the obvious conclusion there was a connection. It just happened your choice of posts to quote wasn’t logical.

Cool, hope you find the time to read the links.

I notice you mentioned motivated reasoning. A primary theme of mine for the last 25 years has been to help people see that in themselves. A person can use words, u derstand them but have no idea they can apply to them. The motivation behind such reasoning is denial of self hate. My focus has always been on self deception. The solution to self deception, of course, is not knowing anything. I don’t know the things you think you do.k

 

[ch33zw1z]

And it turned out that nothing in the quoted as reminded you of your younger days had anything to do with what you now say you were reminded of. Where I went with that was the obvious conclusion there was a connection. It just happened your choice of posts to quote wasn’t logical.

It was pretty simple, I said igors statements reminded me of my younger years in religion. You asked how, I answered motivated reasoning.

The rest of what you said was your assumptions, strawman, whatever.

I notice you mentioned motivated reasoning. A primary theme of mine for the last 25 years has been to help people see that in themselves. A person can use words, u derstand them but have no idea they can apply to them. The motivation behind such reasoning is denial of self hate. My focus has always been on self deception. The solution to self deception, of course, is not knowing anything. I don’t know the things you think you do.k

Ok, so now you don’t know what I think I do? Cuz you consistently tell me, and others, that you do know what I (and others) do and don’t know. Quite a change of heart there

Edit: re self hate - admitting to yourself that self hate drives you can be challenging, because the solution is changing perception. For people controlled by self hate, this can appear like an insurmountable task. Changing how you process information, which is what the solution boils down to, is not easy

 

[Moonbeam]

It was pretty simple, I said igors statements reminded me of my younger years in religion. You asked how, I answered motivated reasoning.

The rest of what you said was your assumptions, strawman, whatever.

Ok, so now you don’t know what I think I do? Cuz you consistently tell me, and others, that you do know what I (and others) do and don’t know. Quite a change of heart there

Edit: re self hate - admitting to yourself that self hate drives you can be challenging, because the solution is changing perception. For people controlled by self hate, this can appear like an insurmountable task. Changing how you process information, which is what the solution boils down to, is not easy

My point is simple. An intellectual understanding that perceptions are a prison does not translate into an awareness that one oneself is in such a prison. You are motivated not to see this and the things you believe make that clear. Because you do not want to know this, thinking it’s an ego contest, my truth verses yours and if I am right I win, you jump in with both feet and insist I am the one in denial.

But you do not know where real knowledge comes from. The reason I know who you are is because I have seen it all in me. I lost a long time ago everything I believed.

 

[ch33zw1z]

My point is simple. An intellectual understanding that perceptions are a prison does not translate into an awareness that one oneself is in such a prison. You are motivated not to see this and the things you believe make that clear. Because you do not want to know this, thinking it’s an ego contest, my truth verses yours and if I am right I win, you jump in with both feet and insist I am the one in denial.

But you do not know where real knowledge comes from. The reason I know who you are is because I have seen it all in me. I lost a long time ago everything I believed.

and you were so close to making progress. Instead, the standard "no you" response.

You still believe in plenty, so I'm not sure how you settle insisting that you're above it all while simultaneously doing the same things you accuse others of, and frankly I do not care lol. That's for you to solve.

edit: btw, your reply is really just your assumptions, derived from your….perception.

 

[Moonbeam]

and you were so close to making progress. Instead, the standard "no you" response.

You still believe in plenty, so I'm not sure how you settle insisting that you're above it all while simultaneously doing the same things you accuse others of, and frankly I do not care lol. That's for you to solve.

edit: btw, your reply is really just your assumptions, derived from your….perception.

But don’t you see that if I were to admit to what you say as fact, I would face profound humiliation and feel totally worthless? I just have to be right, sorry.

 

[TheGermanChemist]

The last thing miserable people what to know is that none of it is necessary. God is another word for saying yes to love as all there is. Self hate is just spitting on that.

That is your made up idea of what a God is, all of societies all across the world disagree and some would have you shot for blasphemy. You can't just make shit up and go "there, that is God" and be expected to be taken seriously.

Which also explains why Jordan Peterson who will immediately redefine any words to make him right or question the definition of "who" if he feels it will throw the other guy off. He like you is being a wholly dishonest, ignorant interlocutor who has no clue what is going on but will refuse at any cost to admit that he is wrong.

 

[Moonbeam]

That is your made up idea of what a God is, all of societies all across the world disagree and some would have you shot for blasphemy. You can't just make shit up and go "there, that is God" and be expected to be taken seriously.

Which also explains why Jordan Peterson who will immediately redefine any words to make him right or question the definition of "who" if he feels it will throw the other guy off. He like you is being a wholly dishonest, ignorant interlocutor who has no clue what is going on but will refuse at any cost to admit that he is wrong.

But I can't ever pay the price because it would mean that to admit to being wrong would open the door to heaven, and I am much too worthless to ever deserve that. And besides that I could be burned at the stake.

But if all this is just a result of a self justification as to why you deserve misery I say you feel that way because of lies you were sold. Who knows, maybe someone intended you hear my words because they love you. And if you really are just reacting with contempt for any who challenge your dogmatic miserable state, try having some humility. You are not the only person in the world who knows what it means to hurt. None the less any pain you feel deserves fixing.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

That is your made up idea of what a God is, all of societies all across the world disagree and some would have you shot for blasphemy. You can't just make shit up and go "there, that is God" and be expected to be taken seriously.

Which also explains why Jordan Peterson who will immediately redefine any words to make him right or question the definition of "who" if he feels it will throw the other guy off. He like you is being a wholly dishonest, ignorant interlocutor who has no clue what is going on but will refuse at any cost to admit that he is wrong.

All ideas of what God is are made up. The only difference between Moonbeam's idea of God and say Mormonism is that the leaders of the Mormon church have a limited monopoly on their ideas of God, having created and copyrighted a much more elaborate set of ideas which they sell to their flock that as the true ideas, some of which are secret. That's where the real money is. The Catholic Church, Scientology, The Nation of Islam, so it goes.

Correct about Jordan Peterson weaseling his way through debates to disrupt and derail his interlocutors instead of engaging in good faith. Jordan knows what he's doing though, he's not ignorant about what's going on.

Edit: changed Catholics to The Catholic Church and Scientologists to Scientology to refer more precisely to the organizations themselves rather than their adherents specifically.

 

[Moonbeam]

All ideas of what God is are made up. The only difference between Moonbeam's idea of God and say Mormonism is that the leaders of the Mormon church have a limited monopoly on their ideas of God, having created and copyrighted a much more elaborate set of ideas which they sell to their flock that as the true ideas, some of which are secret. That's where the real money is. Catholics, Scientologists, Nation of Islam, so it goes.

Correct about Jordan Peterson weaseling his way through debates to disrupt and derail his interlocutors instead of engaging in good faith. Jordan knows what he's doing though, he's not ignorant about what's going on.

Right, you are just ignorant that he isn’t doing that at all. He is a pedagogue engaged in pedagogical rigor. He is asking you to see you know nothing of which you speak.

You just lack the intellectual honesty to see it and fault someone else for your incapacity to see.

Why are you bothered so much about seeing that. It’s not like you can see voluntarily what you actually wish, unconsciously to deny. Don’t be so hard on yourself. Why fight the fact you’re an ignorant nobody. Denying it doesn’t change anything and I’m doing just fine. The less you know the more you can float like a feather. Don’t pee into the wind or swim against the tide.

 

[TheGermanChemist]

All ideas of what God is are made up. The only difference between Moonbeam's idea of God and say Mormonism is that the leaders of the Mormon church have a limited monopoly on their ideas of God, having created and copyrighted a much more elaborate set of ideas which they sell to their flock that as the true ideas, some of which are secret. That's where the real money is. The Catholic Church, Scientology, The Nation of Islam, so it goes.

Correct about Jordan Peterson weaseling his way through debates to disrupt and derail his interlocutors instead of engaging in good faith. Jordan knows what he's doing though, he's not ignorant about what's going on.

Edit: changed Catholics to The Catholic Church and Scientologists to Scientology to refer more precisely to the organizations themselves rather than their adherents specifically.

Of course they are, however to play pretend that we don't know what "God" means in modern society is dishonest. If it's nature, fine, but why call it God?

He is trying to change the concept to fit exactly anything and everything and it's dishonest.

 

[TheGermanChemist]

Right, you are just ignorant that he isn’t doing that at all. He is a pedagogue engaged in pedagogical rigor. He is asking you to see you know nothing of which you speak.

You just lack the intellectual honesty to see it and fault someone else for your incapacity to see.

Why are you bothered so much about seeing that. It’s not like you can see voluntarily what you actually wish, unconsciously to deny. Don’t be so hard on yourself. Why fight the fact you’re an ignorant nobody. Denying it doesn’t change anything and I’m doing just fine. The less you know the more you can float like a feather. Don’t pee into the wind or swim against the tide.

I'm sorry but Jordan Peterson is a two bit dipshit that is in it for the money and he has nothing of importance to add. Psychology itself is a pseudoscience and he takes it into the realm of new age bullshit with spiritualism and drugs that make you have magic abilities. He's a joke and so are you.

Don't spread bullshit against the tide. I can do that shit too, it's not clever.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm sorry but Jordan Peterson is a two bit dipshit that is in it for the money and he has nothing of importance to add. Psychology itself is a pseudoscience and he takes it into the realm of new age bullshit with spiritualism and drugs that make you have magic abilities. He's a joke and so are you.

Don't spread bullshit against the tide. I can do that shit too, it's not clever.

You probably don't realize that you are threatened by what I say because of your inferiority complex. I try to tell yo the truth regardless of how inferior you think that makes me look. Your praise or condemnation is on no relevance other than what it says about your inner state. I hope real understanding will make you feel better. Do you know the story of the man so frightened of life he bricked himself up in a cave and died of suffocation?

And remember never expose what you believe to others; just shoot them down for what you imagine is theirs. But I'm wondering if the smell you give off isn't that of a religious crackpot of some kind or another. I got a sense you were experiencing the terrifying intuitive insight that I might be God and you freaked.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

Right, you are just ignorant that he isn’t doing that at all. He is a pedagogue engaged in pedagogical rigor. He is asking you to see you know nothing of which you speak.

You just lack the intellectual honesty to see it and fault someone else for your incapacity to see.

Why are you bothered so much about seeing that. It’s not like you can see voluntarily what you actually wish, unconsciously to deny. Don’t be so hard on yourself. Why fight the fact you’re an ignorant nobody. Denying it doesn’t change anything and I’m doing just fine. The less you know the more you can float like a feather. Don’t pee into the wind or swim against the tide.

He does do that, you just cannot see it because you're blinkered by your fawning adulation and identification with Jordan Peterson as a misunderstood genius. You live in a house of mirrors and I hope you manage to find your way outside some day.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Not sure if Moonbeam has seen this:

Everyone else, don't watch. Not relevant. You guys hate JP so watching that video would mean you hate him but still can't get enough of him

 

[ch33zw1z]

Not sure if Moonbeam has seen this:

Everyone else, don't watch. Not relevant. You guys hate JP so watching that video would mean you hate him but still can't get enough of him

Your (and moonie's) strawman argument aside, short answer in the video is no.

God in the Bible speaks to being lukewarm in your commitment to him, which JP is. This is where JP's wishy washy evasive style of answers makes the answer obvious.

Bets on Moonie being JP IRL?

 

[igor_kavinski]

Bets on Moonie being JP IRL?

Nope coz JP doesn't talk about self hate ALL the time.

 

[mikeymikec]

Bets on Moonie being JP IRL?

I don't think so, few people would say this about themselves:

6. Peterson is defined by confirmation bias.

I don't think anyone else in this thread has made quite so scathing a remark about JP, even if it was unintentional.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I don't think so, few people would say this about themselves:


I don't think anyone else in this thread has made quite so scathing a remark about JP, even if it was unintentional.

/shrug