Opinion: Jordan Peterson has always been a crank

[brycejones]

It's not just people on these forums, though. In real life too, I doubt anyone would believe if I told them what that lawyer bitch did to me. I carry my burden alone.

The burden of being locked out of an elevator? You really let this woman get in your head. It’s not healthy.

 

[mikeymikec]

It's not just people on these forums, though. In real life too, I doubt anyone would believe if I told them what that lawyer bitch did to me. I carry my burden alone.

What does it matter whether x number of people do or don't believe your anecdote? But no-one here is pulling you up on a single anecdote, it's when you use anecdotes like that to justify your bigotry that you get pulled up.

If I got mugged by a black guy and tell that story, I highly doubt that it's going to be met with scepticism. After all, it's perfectly possible, unless maybe I live on the most remote Scottish island. If I then start telling people that black people aren't to be trusted, and that anyone defending them is just a black person sympathizer who mindlessly repeats nonsensical propaganda from the Cult of The Extreme Black Supremacy Party, then people are going to question my motives and my story.

 

[igor_kavinski]

What does it matter whether x number of people do or don't believe your anecdote? But no-one here is pulling you up on a single anecdote, it's when you use anecdotes like that to justify your bigotry that you get pulled up.

I guess you are misunderstanding me? I'm not saying all women are toxic but workplaces are attracting such women more and more. Remember, sociopaths are very successful in life because they know how to manipulate people. So the best way for these women to get their foot in the door is to find a gullible feminist boss.

Let me tell you about what happened to a poor guy in my office. He was doing payroll (the first part. I do the 2nd part which is pushing the files for actual processing). He was qualified for doing something else but he was a decent guy and liked working here so stuck with doing something that was not his main interest. So, the stupid female HR Head kept hiring multiple HR people and then bossing them into quitting. This guy goes to her and asks for a raise and to take a chance on him as her HR assistant. She outright refused because he didn't have the requisite education even though he was doing everything related to the job.

So due to financial difficulties (he was being paid horribly), he quit and went back to his own country. The stupid female HR head hired a dedicated payroll officer, paid him double what she was paying the nice guy. And now routinely our salary is coming to me at the last minute. I have complained to my COO that I'm the one who gets blamed because I'm the last step before the salary is processed and the entire pressure comes on me when that idiot payroll specialist hands the salary file to me late. But he (obviously) says that his hands are tied. So not only did a great guy have to lose his job by having to quit, my workload and stress increased too.

 

[nakedfrog]

It's a push from the govt because they want to improve the perception of the region and toxic women are taking full advantage of it now.

Consider the notion that perhaps they are not, in fact, feminists, but simply garden-variety corporate opportunists.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Consider the notion that perhaps they are not, in fact, feminists, but simply garden-variety corporate opportunists.

When they are paying women literally more than men??? What opportunity are they capitalizing on? The opportunity to waste money?

 

[ch33zw1z]

When they are paying women literally more than men??? What opportunity are they capitalizing on? The opportunity to waste money?

The aduacity! Women have it so easy

 

[igor_kavinski]

The aduacity! Women have it so easy

Well, yes, in my company they do. I don't know how they have it in US/EU companies.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Well, yes, in my company they do. I don't know how they have it in US/EU companies.

Probably the same, after all most of the women are the same anyways.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Watch if any of you care to learn more about the Blake crap.

I'm leaning towards most of you calling Flaa a crackpot too.

 

[mikeymikec]

I guess you are misunderstanding me? I'm not saying all women are toxic but workplaces are attracting such women more and more. Remember, sociopaths are very successful in life because they know how to manipulate people. So the best way for these women to get their foot in the door is to find a gullible feminist boss.

"not all women".... jesus christ. Give it a rest already, it's a completely disingenuous disclaimer.

"but workplaces are attracting such women more and more." - honestly, how the fuck would you know. I've tried to convince you already to stop assuming that your extremely limited experiences mean jack shit in the bigger picture, but still you persist. The problem is you have a prejudice and repeatedly look to confirm its validity, rather than challenge it.

Another reference to feminists being mindless / gullible... what do you think that feminists believe? Which specific narrative do you think that feminists have swallowed mindlessly?

When they are paying women literally more than men??? What opportunity are they capitalizing on? The opportunity to waste money?

You really cannot think of a reason why a particular woman might get paid more than a particular man, can you. The usual reasons don't spring to mind like relevant qualifications and job experience?

 

[nakedfrog]

When they are paying women literally more than men??? What opportunity are they capitalizing on? The opportunity to waste money?

I was talking about the women ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But, you know, if two guys are doing the same job and one of them gets paid more than the other, do you have a problem with that?

 

[igor_kavinski]

The usual reasons don't spring to mind like relevant qualifications and job experience?

If only HR was this capable...

 

[igor_kavinski]

But, you know, if two guys are doing the same job and one of them gets paid more than the other, do you have a problem with that?

If the difference is at most $250, no. More than that, yes, unless one of them has a lot of years under his belt.

 

[nakedfrog]

If the difference is at most $250, no. More than that, yes, unless one of them has a lot of years under his belt.

Wow. Well, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but it happens a lot (in the US at least, where there's a culture of secrecy around wages, for the benefit of our corporate overlords)

 

[ch33zw1z]

Watch if any of you care to learn more about the Blake crap.

I'm leaning towards most of you calling Flaa a crackpot too.

Norwegians are crackpots, in my experience, so yes shes a crackpot. Who’s to say otherwise?

 

[Moonbeam]

And your experiences of a handful of women are somehow definitive of >4 billion women on the planet?

If they're not then you have to qualify it. Acknowledge that you've interacted with the tiniest of tiny percentages of the total and that your experiences are worth that much *and* your experiences are also based on your perception of events, your biases and your memory. Instead you ask for other people ignore basic logic and their own experiences that differ from yours and assume that you, some random guy on the Internet is somehow right.

"I'm not wrong!", you bleat. But the bit about you believing your critics to be mindless feminists? Right on the money.

We could ask if the term mindless exists because some people act as if it were an accurate description of them and then further inquire that, when it comes to beliefs, the possibility exists that some of them might also be held mindlessly . Then, by extension, if we have gotten this far, the mindlessness of some of the beliefs people hold might also include mindless feminist beliefs as well.

If so, then ought not the discussion be about what constitutes a mindless feminist belief? A discussion directed there, I suspect would draw in a wide range of opinions.

Of course to engage in such a conversation you would have to express and defend your opinion and risk exposing yourself to mindless attacks. Perhaps it’s just better to lose patients with people and rely on putting them down to win. If you were to do something cold like that and received vicious fire in return I would instinctively want to defend you.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Spoiler: This could offend some people

Yes, with women, you can never tell what makes them laugh. One minute they are laughing and the next they are dead serious. It's all about taking revenge from men because they don't have a D.

There was a very gregarious, outgoing woman in my first job in Dubai. I had been at the job a few days and she seemed chill. I don't remember exactly but something ticked her off and she came at me with a confrontational look and tone and asked me why I did that. I was like, what the heck? Is she going to charge at me??? So I respond and give her my answer to why I did whatever it was in my calmest voice possible and looked into her eyes straight for a second, anticipating an angry outburst from her and she bursts out in crazy, maniacal laughter. From that day, I knew she didn't mean me any harm.

She was married but one day she was sitting with me as I was fixing her laptop and someone passed by and commented, oh wow! Why are you sitting with him??? (Yeah, some people there were mean). And she replied, I love him! I want to marry him! That shut the person up completely. After the Finance Director dickhead got me fired from there (basically HR made up crap that my performance was bad so they forced me to resign and told me that resistance would only create problems for me so I complied. It was my first job and I didn't know any better), I tried chatting her up on Yahoo chat, just to see if she would want to keep the friendship going. She told me that she was working at Microsoft Dubai and then she asked some other stuff and realized that she mistook me for someone with the same name. Instant block

 

[Pontius Dilate]

Yes, with women, you can never tell what makes them laugh. One minute they are laughing and the next they are dead serious. It's all about taking revenge from men because they don't have a D.

Jesus fucking Christ. I had thought about replying to your post expressing total incredulity that women could be paid more than men, but now we have this. All women suffer from penis envy. It’s cool that people are trying to help you see where you are going totally off the rails, but it seems like folly.

 

[igor_kavinski]

All women suffer from penis envy.

It was half jest but all of you keep saying that I'm generalizing my statements to all women. That's not true. Only the troublemakers. As I've said time and time again, there are plenty of nice women in the world. Very few of them make it into the workplace.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Spoiler: This could offend some people

Yes, with women, you can never tell what makes them laugh. One minute they are laughing and the next they are dead serious. It's all about taking revenge from men because they don't have a D.

There was a very gregarious, outgoing woman in my first job in Dubai. I had been at the job a few days and she seemed chill. I don't remember exactly but something ticked her off and she came at me with a confrontational look and tone and asked me why I did that. I was like, what the heck? Is she going to charge at me??? So I respond and give her my answer to why I did whatever it was in my calmest voice possible and looked into her eyes straight for a second, anticipating an angry outburst from her and she bursts out in crazy, maniacal laughter. From that day, I knew she didn't mean me any harm.

She was married but one day she was sitting with me as I was fixing her laptop and someone passed by and commented, oh wow! Why are you sitting with him??? (Yeah, some people there were mean). And she replied, I love him! I want to marry him! That shut the person up completely. After the Finance Director dickhead got me fired from there (basically HR made up crap that my performance was bad so they forced me to resign and told me that resistance would only create problems for me so I complied. It was my first job and I didn't know any better), I tried chatting her up on Yahoo chat, just to see if she would want to keep the friendship going. She told me that she was working at Microsoft Dubai and then she asked some other stuff and realized that she mistook me for someone with the same name. Instant block

 

[igor_kavinski]

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What part don't you believe?

 

[mikeymikec]

all of you keep saying that I'm generalizing my statements to all women. That's not true.

Dude, your repeated excuses to justify your belief that there can't possibly be a valid reason why a woman could get paid more than a man is just one example of many from this thread. It shows that your belief is like Trump's line about Mexicans. Here's your version off the top of my head:

"Women are money-grabbing manipulators who aren't ever happy, they always want more than their fair share and will use any tactic, especially their feminine assets, to get it. And some, I assume, are good people."

I think the truth of the matter is that you're not at all comfortable with the idea that many women may be more intelligent than you, get paid more than you, and/or see through your bullshit as easily as we can. I don't think you're quite at the point of Timothy 2:12:

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."

But you're not far off. It's probably in your list of private fantasies, and your notion of your ideal woman: a quiet house servant who does as she's told, will put out eagerly whenever you want her to, and will never talk back to you.

You don't want to elaborate on your opinions about feminism and you've hinted that women want more than equal footing to men, but really your feelings come down to this quote:

"When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

Women achieving equality would mean that you have less power than you believe you ought to have over them.

 

[ch33zw1z]

What part don't you believe?

What part don't you believe?

Why would this matter?

 

[igor_kavinski]

I think the truth of the matter is that you're not at all comfortable with the idea that many women may be more intelligent than you

I would love to interact with women more intelligent than I. But the ones in my workplace who are making more than I are nothing special. Haven't seen any reason why they get paid more other than their assets and beauty.

There's this girl (12 years younger) who was hired to be a project officer. She had the least stressful job in the whole workplace and she was paid $100 more than me. She would sit all day in meetings (some of them I was in), say one or two words and then prepare weekly ppt slides. That was the extent of her responsibilities. One of the Sheikh board members came down to ask about our mobile app project. Everyone pointed to her as the one co-ordinating. He asked her some pointed questions. She got scared. Few months later, she found a job at double the salary.

So my company just let her coast through her job with wages more than mine just so she could get a better career. When she left, her main project was still unfinished. I, on the other hand, have MULTIPLE projects under my belt over the years. But yeah, I'm the bullshitter. Girls/women are being unfairly judged by me.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I would love to interact with women more intelligent than I. But the ones in my workplace who are making more than I are nothing special. Haven't seen any reason why they get paid more other than their assets and beauty.

There's this girl (12 years younger) who was hired to be a project officer. She had the least stressful job in the whole workplace and she was paid $100 more than me. She would sit all day in meetings (some of them I was in), say one or two words and then prepare weekly ppt slides. That was the extent of her responsibilities. One of the Sheikh board members came down to ask about our mobile app project. Everyone pointed to her as the one co-ordinating. He asked her some pointed questions. She got scared. Few months later, she found a job at double the salary.

So my company just let her coast through her job with wages more than mine just so she could get a better career. When she left, her main project was still unfinished. I, on the other hand, have MULTIPLE projects under my belt over the years. But yeah, I'm the bullshitter. Girls/women are being unfairly judged by me.

So here's the thing... Instead of asking why this supposedly less qualified employee is getting paid more than you, you should be asking why the hell your employer is paying you peanuts. She apparently negotiated very well and your employer found her pay rate acceptable for her services. And then, she managed to find someone who'd pay her even more!
If you do as much as you say, then surely your employer has the money for all the things you do.

So don't let your employer take advantage of you by paying you so little. Advocate for yourself. I'd at least be looking to see what pay you can pull in other companies.