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OperationTruth (Optruth.org) new video - pretty powerful "They're not there"
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I agree it is powerfull. However, I prefer it be our soldiers rather than our citizens as we stave off your rebel fighters in New York.
The democratic "Terrorists are bad, but we dont want to do anything about it until the threat overwhelms us and destroys more lives than we ever thought possible" line is making me weary.
The democratic "Terrorists are bad, but we dont want to do anything about it until the threat overwhelms us and destroys more lives than we ever thought possible" line is making me weary.
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Then should we not have had more of our troops in Saudi Arabia and Afganistan? The terrorists in Iraq are "insurgants" They were not there before the "war". The real terrorists are being protected.......
So.. you are saying that terrorists were in:
Saudi Arabia
Iran
France
Russia
Syria
Jordan
Sudan
But not in Iraq?
So.. you are saying that terrorists were in:
Saudi Arabia
Iran
France
Russia
Syria
Jordan
Sudan
But not in Iraq?
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Every country has terrorists. Iraq did not have enough to warrant the war. They didn't have WMD's either. This young man is pointing that out. Al-Queda wasn't a big presence there either...he pointed that out. 19 of the 23 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia...are we going to war with them?
The mission is acomplished...or so they say.....and as he says....we're still there!
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
He claimed they were told Iraq had something to do with 9/11...but the connection wasn't there.
Just because he spouts the left's propaganda doesn't make it true and these shameless appeals to emotion aren't going to work.
Yes, the guy served. Yes he can speak out if he wishes. Unfortunately he's allowing himself to be used to spread the left's propaganda.
I just watched FahrenHYPE 9/11 today(while at work - shhh...) and Moore tried to do this same thing but the footage used was a distortion on mmoore.
Anyway, I was hoping for the full truth.....but it wasn't there.
CsG
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19 of the 23 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia...are we going to war with them?
We didnt have the support of the Iraqi government, did we? The connection and the intent for Sadaam to resume his nuclear arms program has been revealed, as well as his willingness to provide weapons for anyone who would do harm to the US.
Would you rather wait until he gives a weapon to someone and have it detonate in the middle of Los Angeles killing in the millions?
The part of the war I do not agree with is the humanitarian aspect. I do not think that is what our military is designed for, although that's what this turned out to be. It also helps us at the same time.
You cant have it both ways. Either removing Sadaam was good or it wasnt. The "we should have made him comply with the UN regulations, like we have been trying to do for 10 years" does not work.
In MY opinion, the greatest mass destruction device has been captuered. 500 nuclear warheads do not mean squat if you have someone who is not trying to use them for offensive gain. But you put ONE in the hands of someone like Saddam and you have an issue. Just the THREAT of him obtaining something of this nature is worthy of invasion.
Let me ask you this question:
Would you rather have us fighting in Iraq or the middle east in general, or here where we can be assured of a plethora of civilian casualties?
We didnt have the support of the Iraqi government, did we? The connection and the intent for Sadaam to resume his nuclear arms program has been revealed, as well as his willingness to provide weapons for anyone who would do harm to the US.
Would you rather wait until he gives a weapon to someone and have it detonate in the middle of Los Angeles killing in the millions?
The part of the war I do not agree with is the humanitarian aspect. I do not think that is what our military is designed for, although that's what this turned out to be. It also helps us at the same time.
You cant have it both ways. Either removing Sadaam was good or it wasnt. The "we should have made him comply with the UN regulations, like we have been trying to do for 10 years" does not work.
In MY opinion, the greatest mass destruction device has been captuered. 500 nuclear warheads do not mean squat if you have someone who is not trying to use them for offensive gain. But you put ONE in the hands of someone like Saddam and you have an issue. Just the THREAT of him obtaining something of this nature is worthy of invasion.
Let me ask you this question:
Would you rather have us fighting in Iraq or the middle east in general, or here where we can be assured of a plethora of civilian casualties?
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We didn't go to war with the words "Iraq has Intent".
Are you ready to attack North Korea?
How about China?
Iran?
Syria?
55% of the US population now says Iraq war not worth it. They are must be wrong.
We should not have went into Iraq....period. A terrible waste of our troops lives....a terrible financial cost.....and the world is more hatrid of the US now than ever before.
The young man is right!
If Bush wanted to play "war", he should have purchased a Nintendo 64!
If he wanted a war on Terrorism, he should have continued in Afganistan and took it to the real terrorists.
Are you ready to attack North Korea?
How about China?
Iran?
Syria?
55% of the US population now says Iraq war not worth it. They are must be wrong.
We should not have went into Iraq....period. A terrible waste of our troops lives....a terrible financial cost.....and the world is more hatrid of the US now than ever before.
The young man is right!
If Bush wanted to play "war", he should have purchased a Nintendo 64!
If he wanted a war on Terrorism, he should have continued in Afganistan and took it to the real terrorists.
Problem is, it's completely irrelevant what people believe NOW. What is important is what people thought THEN. I'd like to see numbers supporting/against the war just prior to its inception. As both major candidates agree, we're in now and we're stuck.
[edit]Now I'm going to argue with myself for everyone's entertainment.
The polls are important as far as the election goes. I don't find it appropriate to use polls to justify or un-justify a war, however. I definitely supported the war when it happened, and, based on my opinion of what happened regarding WMD prior to the war, think it's disingenuous for me to vote against Bush based on the premise for war.[/edit]
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CADsortaGUY
Lifer
:roll: Just because the guy lost his arm doesn't mean I can't critique the propaganda ad he was in.
CsG
Just edited this into my other post but you already responded!
The polls are important as far as the election goes. I don't find it appropriate to use polls to justify or un-justify a war, however. I definitely supported the war when it happened, and, based on my opinion of what happened regarding WMD prior to the war, think it's disingenuous for me to vote against Bush based on the premise for war. Whether or not Bush 'lied' is certainly debatable. Whether or not there was a genuine intelligence problem is the real question that first needs to be answered, and I think most will agree that this is the true origin of the problems regarding the war.
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and the world is more hatrid of the US now than ever before
I am not exactly concerned about this. France and Russia were selling arms and making a MINT. Not to mention the Oil for Palaces program. We took that away. Of course people are going to be pissed.
Am I prepared to go to war with other countries? You better believe it. The part you are missing is that there was no reasoning or cooperation from Iraq. We can use serrogates on many of the people you mentioned (people who will do this for their own reasons). Diplomacy is an option in some cases. However, all of these things have been used in Iraq to no avail.
Did we believe that there were WMD's in Iraq? Hell yes. So did Kerry and the 5 other intelligence agencies that corroberated our suspicions. Is that the only reason we went to Iraq? Hell no. I realized that from the beginning. I also have realized that no one in the administration has said anything about Saddam being responsible for 9/11 or having definite ties.
Hindsight is always perfect. And I find it pretty narrow to focus on one aspect of one reason for this war.
I am not exactly concerned about this. France and Russia were selling arms and making a MINT. Not to mention the Oil for Palaces program. We took that away. Of course people are going to be pissed.
Am I prepared to go to war with other countries? You better believe it. The part you are missing is that there was no reasoning or cooperation from Iraq. We can use serrogates on many of the people you mentioned (people who will do this for their own reasons). Diplomacy is an option in some cases. However, all of these things have been used in Iraq to no avail.
Did we believe that there were WMD's in Iraq? Hell yes. So did Kerry and the 5 other intelligence agencies that corroberated our suspicions. Is that the only reason we went to Iraq? Hell no. I realized that from the beginning. I also have realized that no one in the administration has said anything about Saddam being responsible for 9/11 or having definite ties.
Hindsight is always perfect. And I find it pretty narrow to focus on one aspect of one reason for this war.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
So, you'd rather sacrifice 1,070 Americans, injure over 20,000 of them all in a country that had NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attacks?
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