Operation Yellow Elephant

[KidViciou$]

for all those able bodied young college republicans out there that actively support the war in iraq, a group is protesting them saying they should enlist especially during this time where enlistment quotas are wayy down, but as usual, they are worming their way out of the issue!

http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-gov/2005/jul/08/519021050.html

 

[umbrella39]

"He estimated that about 40 percent of the 600 people attending the national convention either had served in the military or are in the process of signing up."

:laugh:

 

[Rainsford]

I like how the Young Republican's theme is "supporting the troops...". It leaves me wondering just how exactly they are supporting the troops. Certainly the troops have plenty of hot air, what with being in the desert and all, and that's about the only thing these groups have to contribute.

 

[Moonbeam]

But Republicans will be come the nations business leaders. It's really the military that is lucky to serve them. Where do you think the jobs come from? Who is going to build the weapons?

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But Republicans will be come the nations business leaders. It's really the military that is lucky to serve them. Where do you think the jobs come from? Who is going to build the weapons?

Last time I checked it shouldnt matter who went to war, read Stephen Ambrose, especially 'The Victors' and 'Citizen Soldiers' Especially the parts concerning the thoughts of men who fought in WW2 and how many of them were college grads, law students, engineers etcera and how Repple Depples killed off so many of our youth, yet they thought, believed and died for a just cause and they DIDNT care if they were republicans or democrat.

 

[Zipp]

Enlistment quotas are actually up as of late, so maybe you should stop posting the bull sh!t.
link

Raw numbers:
New recruits
Service,June#,June goal,June%,FYTD#,FYTD gl, FY%
Army,6157,5650,109,47121,54935,86
Navy, 4566,4529,101,23022,23069,100
Air Force,2400,2370,101,11447,11338,101
Marines,4156,4051,103,21397,20986,102
Army NG,4337,5032,86,34589,44989,77



Air NG,798,753,106,6290,7619,83
Army Reserve,3651,3610,101,15540,19753,79
AF Reserve,773,768,101,6604,5769,114
Navy Res,1233,1336,92,8002,8733,92
Marine Res,1196,1194,100,6350,6333,100

Legend:
June# = June recruitments
June goal = Target for June recruitments
June% = Percentage of the June goal recruiters met
FYTD# = The actual number of soldiers recruited, to date, since FY 2005 began
FYTD gl = The recruitment goal of the indicated service at this point in the FY 2005 calendar
FY% = The percentage of the FY2005 recruitment total, to date, recruiters have met.

Source: U.S. Department of Defense

 

[KidViciou$]

wasn't it stated that actual enrollment was up only because the target quotas were dropped?? and even if they are up now, they were down for a long enough time for a person to enlist, and complete basic training and be deployed!

 

[Stunt]

Why am I not allowed to support a war, without serving in it?

I think the Iraq war in retrospect was not fully justified or planned (this is open to opinion), but there's nothing wrong with supporting war with just reasoning and not serving in the military.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Stunt
Why am I not allowed to support a war, without serving in it?

I think the Iraq war in retrospect was not fully justified or planned (this is open to opinion), but there's nothing wrong with supporting war with just reasoning and not serving in the military.

Exactly. I guess everyone who supports a war should fight in it. That way, we can have half our population over in Iraq fighting! Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it.

 

[Crimson]

This argument gets so old.. I'm not a fireman, but I expect them to come into my burning house to save me. I'm not a cop but I expect them to respond to an intruder in my house.. I'm not a high-voltage power line worker, but I expect them to repair the downed power line..

I'm not in the military, but I expect them to follow their orders when the President gives them..

People support their communities in different ways.. some people go to war for it, some people rush into burning buildings for it, some people fight criminals for it.. Other people, like trash collectors, pick up the trash for all of the above people, which prevents disease.. The power worker allows electricity to be available to all the above people which keeps people alive in hospitals, people cool, computers running, contruction workers build houses and roads which keep people safe. Defense workers design new weapons and armor which keep our soldiers alive.. gun companies make better weapons which allow our soldiers to kill the enemy before they kill them. Computer nerds come up with targeting software which allows our troops to defend themselves better.. Bank workers transfer money directly in the soldiers accounts which thier family can access and use.. farmers grow the crops soldiers families need to live..

Everyone does their part.. Are you saying the farmer can't support the war without serving in it? Then who will grow the food? Only the farmers which DON'T support the war? LOL.. lets hope the war doesn't get too popular or we will all be starving!

 

[cwjerome]

It seems there's a bi-weekly topic devoted to this used up, already-dealt-with Liberal talking point. Even though it oozes enough stupidity that some more intelligent Libs see it for what it is, the diehards just can't help themselves....

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Crimson
This argument gets so old.. I'm not a fireman, but I expect them to come into my burning house to save me. I'm not a cop but I expect them to respond to an intruder in my house.. I'm not a high-voltage power line worker, but I expect them to repair the downed power line..

I'm not in the military, but I expect them to follow their orders when the President gives them..

People support their communities in different ways.. some people go to war for it, some people rush into burning buildings for it, some people fight criminals for it.. Other people, like trash collectors, pick up the trash for all of the above people, which prevents disease.. The power worker allows electricity to be available to all the above people which keeps people alive in hospitals, people cool, computers running, contruction workers build houses and roads which keep people safe. Defense workers design new weapons and armor which keep our soldiers alive.. gun companies make better weapons which allow our soldiers to kill the enemy before they kill them. Computer nerds come up with targeting software which allows our troops to defend themselves better.. Bank workers transfer money directly in the soldiers accounts which thier family can access and use.. farmers grow the crops soldiers families need to live..

Everyone does their part.. Are you saying the farmer can't support the war without serving in it? Then who will grow the food? Only the farmers which DON'T support the war? LOL.. lets hope the war doesn't get too popular or we will all be starving!

Unfortunately, you're wasting your time. This exact same logic gets brought up every single time in response to this retarded accusation, but just gets shrugged off by the die-hards.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: Crimson
This argument gets so old.. I'm not a fireman, but I expect them to come into my burning house to save me. I'm not a cop but I expect them to respond to an intruder in my house.. I'm not a high-voltage power line worker, but I expect them to repair the downed power line..

I'm not in the military, but I expect them to follow their orders when the President gives them..

People support their communities in different ways.. some people go to war for it, some people rush into burning buildings for it, some people fight criminals for it.. Other people, like trash collectors, pick up the trash for all of the above people, which prevents disease.. The power worker allows electricity to be available to all the above people which keeps people alive in hospitals, people cool, computers running, contruction workers build houses and roads which keep people safe. Defense workers design new weapons and armor which keep our soldiers alive.. gun companies make better weapons which allow our soldiers to kill the enemy before they kill them. Computer nerds come up with targeting software which allows our troops to defend themselves better.. Bank workers transfer money directly in the soldiers accounts which thier family can access and use.. farmers grow the crops soldiers families need to live..

Everyone does their part.. Are you saying the farmer can't support the war without serving in it? Then who will grow the food? Only the farmers which DON'T support the war? LOL.. lets hope the war doesn't get too popular or we will all be starving!

i'm saying that if there was a dire need for a certain position, how can you say you support that position if youre not willing to do it if you're able bodied???

if there were no firemen, wouldn't you join the voulnteer fire company? if there were no policemen and people were experiencing unheard of crime rates, wouldn't you dawn the badge and try to get things back to normal?


i have already made a decision that if they decide to bring back the draft, i will pre-emptively join either the air force, marine corp, or army, and i'm completely against hte war in iraq, however i feel that since we are there now, we better do a damned good job over there!

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: Crimson
This argument gets so old.. I'm not a fireman, but I expect them to come into my burning house to save me. I'm not a cop but I expect them to respond to an intruder in my house.. I'm not a high-voltage power line worker, but I expect them to repair the downed power line..

I'm not in the military, but I expect them to follow their orders when the President gives them..

People support their communities in different ways.. some people go to war for it, some people rush into burning buildings for it, some people fight criminals for it.. Other people, like trash collectors, pick up the trash for all of the above people, which prevents disease.. The power worker allows electricity to be available to all the above people which keeps people alive in hospitals, people cool, computers running, contruction workers build houses and roads which keep people safe. Defense workers design new weapons and armor which keep our soldiers alive.. gun companies make better weapons which allow our soldiers to kill the enemy before they kill them. Computer nerds come up with targeting software which allows our troops to defend themselves better.. Bank workers transfer money directly in the soldiers accounts which thier family can access and use.. farmers grow the crops soldiers families need to live..

Everyone does their part.. Are you saying the farmer can't support the war without serving in it? Then who will grow the food? Only the farmers which DON'T support the war? LOL.. lets hope the war doesn't get too popular or we will all be starving!

i'm saying that if there was a dire need for a certain position, how can you say you support that position if youre not willing to do it if you're able bodied???

if there were no firemen, wouldn't you join the voulnteer fire company? if there were no policemen and people were experiencing unheard of crime rates, wouldn't you dawn the badge and try to get things back to normal?

Great Counter Argument!:thumbsup:

 

[umbrella39]

Agreed. :thumbsup:

The most vocal on the board are the ones who always play the:

"If everyone who supported the war were over there fighting....." tripe.

And YES, if there were a need for firemen or police in the states, they would be the first to sign up. But when it comes to backing up their big talk with actions....

*crickets*

Faith without works is dead. Sad part is, is they are already dead, they are just blowing smoke until the funeral happens. While the real Americans are over there dying so that they can type their eBullets. Let us know when one of those eBullets hits the intended targets. I don't know what kind of range they have shooting them off from the safty of the States as I have not heard of one terrorist casualty caused by tough guy typists.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: Crimson
This argument gets so old.. I'm not a fireman, but I expect them to come into my burning house to save me. I'm not a cop but I expect them to respond to an intruder in my house.. I'm not a high-voltage power line worker, but I expect them to repair the downed power line..

I'm not in the military, but I expect them to follow their orders when the President gives them..

People support their communities in different ways.. some people go to war for it, some people rush into burning buildings for it, some people fight criminals for it.. Other people, like trash collectors, pick up the trash for all of the above people, which prevents disease.. The power worker allows electricity to be available to all the above people which keeps people alive in hospitals, people cool, computers running, contruction workers build houses and roads which keep people safe. Defense workers design new weapons and armor which keep our soldiers alive.. gun companies make better weapons which allow our soldiers to kill the enemy before they kill them. Computer nerds come up with targeting software which allows our troops to defend themselves better.. Bank workers transfer money directly in the soldiers accounts which thier family can access and use.. farmers grow the crops soldiers families need to live..

Everyone does their part.. Are you saying the farmer can't support the war without serving in it? Then who will grow the food? Only the farmers which DON'T support the war? LOL.. lets hope the war doesn't get too popular or we will all be starving!

i'm saying that if there was a dire need for a certain position, how can you say you support that position if youre not willing to do it if you're able bodied???

if there were no firemen, wouldn't you join the voulnteer fire company? if there were no policemen and people were experiencing unheard of crime rates, wouldn't you dawn the badge and try to get things back to normal?

Great Counter Argument!:thumbsup:

The only problem is our armed forces are not in dire need.

 

[andyj2287]

the 101st fighting keyboardists is now recruiting!

visit http://www.cmc.org to enlist - but i must warn you, it's hard work.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: charrison

The only problem is our armed forces are not in dire need.

Ok, if you say so...

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Zipp
Enlistment quotas are actually up as of late..

Eh, wrong answer.

 

[maluckey]

Funny thing is that retention numbers are higher than before 9/11 and Iraq invasion. This means tha we have the die-hards staying in, and the rest staying out. Suits me just fine as I re-upped over the weekend. The bonus and benefits are rather nice. 15000 dollars cash in addition to all the other pay tied in. The package is in the mid 40's without adding in the freebies like free health care, commissary etc.

 

[andyj2287]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Funny thing is that retention numbers are higher than before 9/11 and Iraq invasion.

haha yea because their tours aren't over yet due to multiple extensions

of course theres higher "retension", because its forced

 

[maluckey]

You can only be extended under most circumstances to one year beyond your contractual obligation to military service. This means that a first time enlistee cannot serve more than nine years total. Good try. Stay in your lane of knowledge or risk looking uninformed.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Funny thing is that retention numbers are higher than before 9/11 and Iraq invasion. This means tha we have the die-hards staying in, and the rest staying out. Suits me just fine as I re-upped over the weekend. The bonus and benefits are rather nice. 15000 dollars cash in addition to all the other pay tied in. The package is in the mid 40's without adding in the freebies like free health care, commissary etc.

:thumbsup: Now there is a man with integrity. If I believed in this war, I would be right back with you. The pay and bennies are very enticing for those who make the sacrifice. Be safe and watch your 6.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But Republicans will be come the nations business leaders. It's really the military that is lucky to serve them. Where do you think the jobs come from? Who is going to build the weapons?

Last time I checked it shouldnt matter who went to war, read Stephen Ambrose, especially 'The Victors' and 'Citizen Soldiers' Especially the parts concerning the thoughts of men who fought in WW2 and how many of them were college grads, law students, engineers etcera and how Repple Depples killed off so many of our youth, yet they thought, believed and died for a just cause and they DIDNT care if they were republicans or democrat.

In WWII the enemy had already launched their attack bent on nothing else but global domination, and were capable of doing it. Iraq had just thrown barbed statements at us. Since we beat him up last time.

 

[Infohawk]

An aggravating factor for a lot of chickenhawks is their attitude. Recently we had a pro-war poster someone calling another poster a coward based on his thoughts alone. If you talk the talk, walk the walk. Or maybe better for this context, "put up or shup." That is what sparks this sort of stuff. If you are going to berate everyone and prance around with a plastic flag and cheap patriotism, you have to expect people are going to call you on the fact you are just a bunch of hot air.