Open Call – It is Time to Fix or Replace the Republican Party

Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
16,208
11,218
136
Something I found on Zyte..

Source: http://www.politicususa.com/2015/06/30/time-fix-replace-republican-party.html

It is Time to Fix or Replace the Republican Party

The Republican Party, through its response to the Supreme Court’s Obamacare, and then Marriage Equality rulings, has signaled its end of usefulness as an opposition party.

I have argued before – based on their reaction to the Charleston shootings – that they have disqualified themselves from running the country, and I still believe they have, but look, it’s time something was done.

It’s one thing when they hurt themselves, but this is going to end up hurting all of us, because a healthy democracy calls for more than a single political party, and a religious hate group doesn’t qualify.

Rather than debates on the relative merits of a position, what we’ve gotten, even from the politicians, is “God vs. Government” arguments. You can’t tell the religious demagogues from the elected officials anymore. Some, like Gordon Klingenschmitt, are both.

God’s law, we are told, supersedes man’s law.

No it does not. The United States Constitution is the law of the land. Has been since the Founding Fathers presented it to the states and the states ratified it. The United States Constitution does not make allowances for God. God doesn’t get a vote; God doesn’t get so much as a mention.

End of story.

Yet we have Louie Gohmert, who serves in the United States House of Representatives, saying that as a result of the Marriage Equality ruling, God will withdraw his “hand of protection” from America and destroy us.

He said he will do what he can (maybe he has some photos he can use for leverage) but the conservative consensus seems to be that we’re pretty much screwed and we should flee for our lives.

Alternately, they believe they must brace themselves for persecution, which, if they have to wait for as long as they’ve waited for someone to take away their guns…well, they’ll decompose first.

And look, in Kentucky a dead guy who made chicken is now deemed preferable to the guy running the Senate, Mitch McConnell. Doesn’t that tell you something about the GOP’s shelf-life? If not, then how about Donald Trump having to pay people to show up at his rallies? What Democrat has to do that?

Fox News’ Todd Starnes says God is flooding D.C. in punishment in response to SCOTUS “defying God.” Never mind that God said he won’t destroy us via flood again (it’s in your Bible, Mr. Starnes). Sure, Starnes isn’t himself a politician, but Fox News sets the tone for Republican rhetoric.

The upshot is we either need someone in Republican ranks to rise up and fix his party, or we need a new party. We need at least two political parties and we only have one, currently. At its current place, the GOP will have a hard time competing with any of the other 30+ parties that exist outside the big two.

There is a reason CNN’s S.E. Cupp cried when she said the GOP would become “relics” if they did not begin supporting Marriage Equality. She is wrong about many things, but she was right about that.

Look at Marco Rubio, who wants to be president, express his profound lack of understanding of the Constitution:

“As we look ahead, it must be a priority of the next president to nominate judges and justices committed to applying the Constitution as written and originally understood.”

The thing is, the Constitution, as written and originally understood, does not allow for theocracy, or for claims that God’s law is above the law of man. So if Rubio wants a Supreme Court that reads it that way, he wants a court that will put the GOP out of business far more efficiently than our current court.

CNN may go after Fox News occasionally but then they present us with headlines like How the GOP won on same-sex marriage, when in fact the GOP did not win in any way, shape, or form, on same-sex marriage.

They lost. Nia-Malika Henderson can argue that the GOP “has also been handed a reprieve” by the ruling but it hasn’t, not when 50 percent of Americans approve of how Obama – who supports Marriage Equality – is governing the country.

Likewise, Republican strategist Ana Navarro, who worked on John McCain’s 2008 campaign and for Jon Huntsman in 2012, wrote on CNN that “Republicans have also moved on the issue [of Marriage Equality], albeit more slowly.” If what we’re seeing is movement, we need to redefine the word. I think this must be some of the “math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better.”

As Jeremy Peters wrote in The New York Times, “There is a striking unanimity among the candidates who are running for the party’s presidential nomination in 2016: Not one supports allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry.” And, as he pointed out, in the wake of the SCOTUS ruling, they say they will “continue to resist.”

That’s not movement. If there is any discernible movement at all from conservative ranks, it’s movement backwards. As I pointed out yesterday, the GOP, far from moving forward, has begun to sound a lot like Rick Santorum.

Mike Huckabee complained that “some cowardly politicians will wave the white flag,” but hell, we can’t even stop them from waving the Confederate flag, and we whupped the Confederacy 150 years ago. If progress is being made at this rate, we can expect to be listening to them whine about gay people getting married in 2165.

I’m telling you, we can’t wait that long for a rational opposition party. If you think 2016 is shaping up to be lopsided, 2020 is going to be an outright joke.

So let’s do something now. Somebody out there, somebody, anybody, start a movement to take back the GOP from the fundamentalists, or for the sake of us all, start up a new party so we can kick these loons to the curb and get on with the business of sane debates cognizant of facts, not wishes, over where to take our great nation.



..

So what do you think? I think it's quite an accurate assessment of where things are with the party.

I would like better options of how to make things better for the people vs corporations and not just obstruction and hate filled rhetoric but that's me.

Discuss!
 
Last edited:

TheSlamma

Diamond Member
Sep 6, 2005
7,625
5
81
I would like better options of how to make things better for the people vs corporations and not just obstruction and hate filled rhetoric but that's me.

Problem with parties is they want you to subscribe to the entire package and then within that comes the deals and compromises that never figure out a way to help the backbone of this nation.
 
Feb 4, 2009
35,862
17,405
136
My opinion is they should kick the tea baggers to the curb, accept there will be losses and build from there.
 

CaptainGoodnight

Golden Member
Oct 13, 2000
1,427
30
91
Why is the left so obsessed with identity politics?

First of all the issue of marriage equality is not a Democratic or Republican Issue as detailed here. Marriage equality has always been divided along generational lines.

There are a lot of Republicans that are pro-choice, pro-gun control. Likewise the same for Democrats.

Stop labeling issues that are not left/right as such.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
35,851
10,165
136
My opinion is they should kick the tea baggers to the curb, accept there will be losses and build from there.

The alternative faction you'd hand the GOP over to is the Bush-ite Neocons. Did you enjoy his Presidency so much?
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
37,562
9
81
Be honest. Democrats want no opposition party. They want obedience. Even if there were another party that wasn't run by the nutjobs who run the GOP now, the Democrats would still label them as FASCISTS! BIGOTS! RACISTS! SEXISTS! HOMOPHOBES!

Dissent is patriotic... until Democrats are in charge.
 
Nov 25, 2013
32,083
11,718
136
Be honest. Democrats want no opposition party. They want obedience. Even if there were another party that wasn't run by the nutjobs who run the GOP now, the Democrats would still label them as FASCISTS! BIGOTS! RACISTS! SEXISTS! HOMOPHOBES!

Dissent is patriotic... until Democrats are in charge.

Not quite hyperbolic enough. Try harder.
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
29,873
463
126
Problem with parties is they want you to subscribe to the entire package and then within that comes the deals and compromises that never figure out a way to help the backbone of this nation.
Well said. A pox on both their houses.

Why is the left so obsessed with identity politics?

First of all the issue of marriage equality is not a Democratic or Republican Issue as detailed here. Marriage equality has always been divided along generational lines.

There are a lot of Republicans that are pro-choice, pro-gun control. Likewise the same for Democrats.

Stop labeling issues that are not left/right as such.
Agreed, but those who oppose gay marriage flock to the GOP in far greater numbers. I'm a registered Republican, but I won't pretend that my party (or at least the party I hate least at the moment - I used to be a Democrat) doesn't have a serious problem here.

Be honest. Democrats want no opposition party. They want obedience. Even if there were another party that wasn't run by the nutjobs who run the GOP now, the Democrats would still label them as FASCISTS! BIGOTS! RACISTS! SEXISTS! HOMOPHOBES!

Dissent is patriotic... until Democrats are in charge.
How true. A second party that is exactly like the Democrat Party is simply three primaries and no general.
 
Feb 6, 2007
16,432
1
81
Be honest. Democrats want no opposition party. They want obedience. Even if there were another party that wasn't run by the nutjobs who run the GOP now, the Democrats would still label them as FASCISTS! BIGOTS! RACISTS! SEXISTS! HOMOPHOBES!

Dissent is patriotic... until Democrats are in charge.

Of course Democrats want the Republican party around; they need someone to blame for all the evils of the world. Just like the Republicans need the Democrats. If either one were given absolute power, they'd very quickly discover that half their policy is complete shit when it comes to governance, and they'd have no one to point the finger at but themselves.
 

werepossum

Elite Member
Jul 10, 2006
29,873
463
126
Of course Democrats want the Republican party around; they need someone to blame for all the evils of the world. Just like the Republicans need the Democrats. If either one were given absolute power, they'd very quickly discover that half their policy is complete shit when it comes to governance, and they'd have no one to point the finger at but themselves.
I disagree. If either one were given absolute power, they'd very quickly discover that three quarters of their policy is complete shit when it comes to governance, and they'd point the finger at us. ;)
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
15,839
8,430
136
Get big money out of politics and the playing field will get leveled a bit, such that the Repubs, who are ever more reliant on that bottomless pit of cash that the very rich is gifting them with, will have to turn to the middle class and the poor to keep them in office. Same goes for those DINO's in the Dem Party.

The power of government should be wielded by the vast majority instead of the select few that somehow anointed themselves the CEO's of our government. The moment they realized that it's much easier to simply buy a politician and some Supreme Court judges than to buy a shitload of votes is when our nation took a nasty turn for the worse. That those corrupt judges then gave the very rich even more power and influence by deciding in favor of them in Citizens United was, in effect, the friendly confirming reach-around those rich-ass buggers were demanding and got.

IMO, all that we're seeing now in gov't is how those folks who have positioned themselves into being the handlers and managers of our politicians want to concentrate and lock in that influence and power they've managed to scam their way into possessing. That precludes the middle class and the poor from ever having the power over government they enjoyed when the middle class rose to prominence back in the late 40's and 50's.

Therein lies the struggle. Therein lies the problem that for the most part the GOP has become in the way of preventing the middle class and the poor from ascending that ladder of success toward better lives for themselves and their children.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
37,562
9
81
Not quite hyperbolic enough. Try harder.

Are you denying it? Even moderate dissent is met with derision by Democrats. No solution will work but the Democrat solution, all others are heretics.

Just look at the Rand Paul tax proposal thread. Even if it's not a perfect plan, or even a good plan, isn't it at least worthy of discussion? But Democrats jump in and started trash talking immediately. Democrats don't want debate, they want agreement.

There's no room for dissent in politics. If you can't see that, it's because you're blind, not because it isn't true.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
37,562
9
81
Of course Democrats want the Republican party around; they need someone to blame for all the evils of the world. Just like the Republicans need the Democrats. If either one were given absolute power, they'd very quickly discover that half their policy is complete shit when it comes to governance, and they'd have no one to point the finger at but themselves.

True, it applies to both. Politics is shit. So how do we minimize the smell?
 

MongGrel

Lifer
Dec 3, 2013
38,466
3,067
121
I disagree. If either one were given absolute power, they'd very quickly discover that three quarters of their policy is complete shit when it comes to governance, and they'd point the finger at us. ;)
:thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Nov 25, 2013
32,083
11,718
136
Are you denying it? Even moderate dissent is met with derision by Democrats. No solution will work but the Democrat solution, all others are heretics.

Just look at the Rand Paul tax proposal thread. Even if it's not a perfect plan, or even a good plan, isn't it at least worthy of discussion? But Democrats jump in and started trash talking immediately. Democrats don't want debate, they want agreement.

There's no room for dissent in politics. If you can't see that, it's because you're blind, not because it isn't true.

hyperbole is hyperbole is hyperbole. And, once again, mention both parties in passing while only condemning one. Keep up the good work.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
14,685
136
Be honest. Democrats want no opposition party. They want obedience. Even if there were another party that wasn't run by the nutjobs who run the GOP now, the Democrats would still label them as FASCISTS! BIGOTS! RACISTS! SEXISTS! HOMOPHOBES!

Dissent is patriotic... until Democrats are in charge.

Not quite hyperbolic enough. Try harder.

Yeh, needs a little Benghazi, or something.
 

michal1980

Diamond Member
Mar 7, 2003
8,019
43
91
And yes the republicans are bigots on gay marriage.

Obama never ever said that marriage should be between just a man and a woman. Nope, never said that. /s

Hilliary never said that either. Nope. Never ever. Its just those evil uneducated republicans.