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Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: TuxDave
I like how I know about opamps and every spec on the data sheet but have no clue on how it translates into sound.

<-- EE but not an audiophile :(

Same here. I could draw the schematic for one yet I have no clue what any of it means for sound.

I didn't either, until I spent this semester building active filters (high-pass, low-pass, band-pass, monkey-pass) and amplifiers and other random stuff in lab.
 

Demon-Xanth

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Feb 15, 2000
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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Burr Brown is just generally a good line for audio.
Other manufacturers tend to put focus into lots of areas for opamp design.


I'm a fan of the maxim line.
Max4475 is a lot easier to use than the usual opamps from BB.

Maxim makes some damned useful chips, but man, are they a lock-in to design with and release their datasheets well before the product is really a product and the datasheet should be finalized.

Edit: their resistor ladder IC not being one of them. I think the person that engineered that was trying to pad their resume or getting ready to retire and did it as a joke.
 

TuxDave

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Oct 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: eaj0010
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: TuxDave
I like how I know about opamps and every spec on the data sheet but have no clue on how it translates into sound.

<-- EE but not an audiophile :(

Same here. I could draw the schematic for one yet I have no clue what any of it means for sound.

Yes you do. Don't doubt yourself. Think of signal analysis and you'll remember.

So what specs make an op-amp more "laid back"? :)
 

PottedMeat

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Originally posted by: Pepsi90919
my Auzen X-Fi Prelude has changeable op-amps, anybody ever done that

I doubt you would hear the difference, unless you went to some totally out of spec opamp. Changing the output passives in the filter would probably be better - they should have put a smd protoboard on there or something heh.

 

Modelworks

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Feb 22, 2007
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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Burr Brown is just generally a good line for audio.
Other manufacturers tend to put focus into lots of areas for opamp design.


I'm a fan of the maxim line.
Max4475 is a lot easier to use than the usual opamps from BB.

Maxim makes some damned useful chips, but man, are they a lock-in to design with and release their datasheets well before the product is really a product and the datasheet should be finalized.

Edit: their resistor ladder IC not being one of them. I think the person that engineered that was trying to pad their resume or getting ready to retire and did it as a joke.

Yeah, I'm trying to get samples of the max6620 chip.
It really has me excited.
I've been working on building microprocessor controlled fan systems for people that like to overclock and that chip will be a dream come true.
Keep getting told, any day now they will have samples ready.


 

Analog

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I've been using op amps for a couple of decades... Having said that, I tell my students that there are some profound differences in the way they handle. Bob Widlar invented the op amp back in the 60s (uA702), and the technique of analog integrated circuits has been improved ever since. I think we spent 8 weeks back in grad school studying just the venerable 741. Saying that op amps from BB sound like tubes is, of course, ridiculous. Tubes sound like tubes because of how they clip and their harmonics.

I personally prefer op amps from PMI (Precision Monolithics), but Analog Devices are right up there with BB. I also believe that BB op amps have been on a steady decline since they were bought by TI. But the bottom line in these audio applications is choosing the right amp for the right application. Also, biasing, filtering, layout make big differences. The op amp configuration is also important, such as true differential topology or even the use of an instrumentation op amp on audio front end circuits.

You see, there is a very close analogy. When I worked for GM as a coop many moons ago, the same assembly line built a Cadillac and a Pontiac or a Chevy. Why was one perceived to be of higher quality then? Its how its treated when it leaves the factory. Same can be said about op amps. People that buy cheap op amps use them in circuits that are not up to par for sound, while a careful engineer may use a better op amp, but the circuit will also most certainly be different. You simply cannot still get away from the base specs of an op amp - but an OP27 from PMI, BB, TI, National, ADI or Maxim must conform to the same specs. How its actually used is then anybody's guess.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: Analog
I've been using op amps for a couple of decades... Having said that, I tell my students that there are some profound differences in the way they handle. Bob Widlar invented the op amp back in the 60s (uA702), and the technique of analog integrated circuits has been improved ever since. I think we spent 8 weeks back in grad school studying just the venerable 741. Saying that op amps from BB sound like tubes is, of course, ridiculous. Tubes sound like tubes because of how they clip and their harmonics.
The output impedance of tube amps also tends to be extremely high compared to SS amps.
 

A5

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Jun 9, 2000
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Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: TuxDave
I like how I know about opamps and every spec on the data sheet but have no clue on how it translates into sound.

<-- EE but not an audiophile :(

Same here. I could draw the schematic for one yet I have no clue what any of it means for sound.

I didn't either, until I spent this semester building active filters (high-pass, low-pass, band-pass, monkey-pass) and amplifiers and other random stuff in lab.

Which class were you taking? I just took 3042 and it sucked...
 

Leros

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Jul 11, 2004
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Originally posted by: rival
i thought this was about obama and you had made a typo :(

I find opamps much more interesting than Obama at this point.

<--- is getting tired of the elections and is also a EE
 

bobsmith1492

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If two op-amps share similar specs, are run in the same circuit, and aren't run to clipping or anything horrible like that then there won't be any difference. The placebo effect is a powerful thing.
 

Special K

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Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: TuxDave
I like how I know about opamps and every spec on the data sheet but have no clue on how it translates into sound.

<-- EE but not an audiophile :(

Same here. I could draw the schematic for one yet I have no clue what any of it means for sound.

I didn't either, until I spent this semester building active filters (high-pass, low-pass, band-pass, monkey-pass) and amplifiers and other random stuff in lab.

I understand filters, gain, and frequency response, but based on the audiophile discussions I have read, sound quality goes far beyond those metrics.
 

herm0016

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maxium makes some nice stuff, i have some great little amps that will run rail to rail without saturating on less than 3 volts. I dont remember the number but we built a very small heart monitor for infints out of them.
 

Howard

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Oct 14, 1999
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Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: George P Burdell
Originally posted by: Special K
Originally posted by: TuxDave
I like how I know about opamps and every spec on the data sheet but have no clue on how it translates into sound.

<-- EE but not an audiophile :(

Same here. I could draw the schematic for one yet I have no clue what any of it means for sound.

I didn't either, until I spent this semester building active filters (high-pass, low-pass, band-pass, monkey-pass) and amplifiers and other random stuff in lab.

I understand filters, gain, and frequency response, but based on the audiophile discussions I have read, sound quality goes far beyond those metrics.
You also have to understand that audiophiles can hear what they want to hear...