OOOOO NEC's new monitors!

[hans007]

Originally posted by: xtknight
It depends on your definition of gamer. The majority of gamers probably use LCDs by now, and this will be a godsend compared to the 6-bit TNs they're stuck with. For the few who were lucky enough to get DiamondTrons when they were good QC, probably not.

well the 17 and 19" NEC gx2 monitors ARE 6-bit TN monitors.

the 20" is AS-IPS which is fantastic, but the new PRO one is exactly the same as the non pro.

 

[gorka]

i'll be waiting for the 20" Pro model.

my only complaint about that model (the non PRO) is the gloss on the screen...too much for my taste.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: gorka
i'll be waiting for the 20" Pro model.

my only complaint about that model (the non PRO) is the gloss on the screen...too much for my taste.

i think the pro and non pro are exactly the same. they are just adding the pro so it can match the 17 and 19" units (which actually had a real improvement, the refresh went from 4ms to 2ms) . that 26" mentioned is not a glossy though, since its not in the gamer line (the G)

 

[clickynext]

I think what we need is for them to figure out a way to develop a large high resolution monitor that can do non-native resolutions reasonably. Right now, if you're gaming on a large display, sometimes you are given a choice between two undesirables: either chugging the game by trying to run the native resolution, or scaling down and letting the quality go to crap.

 

[yhelothar]

People don't want smaller dot pitches because they don't know that they could make everything look normal by adjusting the dpi setting in windows.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

There's actually plenty for gamers to be excited about: a display that can not only exceed the color gamut of most CRTs and all current consumer LCDs (72%), but one that'll be able to maintain a response time as well as the fastest LCDs. They'll also have the widest viewing angle possible.

Great. It'll still be stuck at one resolution, have inferior black levels and have problems with lag/response/ghosting compared to CRTs.

Like I said, I see nothing here to excite gamers. A new CRT would excite gamers.

Yup the black levels is the biggest issue with LCD's now.
I'm using a dual monitor Sony G520 Trinitron with a Dell 2001FP side by side. I often play games spanned across both screens. The CRT is like night and day better for those dark games, like oblivion at night. The LCD just looks like this washed out mess of gray, while the CRT gives strong, deep blacks. I don't think I can go back to LCD gaming now.

 

[hans007]

i have an nec 20wmgx2. basically the best lcd you can get.

the black is probably better than every monitor i've had. and i'd say the best monitor i ever had was a KDS 19" using a trinitron tube (it was the same as the sony g500 back in teh day) and this is still probably better.

i also grew up using a 20" nano flexcan 750i. a $2000 crt in its day and probably one of the best cad monitors of the time.

and there is no WAY those monitors were as good as a premium LCD of this day. maybe better than a cheapy value LCD. but even though its not always true, you do get what you pay for.

its not fair to compare a top of the line CRT that is now on closeout, to a value LCD. if you compared a "value" crt back in the day , to a value LCD now, i think youd' take the lcd. and back when crts were everywhere a 19" cost maybe $200 which is about what a 19" decent dvi lcd costs (not to mention the 19" crt was probably only 18" viewable, and you had to have a video card with perfect analog out for it to not have smearing issues at high res, whereas now a DVI lcd will have a perfect picture on a dvi card)


plus it takes less deskspace and doesnt weigh 70 pounds. all i can say is CRTs good riddance and Lcds are only going to keep getting better. my first LCD 4 years ago paled in comparison to what i have now. though most of the cheap TN panels really do have that crappy black problem and washed out colors. but thats what you get for going cheap on an lcd just like a cheap CRT would be crappy back in the day as well.

 

[Zebo]

LCD2690UXi is going to cost about $1600 street geared tward graphic pros with 92+% abobe color gamet with no opticlear but matte screen instead.... the 24" GX2 OTOH with glossy screen is for mainstream and gamers about $900 street according to my contact at NEC. Thats my next monitor. IME there's NEC and everything else is garbage relativly speaking.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: NanoStuff
Wow, yet another LCD. How exciting.

Not just any LCD... Have you actually seen one of the NEC 20" monitors?

I've seen the model #K20WMGX2.

Again, it's just another LCD. Amongst the better LCDs I've seen, perhaps the best, but only by a hair. It suffers from the same color and off-axis distortion as any other LCD I've seen, including dithering and dynamic range compression.

It's a bit frustrating hearing about all these superior technologies, Laser/LED/SED yet not having anything to upgrade to from an L90D+. The only justified upgrade would be a monster CRT display, but I'm not desperate enough to get one of those just yet.

untrue you obviously never seen one or saw it in a lighted up store where light were distorting image.

Here are a couple shots at about 75%
http://62.204.32.7:10973/NEWPIC_02/IMG_XA02.JPG
http://62.204.32.7:10973/NEWPIC_02/IMG_XU02.jpg

To even compare that budget POS TN you got to a GX2 is a compete joke.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

There's actually plenty for gamers to be excited about: a display that can not only exceed the color gamut of most CRTs and all current consumer LCDs (72%), but one that'll be able to maintain a response time as well as the fastest LCDs. They'll also have the widest viewing angle possible.

Great. It'll still be stuck at one resolution, have inferior black levels and have problems with lag/response/ghosting compared to CRTs.

Like I said, I see nothing here to excite gamers. A new CRT would excite gamers.

I agree hopping from one LCD to another is getter old. Some things you can't remedy with this technology it seems. Res, response times & lag all heavy gamer important.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Originally posted by: Zebo
LCD2690UXi is going to cost about $1600 street geared tward graphic pros with 92+% abobe color gamet with no opticlear but matte screen instead.... the 24" GX2 OTOH with glossy screen is for mainstream and gamers about $900 street according to my contact at NEC. Thats my next monitor. IME there's NEC and everything else is garbage relativly speaking.

any hints of when it'll be available?