There is a near 100% get-what-they-deserve rate for guys like that, just not always soon enuf. As far as keeping guns handy around the house, you'd feel alot worse if your baby bro shot your sister accidentally. Nice try of your dad to try and give him the car.
i live in granada hills. really safe neighborhood... we are as sub-urban as it gets! any more north and you leave LA county... we are really far from downtown. like 35 miles away! stuff like this happens everywhere. the robbers come up to the sub-urbs to 'steal from the "rich" and give to the "poor".'
Gooberlx2
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I really think it's more like "steal from the rich, keep for themselves, and take advantage of the innocent"
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As far as the black criminal debate goes....
My brother and his friends (4 people total) were held-up in their car in a parking-lot in Detroit many years ago. Yes, it was a black dude (a couple of them actually). They were held-up and asked for money. Between everyone in the car they had maybe ~$3 in coins. The guy on the passenger side slapped the change out of the passenger's hand and shot him in the knee, while the guy on the driver's side kept his gun pressed against my brother's head. Then they took off. Needless to say my brother hauled a$$ to the nearest hospital they could find, where they were told to take a seat and wait by all the other non-urgent gun-shot victims. Later, the police told them it was most likely a gang-initiation kind of thing since it hadn't gone any further and no one was seriously hurt (being shot in the knee must be a common thing).
Anyway, my brother was absolutely paranoid of young black men for awhile after that. But he never blamed black people as a whole. It's just that the experience made/makes him edgey around them.....understandably so.
I don't think that anyone is asserting that black people or any minorities are predestined to be criminals, but minorities do dominate urban ghettos....where most of this type of crime happens. It's the poverty, up-bringing, and poor peer-community that makes people into criminals (I feel). Take a piece of sh!tty white trash from Chippewa Falls, WI, for example (underage pregnancy capital of the US when I went to school near there), and you'll find that they're lazy, abusive, drunk child-abandoning losers....just like the rest of their friends.
I guess i'll be slinging the crap today.
You bet he was holding it sideways... why, because he was black and must listen to rap? Therefore rap is "black" music? I'm about as white as they come, and i've listened to rap for about 8 years. I know lots of people that are white that listen to rap. It's not the only kind of music i listen to, but it is in frequent rotation. This doesn't mean i want to be black, or "act black", or "dress black".
There are a lot of stories in this thread about crimes committed by black people. While i don't doubt any of these stories, i worry that people will read these and will begin to fear any black people on the street. There are lots of bad people, of all races. There are also lots of good people, of all races. From the sound of some of these replies, some of you will encounter black people that could become important people in your life, but you fear them and will avoid any involvement with them. Just b/c they are a different race, don't assume they are a bad person.
Before i throw on my flamesuit, i do realize that just b/c you posted a story in here about black crime doesn't mean you are racist or that what i said applies to you. I just get an overall sense in this thread that the OP's story was an open door to some to makes claims that blacks are likely to be criminals. For every story about black crime in this thread, i bet there is an AT member that could tell a story about white crime, asian crime, etc. *Steps off soapbox*
I feel bad for the OP and hope they catch the person responsible. Glad to hear no one was hurt.
skyking
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- Nov 21, 2001
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I am very glad your dad and family kept your cool and are all here to tell the story. Your dad deserves an award for his actions, protecting his family.
about the dogs;
I've had Dobermans, Rottwielers, mixed shepherd/dobermans, and various other mutts. I've trained dogs for protection in a formal training environment, bite on command, etc.
Breed really does not matter, except when the insurance comapany wants to jack up your rates or deny you homeowners, for having a "dangerous dog". The rotties, shepherds, retrievers and such all shed, and are a pain in the arse that way.
My recommendation for a great guard dog for the family is a Standard bred Poodle. No kidding.
They hardly lose a hair, are very intelligent and trainable. Look at the circus dogs in the first part of the century, mostly poodles. At 60 pounds or so, I would not mess with one with a smart, nasty gleam in his eye and a growl in his throat.
I am very glad your dad and family kept your cool and are all here to tell the story. Your dad deserves an award for his actions, protecting his family.
about the dogs;
I've had Dobermans, Rottwielers, mixed shepherd/dobermans, and various other mutts. I've trained dogs for protection in a formal training environment, bite on command, etc.
Breed really does not matter, except when the insurance comapany wants to jack up your rates or deny you homeowners, for having a "dangerous dog". The rotties, shepherds, retrievers and such all shed, and are a pain in the arse that way.
My recommendation for a great guard dog for the family is a Standard bred Poodle. No kidding.
They hardly lose a hair, are very intelligent and trainable. Look at the circus dogs in the first part of the century, mostly poodles. At 60 pounds or so, I would not mess with one with a smart, nasty gleam in his eye and a growl in his throat.
fenrir
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- Apr 6, 2001
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Sounds like you have some issues with people in Chippewa Falls.
I live in Eau Claire and it is at least an extremely safe area. I would say that I would put the alcoholic part first, which leads to lazy, and the rest just follows in tow. Why do you think the area has so many bars? Although, I think we have slipped to number 3 in the 'bars per capita' ranking. I think you would find it very difficult to find people in the area who are likely to take a gun and rob someone, even with the way they grew up.
Matt
I wrote almost the exact same thing for a college essay. Unfortunately my crazy professor is fan of the "blaming the victim" mentality. According to her, it's obviously the white man's fault, and we need to pay all black people reparations. She also started crying during class because her brothers are in jail due to the police department's love of arresting the Mexicans.
That was the worst class I've ever taken.
OS
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yes, when it happens to you or someone you know, then you can speak from experience. My cousin incidentally was stabbed for his bicycle in the northridge area. When I was told, I was infuriated. Fortunately, he ended up being ok.
It made me think about the situation and if someone attacked me with a knife, they better hope I go down because if I get the upper hand, I will have no problems killing that person with his own knife and walking away. I won't even hang around to wait for police clean up because the principle of facing scrutiny for an attack on my life is ridiculous.
I am sorry that you think that way becuase you know it couldnt be there upbringing or anything. :roll:
BTW what happened with your car? How did you know it was a black guy didnt it just disapear overnight?
-Xionide
ok, so i will be making a racial judgement, but i dont think i will be making a logical mistake. my family owns convenient stores and we've been robbed at gun point twice. both times by a black man. most shoplifting that occurs in the shop are done by black kids (not to say are only done by black kids, but most). so i am not allowed to make a judgement based upon my past experience and be more cautious around black people? simple logic, based upon my previous experience, will tell me to be more cautious and nervous around black people than white people.
using that same logic, here is another example. i go to a university where there are alot of foreign students. i noticed that most of the time when the latino students see each other they would kiss each other on the cheek. so am i wrong to assume that the race as a whole likes to kiss each other on the cheek as a form of hello?
basically what i am just pointing out is that most of the people here are not racist when they say they are more cautious or nervous around black people.
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