Ontarians want more spending with a deficit

[Stunt]

In a new poll done by ses-research, Ontarians want to use an unexpected 1 billion dollars in revenues on MORE government spending. That's right, 56% of respondents want increased spending, 24% on deficit reduction, 17% on tax cuts.

This is just nutty considering the Liberal government is running low in the polls because they raised taxes.

Just let that sink in for a second, they want taxes to stay the same, they want increased spending and don't care that the province posted over a $6 billion deficit....

I swear, Canadians are too liberal for their own good. BUT...get this, also in the survey is a poll asking people if they support private investment in the following areas.

Heathcare - 61% support , 32% oppose
Schools - 58% support , 34% oppose
Roads - 54% support , 37% oppose
Transit - 54% support , 33% oppose
Water and Sewage - 52% support , 36% oppose

Can somebody please explain this mindset...Am I the only one shaking my head on this?

 

[Riprorin]

Your health care system is a disaster.

We would have had the same mess if Hillary had her way.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Your health care system is a disaster.

We would have had the same mess if Hillary had her way.

I happen to like our healthcare system.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Stunt
In a new poll done by ses-research, Ontarians want to use an unexpected 1 billion dollars in revenues on MORE government spending. That's right, 56% of respondents want increased spending, 24% on deficit reduction, 17% on tax cuts.

This is just nutty considering the Liberal government is running low in the polls because they raised taxes.

Just let that sink in for a second, they want taxes to stay the same, they want increased spending and don't care that the province posted over a $6 billion deficit....

I swear, Canadians are too liberal for their own good. BUT...get this, also in the survey is a poll asking people if they support private investment in the following areas.

Heathcare - 61% support , 32% oppose
Schools - 58% support , 34% oppose
Roads - 54% support , 37% oppose
Transit - 54% support , 33% oppose
Water and Sewage - 52% support , 36% oppose

Can somebody please explain this mindset...Am I the only one shaking my head on this?

When someone else is paying the tab, it is easy to vote for more spending.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: charrison

When someone else is paying the tab, it is easy to vote for more spending.

Not exactly an 'ontario-specific' problem.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Stunt
In a new poll done by ses-research, Ontarians want to use an unexpected 1 billion dollars in revenues on MORE government spending. That's right, 56% of respondents want increased spending, 24% on deficit reduction, 17% on tax cuts.

This is just nutty considering the Liberal government is running low in the polls because they raised taxes.

Just let that sink in for a second, they want taxes to stay the same, they want increased spending and don't care that the province posted over a $6 billion deficit....

I swear, Canadians are too liberal for their own good. BUT...get this, also in the survey is a poll asking people if they support private investment in the following areas.

Heathcare - 61% support , 32% oppose
Schools - 58% support , 34% oppose
Roads - 54% support , 37% oppose
Transit - 54% support , 33% oppose
Water and Sewage - 52% support , 36% oppose

Can somebody please explain this mindset...Am I the only one shaking my head on this?

When someone else is paying the tab, it is easy to vote for more spending.

Yep, the Republicans sure do a great job of spending our money.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Stunt
In a new poll done by ses-research, Ontarians want to use an unexpected 1 billion dollars in revenues on MORE government spending. That's right, 56% of respondents want increased spending, 24% on deficit reduction, 17% on tax cuts.

This is just nutty considering the Liberal government is running low in the polls because they raised taxes.

Just let that sink in for a second, they want taxes to stay the same, they want increased spending and don't care that the province posted over a $6 billion deficit....

I swear, Canadians are too liberal for their own good. BUT...get this, also in the survey is a poll asking people if they support private investment in the following areas.

Heathcare - 61% support , 32% oppose
Schools - 58% support , 34% oppose
Roads - 54% support , 37% oppose
Transit - 54% support , 33% oppose
Water and Sewage - 52% support , 36% oppose

Can somebody please explain this mindset...Am I the only one shaking my head on this?

When someone else is paying the tab, it is easy to vote for more spending.

Yep, the Republicans sure do a great job of spending our money.

THis is a problem that comes along with progressive taxation. People have figured out they can vote themsevles the treasury.

 

[Engineer]

Uh, folks...right now China is paying the tab. In more deficits than one!

As for Canada, I'm not for MORE government spending anywhere. Debt sucks! blah!

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Engineer
Uh, folks...right now China is paying the tab. In more deficits than one!

As for Canada, I'm not for MORE government spending anywhere. Debt sucks! blah!

All debt is not bad, debt that is wasted is bad.

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Engineer
Uh, folks...right now China is paying the tab. In more deficits than one!

As for Canada, I'm not for MORE government spending anywhere. Debt sucks! blah!

All debt is not bad, debt that is wasted is bad.

Actually, I do agree (i.e. have learned that here) with you on that point. The goverment pork is just staggering though. The budget could be balanced very easily and nice tax breaks given (or slight deficit reduction) with cuts in un-necessary spending. Like you say so very often and accurately....people vote themselves the treasury. As long as the politicians give it to them, they'll keep voting it (and them) in.

 

[Stunt]

I'm curious, american conservatives...solution to most fiscal problems is to reduce spending. Currently the US spends 20% of gdp, compare that with over 36% in Canada...yet we still demand more spending (oddly enough).

Just wondering what you think adequate spending is?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: Stunt
I'm curious, american conservatives...solution to most fiscal problems is to reduce spending. Currently the US spends 20% of gdp, compare that with over 36% in Canada...yet we still demand more spending (oddly enough).

Just wondering what you think adequate spending is?

Less than what's borrowed?

Canada's tax rate must be outrageous if spending 36% of GDP and STILL have surplus. I've almost (read again, almost) come to the conclusion that if spending grows slower than real GDP growth, then it's not so bad. I would still rather (I guess I place too much of my personal life here on this one) see a few years where we actually pay "down" the deficit. Maybe a 2 up and 2 down situation. I understand that debt. can be good....hell, we all borrow to get things that improve our lives, etc. But the continual borrowing is what really makes me nervous.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Your health care system is a disaster.

We would have had the same mess if Hillary had her way.

I happen to like our healthcare system.

A boy's plight, a nation's problem

2 1/2 years to get a NMR? Unbelievable.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Your health care system is a disaster.

We would have had the same mess if Hillary had her way.

I happen to like our healthcare system.

A boy's plight, a nation's problem

2 1/2 years to get a NMR? Unbelievable.

How long has Cananda had Healthcare for all?

Has Canada ever had an over abundance of Medical equipment?

Judging by your post, you are implying that all of a sudden Canada has no equipment.

Where did it all go, to the U.S.?

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: Stunt
I'm curious, american conservatives...solution to most fiscal problems is to reduce spending. Currently the US spends 20% of gdp, compare that with over 36% in Canada...yet we still demand more spending (oddly enough).

Just wondering what you think adequate spending is?

Less than what's borrowed?

Canada's tax rate must be outrageous if spending 36% of GDP and STILL have surplus. I've almost (read again, almost) come to the conclusion that if spending grows slower than real GDP growth, then it's not so bad. I would still rather (I guess I place too much of my personal life here on this one) see a few years where we actually pay "down" the deficit. Maybe a 2 up and 2 down situation. I understand that debt. can be good....hell, we all borrow to get things that improve our lives, etc. But the continual borrowing is what really makes me nervous.

Taxation in Canada is higher, not going to argue that, but so i have read about the subject, it turns out that as long as you make $100,000 a year you are better off in Canada as cost of living tends to be much lower.

It is above the $100,000 point where technically it is better for Canadians to work in the states to make the most of their income. My dad has had many opportunities to work in the states, but he's wanted us to grow up here as he feels the quality of life is better. (he has lots of experiences in the US, Europe, and Asia).

Another interesting thing is due to our social infrastructure in SS, heathcare, and lower employee expendatures (cost of living) it actually costs companies less (for the most part) to do business in Canada relative to the US.

So while I see many opportunities for spending control and government reform (Conservative Party advocate), I see some good that comes out of our social infrastructure.

 

[Riprorin]

Something must be done immediately to stop frustrated patients from leaving local emergency rooms untreated, a New Democrat MLA said Wednesday

"It is no longer possible to have any confidence that you can get urgent care when you need it in metro hospitals," Mr. Wilson said in the release. "Patients are waiting so long, they are giving up and going home."

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Your health care system is a disaster.

We would have had the same mess if Hillary had her way.

I happen to like our healthcare system.

A boy's plight, a nation's problem

2 1/2 years to get a NMR? Unbelievable.

How long has Cananda had Healthcare for all?

Has Canada ever had an over abundance of Medical equipment?

Judging by your post, you are implying that all of a sudden Canada has no equipment.

Where did it all go, to the U.S.?

Yeah, we knocked out their tank and took it all.

 

[Engineer]

I won't argue that it costs business less. Our company has several plants in Canada and they are by far lower than US costs to operate. They don't quite beat Mexico, but they are much better than the US.

Interesting that tax rates are higher, but costs of doing business are lower. Very interesting indeed.

One item that does help Canada is that is does have a hefty supply of oil to rely on. No importing of oil (actually exporting it also) really helps the Canadian economy. When I heard that the US had a trade deficit with Canada, I didn't understand that Canada had that much oil. I now understand the trade deficit (or at least I think I do).

Also interesting that 77% of Canadians would rather expand trade with China and reduce trade with the US (saw that in the poll posted a few days ago).

 

[Stunt]

US and Canadian Systems Compared

Quality of care

While Canada?s health system is cheaper, it compares well on a statistical level with the American one. Life expectancy in 2002 was about two and a half years lower in the United States than in Canada, with Canadians living to an average of 79.8 years and Americans 77.3. Infant and child mortality rates are also markedly higher in the United States.

When comparisons of public satisfaction are made between the two nations' health care systems, the numbers for Canadians and insured Americans are almost identical. This holds true in average annual doctor's visits. While a good number of Canadians complained that they were unable to receive treatment due to long wait lists, overall Canadians had no greater number of people who were unable to receive treatment than insured Americans.

A much greater difference was seen, however, between uninsured Americans and Canadians. Overall the uninsured group was much less satisfied, less likely to have seen a doctor, and more likely to have been unable to receive desired care than both Canadians and insured Americans. This leads to numbers somewhat lower for Americans.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Something must be done immediately to stop frustrated patients from leaving local emergency rooms untreated, a New Democrat MLA said Wednesday

"It is no longer possible to have any confidence that you can get urgent care when you need it in metro hospitals," Mr. Wilson said in the release. "Patients are waiting so long, they are giving up and going home."

Hahahah, wow...first time I've seen you endorse the words of a socialist.
Those guys are more left than the Liberals

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Engineer
I won't argue that it costs business less. Our company has several plants in Canada and they are by far lower than US costs to operate. They don't quite beat Mexico, but they are much better than the US.

Interesting that tax rates are higher, but costs of doing business are lower. Very interesting indeed.

One item that does help Canada is that is does have a hefty supply of oil to rely on. No importing of oil (actually exporting it also) really helps the Canadian economy. When I heard that the US had a trade deficit with Canada, I didn't understand that Canada had that much oil. I now understand the trade deficit (or at least I think I do).

Also interesting that 77% of Canadians would rather expand trade with China and reduce trade with the US (saw that in the poll posted a few days ago).

a) The Canadian system puts more of the burden on the citizens and they accept this, quite happily unfortunately.
b) If this poll (OP) is indicative of anything, Canadians are idiots. Intelligent people understand the good long standing trade friendship we have.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Something must be done immediately to stop frustrated patients from leaving local emergency rooms untreated, a New Democrat MLA said Wednesday

"It is no longer possible to have any confidence that you can get urgent care when you need it in metro hospitals," Mr. Wilson said in the release. "Patients are waiting so long, they are giving up and going home."

Hahahah, wow...first time I've seen you endorse the words of a socialist.
Those guys are more left than the Liberals

You guys are all leftists.

 

[Riprorin]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: Riprorin
Something must be done immediately to stop frustrated patients from leaving local emergency rooms untreated, a New Democrat MLA said Wednesday

"It is no longer possible to have any confidence that you can get urgent care when you need it in metro hospitals," Mr. Wilson said in the release. "Patients are waiting so long, they are giving up and going home."

Hahahah, wow...first time I've seen you endorse the words of a socialist.
Those guys are more left than the Liberals

How do the Socialists propose to fix the health care mess that you guys have up there?

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
You guys are all leftists.

Hey now...lets not start with the generalizations...you guys have some stereotypes too

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: Riprorin
How do the Socialists propose to fix the health care mess that you guys have up there?

More money, they don't like the large surpluses and aggressive debt reduction our government has been undertaking. They would like to keep the public system, and not allow any private clinics (ie. government to buy back current private clinics).