Only upgrade every 4-6 years, worth it to go Ryzen 2700 + X470?

[DownTheSky]

How much does CAS 14 vs. 15 vs. 16 matter?

Some possible memory options I'm seeing:

• G.Skill Trident Z 3200 CL 14 for $210 <-- Cheapest 3200 with CL <=15 on PC Part picker
  
• G.Skill Ripjaw V 3200 CL 16 for $180 @ Microcenter (similar on PC Part picker)
• G.Skill Ripjaw V 3000 CL 15 for $162

CAS matters a lot. Sub-timings matter too. 1st one is B-die.

Getting b-die is not enough. You'll have to tighten the sub-timings manually too (in BIOS). There are guides with examples on the internet for that.

I'd go with the memory suggested by this guy. It's better supported by MB makers so you probably won't need to search the internet for sub-timings:

4) I went with Corsair LPX DDR4-3200 memory. 16GB for $210 was about the best I could find. It’s not the fastest memory or the cheapest but I think the value is there. Plus they are low profile so large air coolers don’t get in the way.

 

[Kolath]

Okay I think I'm just about ready to pull the trigger. Here's the final draft. Yes, admittedly I fell a little victim to the old "well.. what's another $30..." on a bunch of these But I suspect that is familiar to folks frequenting an enthusiast PC forum.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($143.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($220.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.18 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $88.85)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus - PB278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1197.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-22 16:28 EDT-0400

 

[whm1974]

Okay I think I'm just about ready to pull the trigger. Here's the final draft. Yes, admittedly I fell a little victim to the old "well.. what's another $30..." on a bunch of these But I suspect that is familiar to folks frequenting an enthusiast PC forum.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($143.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($220.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.18 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $88.85)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus - PB278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1197.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-22 16:28 EDT-0400

Pretty good specs at that price. Should last you a long time, although at some point you will need to upgrade your GPU.

 

[Kolath]

ASRock X470 vs. Gigabyte Aurus Ultra... cost difference is like $10 but ASRock comes with wifi (which I don't need but for $10 I'll take it for possible LAN party. But any thoughts on reliablity? Is ASRock a good brand? I've loved my gigabyte current board.

And yes GPU will definitely get an upgrade. My girlfriend is talking about wanting to get a VR set for Christmas, so hoping GPU prices go down in 6 months or so.

 

[cmdrdredd]

From what I remember Asrock was started by Asus and they separated. Very good boards

 

[Markfw]

ASRock X470 vs. Gigabyte Aurus Ultra... cost difference is like $10 but ASRock comes with wifi (which I don't need but for $10 I'll take it for possible LAN party. But any thoughts on reliablity? Is ASRock a good brand? I've loved my gigabyte current board.

And yes GPU will definitely get an upgrade. My girlfriend is talking about wanting to get a VR set for Christmas, so hoping GPU prices go down in 6 months or so.

I used to like Gigabyte, but no more. I also have a defective ASUS board (one channel of memory stopped working) but its out of warranty. I would stick with what you have or the Taichi.

 

[krumme]

Okay I think I'm just about ready to pull the trigger. Here's the final draft. Yes, admittedly I fell a little victim to the old "well.. what's another $30..." on a bunch of these But I suspect that is familiar to folks frequenting an enthusiast PC forum.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($143.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($220.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.18 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $88.85)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus - PB278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1197.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-22 16:28 EDT-0400

This should last you years.
Consider upgrading cpu to zen 2 in 2.5 years time buying a cheap one used and plug in when zen 3 have been around for half a year.
At the same time perhaps upgrade to 32gb before ddr4 is totally replaced but still cheap vs ddr5. Will give you a few years extra at little cost.
Then there shoud be power to upgrade the gpu even 3 times during a 6 year span if needed.
Enjoy.

 

[Kolath]

Everything purchased!

Thank you everyone for your input!

 

[scannall]

Everything purchased!

Thank you everyone for your input!

Let us know how the build goes.

 

[rgallant]

Everything purchased!

Thank you everyone for your input!

Another Happy ending at Anand
looks like a great system
cheers

 

[StinkyPinky]

Okay I think I'm just about ready to pull the trigger. Here's the final draft. Yes, admittedly I fell a little victim to the old "well.. what's another $30..." on a bunch of these But I suspect that is familiar to folks frequenting an enthusiast PC forum.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7GHz 8-Core Processor ($329.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock - X470 Master SLI/AC ATX AM4 Motherboard ($143.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($220.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung - 960 EVO 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive ($199.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($44.18 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA - GeForce GTX 970 4GB Superclocked+ ACX 2.0 Video Card (Purchased For $0.00)
Case: Fractal Design - Define C ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $88.85)
Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA G3 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($89.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus - PB278QR 27.0" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor (Purchased For $0.00)
Total: $1197.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-04-22 16:28 EDT-0400

Looks great! And yes, no harm in waiting for a GPU deal.

 

[bigboxes]

Everything purchased!

Thank you everyone for your input!

I want to see a write up on your build and pics, too!

 

[Candleflight]

This month I upgraded from a Q6600 @3.25Ghz on Asus P5K (P35) to a Ryzen 1600 and Aurus gaming 7. Already had a 970GTX. So a similar situation. Mainly play Bf1. If you are playing 1080p the 1600 seems more than enough. Also got an 860 EVO M.2, as it is much cheaper than NVME drives.

 

[awi5951]

Gaming is a wash? The 2700X is clearly behind in gaming, by about the same margin the 8700K is behind in multi-threaded throughput. Programming depends entirely on the compiler, and VR shows better performance on a 7700K compared to a R7 1700 https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2871-amd-vs-intel-vr-cpu-benchmarks-with-vive-and-rift?showall=1 so unless you have sources to prove that a 2700X beats a 8700K in VR gaming that is just a (wrong) assumption on your part.

Upgrade ability is a clear plus for the Ryzen platform, but rather meaningless for someone who upgrades every 4 - 6 years.

No not true the 2700x wins in multithread by up to 40 percent and behind 10 in single core performance.

 

[Triloby]

Gaming is a wash? The 2700X is clearly behind in gaming, by about the same margin the 8700K is behind in multi-threaded throughput. Programming depends entirely on the compiler, and VR shows better performance on a 7700K compared to a R7 1700 https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2871-amd-vs-intel-vr-cpu-benchmarks-with-vive-and-rift?showall=1 so unless you have sources to prove that a 2700X beats a 8700K in VR gaming that is just a (wrong) assumption on your part.

Upgrade ability is a clear plus for the Ryzen platform, but rather meaningless for someone who upgrades every 4 - 6 years.

Considering that the OP is sticking with his GTX 970 for his GPU, he's more likely to be GPU-bound in his games than CPU-bound. Unless he upgrades to a 1070 or higher, the 2700X isn't going to lag behind in regular gaming. The only sticking point is VR, and even then, I'm not so sure if the performance delta is any bigger between the 2700X and 8700K if OP sticks with his GTX 970.

 

[awi5951]

There has been some talk in other threads about anandtech’s results not matching up with other sites. For example they show that an 8700k is slower than older intel cpus in some tests. Clearly something going on since so many other sites are showing intel to have an advantage in gaming due to single thread performance being a bit better and not every game using heavy multi threading.

I will say though that it appears that the motherboard used plays a significant role in 2700x performance numbers.

Those other review sites may have that auto overclocking on by default in bios. Thats a issue on youtube when coffee lake launched, review sites passed off overclocked numbers as stock numbers for coffee lake reviews not knowning some motherboards auto overclocked the cpus in bios by default.

 

[qookap]

Is here the fan boys heaven?fake result, strange talking. I have both platform now. the ryzen ipc only grow 3% with structure and totally 10% by clock.
for gaming? you should look this..watch 8600K vs 2700X vs 1700 4GHz.

Why can't you play nice in this area?
You've been warned many times before.
User call-outs and terms like "fan boys" is
not allowed.
Take a day off and think about it.

AT Mod Usandthem

I already choose the game witch is amd advantage. Boyfried 1, 8400 win.
​

Far Cry 5..8400 win.

If you looking a review, just leave some fan sites. those fake result will ruin your budget.
I bought the 2700X only for the ture. now... I'll put it to warehouse.

 

[rbk123]

This month I upgraded from a Q6600 @3.25Ghz on Asus P5K (P35) to a Ryzen 1600 and Aurus gaming 7. Already had a 970GTX. So a similar situation. Mainly play Bf1. If you are playing 1080p the 1600 seems more than enough. Also got an 860 EVO M.2, as it is much cheaper than NVME drives.

Aside from gaming, how is your upgrade performing vs. the 6600? I'm still using mine at 3.2G for my home office. (I don't game)

 

[Zucker2k]

So even AMD with their normally skewed take on hardware comparisons with rival Intel (because they test their systems against Intel systems fitted with slow ram and crappy coolers, and in favourable game titles) even AMD indicated they are within 1-2% of Intel in (the more favourable to AMD) 1440p Gaming, whereas the people who are supposed to be neutral in all these have found ways to neuter the Intel systems even further for whatever reason? Hmmm. Way to go! Or is anybody here trying to tell me AMD tested against unpatched Intel systems? LMAO! The desperation is real, but time will surely tell when the dust clears.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/1262...yzen-7-2700x-2700-ryzen-5-2600x-2600#comments

Due to the tight deadline of our testing and results, we pushed both our CPU and gaming tests live without as much formal analysis as we typically like to do. All the parts were competitive, however it quickly became clear that some of our results were not aligned with those from other media. Initially we were under the impression that this was as a result of the Spectre and Meltdown (or Smeltdown) updates, as we were one of the few media outlets to go back and perform retesting under the new standard.

Nonetheless, we decided to take an extensive internal audit of our testing to ensure that our results were accurate and completely reproducible. Or, failing that, understanding why our results differed. No stone was left un-turned: hardware, software, firmware, tweaks, and code. As a result of that process we believe we have found the reason for our testing being so different from the results of others, and interestingly it opened a sizable can of worms we were not expecting.

Oh noes!!!

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12678/a-timely-discovery-examining-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-results

 

[krumme]

Oh noes!!!

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12678/a-timely-discovery-examining-amd-2nd-gen-ryzen-results

Take the drama down a notch. Nothing changed in regards to advice in this thread.
https://forums.anandtech.com/index.php?posts/39395522
AT just come into parity to what the advice was based on. Eg computerbase.
Good informative article btw.

 

[Zucker2k]

Take the drama down a notch. Nothing changed in regards to advice in this thread.
https://forums.anandtech.com/index.php?posts/39395522
AT just come into parity to what the advice was based on. Eg computerbase.
Good informative article btw.

When it comes to drama, I'm yet to reach your level. As it pertains to GAMING, a few people were wrong in this thread, as usual. What's more important is the 8700k clearly spanking the shiny, new 2700x even though they run the former with the slower RAM and a crappy cooler on a GTX 1080! Ouch!! Now, imagine what'll happen if they allowed the 8700k to stretch it legs; easy 5GHz, 3466 CAS 14, and a GTX 1080Ti.

 

[kawi6rr]

The change in the AT article wouldn't change my purchase decision I would still get the 2700x

 

[Hitman928]

When it comes to drama, I'm yet to reach your level. As it pertains to GAMING, a few people were wrong in this thread, as usual. What's more important is the 8700k clearly spanking the shiny, new 2700x even though they run the former with the slower RAM and a crappy cooler on a GTX 1080! Ouch!! Now, imagine what'll happen if they allowed the 8700k to stretch it legs; easy 5GHz, 3466 CAS 14, and a GTX 1080Ti.

If you use good RAM for Ryzen with proper timings, it would be about 8-10% faster on average in 1080p gaming, basically equal at 1440p. The 2700x would still win in heavily multi-threaded situations and performance per watt.

https://www.computerbase.de/2018-04/amd-ryzen-2000-test/7/#abschnitt_benchmarks_mit_uebertaktung

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_8700K/18.html

For me personally, I'd take the 2700x (actually would probably take the 2700 or 2600x but that's not the current comparison). It looks to me like Ryzen 2nd gen has closed the gaming gap such that practically no one would actually be able to tell the difference between the two when gaming outside of maybe a couple of outliers. For me, having the extra cores/threads would be of more benefit because I would notice that a lot more than the difference in gaming especially since I'm usually at 1440p and am GPU bottlenecked anyway. Even when I'm not, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't notice any difference at all between getting 100 fps with the 2700x or 109 fps with the 8700k OC (on average) at 1080p. If you play at 1440p it'd be more like the difference between 70 fps and 72 fps.

If you game at 1080p and you'd rather have the 8% extra fps and give up the multi-threaded advantage of the 2700x, then great, go for it, but I and others in this thread feel differently. There's no need to make it seem like intel rox and AMD is teh sux over it.

 

[tamz_msc]

When it comes to drama, I'm yet to reach your level. As it pertains to GAMING, a few people were wrong in this thread, as usual. What's more important is the 8700k clearly spanking the shiny, new 2700x even though they run the former with the slower RAM and a crappy cooler on a GTX 1080! Ouch!! Now, imagine what'll happen if they allowed the 8700k to stretch it legs; easy 5GHz, 3466 CAS 14, and a GTX 1080Ti.

At 1440p which the OP uses? Probably 10 percent at max. For VR the extra frames do nothing once you get to 90 Hz.

 

[krumme]

When it comes to drama, I'm yet to reach your level. As it pertains to GAMING, a few people were wrong in this thread, as usual. What's more important is the 8700k clearly spanking the shiny, new 2700x even though they run the former with the slower RAM and a crappy cooler on a GTX 1080! Ouch!! Now, imagine what'll happen if they allowed the 8700k to stretch it legs; easy 5GHz, 3466 CAS 14, and a GTX 1080Ti.

I got a spanking 8700k myself so i take it quite easy. You might want to look at what the op writes. Its 4 to 6 years perspective. Thats a darn long time. I am pretty sure you get throughput limited in 5 years time while nobody in the year 2023 care about how gta v performed in 2018.
Its not about fastest 144Hz gaming for the next 2-3 years. Context.