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...to capture Bin Layden.

This is a major problem I have with Obama.

Obama can't even prove the poor guy is alive.

Al-qaida may invade our country or at least make a sequel to 9/11/01 in retaliation for attempting to kill their leader. Going after them is more likely to make them attack the U.S.

Al-qaida will shield themselves with innocents; the U.S. may kill them just to capture bin laden.

Bin Laden never actually killed anyone, so why in the hell should we have any right to kill him? He influenced people, not forced them. He didn't do it, and it never would've happened had people not let themselves be influenced by his ideas. Although I have to admit I agree with him myself, and I certainly trust him more than I trust modern liberalism.

We'll give him the death penalty, and that will likely cause other nations' to hate us even more.

Even though Obama will pull out of Iraq, it won't save us any money, b/c we'll be pouring just as much, if not more, into sending all of those troops to afghanistan.

We started the fight by taking sides in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Bin laden himself said that if we pull out of the middle east, then he want us attacked. I wouldn't like Saudi Arabia coming in and trying to force us to open our borders to mexico, so it's only fair that we stay out of their business, especially since we're endangering ourselves and wasting money being so protective of the israelis.

Don't people see what an idiot Obama is? Obama seems to think that all of his policies won't come at any cost of money, liberty, lives, and security. He's wrong; Ron Paul's policies don't cause any sacrfice of good to be made, but Obama's do.
 

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No one can help you if you don't see the need to capture OBL and lock him up.
 

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Originally posted by: libertarian420

He influenced people, not forced them. He didn't do it, and it never would've happened had people not let themselves be influenced by his ideas.

Remember, for many of the terrorists, they didn't become influenced to OBL's ideas until they were radicalized in Germany. There would be nobody for OBL to influence if the terrorist factory of Germany shut down.
 
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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: libertarian420

He influenced people, not forced them. He didn't do it, and it never would've happened had people not let themselves be influenced by his ideas.

Remember, for many of the terrorists, they didn't become influenced to OBL's ideas until they were radicalized in Germany. There would be nobody for OBL to influence if the terrorist factory of Germany shut down.

Yep... so let's invade Germany since they are clearly the source of terrorism :roll:
 
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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
No one can help you if you don't see the need to capture OBL and lock him up.

He's long dead mang. Never to be proven unless someone wants to go cave digging and matching what's left of the dna.
 

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There's a good case against Osama, but it's also fair to point out that there's a lot the US has done that's wrong, far more harmful than 9/11, and no justice for.

Where is the justice for what the US did to Iran in 1953, replacing their democracy with a tyrant and secret police force we supplied who ruled them for 25 years - all for cheap oil?

Is that just a 'who cares, pretend it didn't happen' event? Then why shouldn't 9/11 be a forgotten event as if it didn't happen? Where is the justice?

When we encouraged Saddam to invade Iran, and the war had a million casualties with Iranian schools gassed, and our military directly protected Saddam from Iran when he began losing the war, where's the justice for our role in that unjustified war and the harm to Iran? We claim the right to invade Iraq over phony WMD and the 'threat' of cropdusters, but when Iran tries to overthrow him *in the heat of a war directly against them Saddam started*, our position is to say they are not allowed to?
 

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Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: libertarian420

He influenced people, not forced them. He didn't do it, and it never would've happened had people not let themselves be influenced by his ideas.

Remember, for many of the terrorists, they didn't become influenced to OBL's ideas until they were radicalized in Germany. There would be nobody for OBL to influence if the terrorist factory of Germany shut down.

Yep... so let's invade Germany since they are clearly the source of terrorism :roll:

Invasion of Germany should be a last resort. None of this would have been necessary if the German culture was changed enough following their defeat in WW2. Completely eliminating the Nazi ideology from society & culture should have been done.

Ignore it if you want to revision history, but Germany's role is clear.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
Originally posted by: CanOWorms
Originally posted by: libertarian420

He influenced people, not forced them. He didn't do it, and it never would've happened had people not let themselves be influenced by his ideas.

Remember, for many of the terrorists, they didn't become influenced to OBL's ideas until they were radicalized in Germany. There would be nobody for OBL to influence if the terrorist factory of Germany shut down.

Yep... so let's invade Germany since they are clearly the source of terrorism :roll:

Invasion of Germany should be a last resort. None of this would have been necessary if the German culture was changed enough following their defeat in WW2. Completely eliminating the Nazi ideology from society & culture should have been done.

Ignore it if you want to revision history, but Germany's role is clear.

FDR favored turning Germany into an agrarian society and destroying their industrial capability permanently, as I recall, so they could never start wars again.
 

yllus

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Haha. Best sales job for Ron Paul ever.

P.S. If you plot the details of how to commit a bank robbery and have your gang carry it out for you while you sit at home and sip champagne, the police can't charge you with anything! You didn't rob the bank, the gang members were just influenced by your ideas!
 

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Originally posted by: Craig234

FDR favored turning Germany into an agrarian society and destroying their industrial capability permanently, as I recall, so they could never start wars again.

Perhaps if it was done then this War on Terror would never have been started. The third war instigated by Germans yet people will still claim that they are our allies.