Only 31% of Americans want an EV or PHEV. What about you?

[iRONic]

Every Tesla & Chevy Bolt that I looked at on their used sales site seemed overpriced to me. Mainly I was considering versus retail prices but I agree that rental damage/high usage may really affect the value.

 

[Zorba]

More associations are putting in shared chargers now. That's what we have in our condo building. Chargepoints that are linked with my SDG&E account for billing.

If the option became available I'd pay for Level 1 charging in my parking stall because that's all I really need.

So your usage at the community charger goes on your electric bill? That is amazing. How do they keep people from camping on them?

 

[Zorba]

I'm thinking about a Mazda CX-70 PHEV. It's not out yet, but technically it's a two row CX-90. I want to drive one of course. I wish the EV portion got better than 26 miles on battery only, 40 would be nice. I drive about 45 miles daily to and from work and to the Y at lunch etc.

I had a CX-50 as a rental car a while back, and it was surprisingly a nice vehicle.

Question about PHEV added if anyone knows: if the battery is depleted as you are driving, does that mean running on the ICE only the acceleration and power drops to only what that engine puts out? That seems to be the case, and mpassing on the freeway and accelerating from a stop would really suffer.

It'd work just like a hybrid. If your battery is completely dead, it'll be recharged with the engine. Otherwise it'll be recharged with Regen braking.

 

[K1052]

So your usage at the community charger goes on your electric bill? That is amazing. How do they keep people from camping on them?

Yep. People are pretty good about moving after they've charged when something is there for a couple days the building manager pokes them. There are three stations with two heads each and its rare to find them full even though there are probably at least a dozen EVs and some PHEVs in the garage. Some people, like my husband for example, also predominately charge at their office.

 

[bbhaag]

Every Tesla & Chevy Bolt that I looked at on their used sales site seemed overpriced to me. Mainly I was considering versus retail prices but I agree that rental damage/high usage may really affect the value.

Not sure what your budget is or exactly what type of EVs you have been looking at but don't over look a used Mach-E Premium. IMO right now they are one of if not the best deal in the market right now for used EVs.

Here's an example after just a quick search on cars.com. You can pick up a used '22 with less than 10K miles for 35K plus shipping costs, taxes, registration, ect. I am certain that there is some wiggle room on that price as well.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/8bff4332-bc98-47a1-85ea-4c59658c90b1/

Here is a used 2023 Premium with only 3800 miles for around 34K from Autotrader and again there might be some wiggle room on that price.

I know is says page unavailable but the link still works.

Autotrader - page unavailable

 

[Fenixgoon]

2024 Fiat500e looks like a killer city car. Unclear what kind of tax incentives are available for it though

Edit: yes I know it's Stellantis and their quality is not good overall. Hopefully the 500e bucks that trend.

 

[K1052]

2024 Fiat500e looks like a killer city car. Unclear what kind of tax incentives are available for it though

Edit: yes I know it's Stellantis and their quality is not good overall. Hopefully the 500e bucks that trend.

I wish there were more small EV options in the US like Europe. As it is I'm eyeing moving from a 2019 i3s to a 2021 i3s because there are no comparable alternatives.

 

[misuspita]

Renaut Zoe is selling in USA?

 

[K1052]

Renaut Zoe is selling in USA?

not available in the US

 

[manly]

2024 Fiat500e looks like a killer city car. Unclear what kind of tax incentives are available for it though

Edit: yes I know it's Stellantis and their quality is not good overall. Hopefully the 500e bucks that trend.

Americans don't buy city cars, and Fiat has extremely poor brand value even for Stellantis.

As an aside, VW's Super Bowl ad made it seem like there will be a Beetle EV. But as rich a history as the Beetle has, Americans don't buy enough compact cars to justify it here.

Also in BEV news, Chevy has made it official:

Chevrolet announces model year 2024 Equinox EV pricing

We’ve known the 1LT will start at $34,995, but a 2LT will cost at least $43,295.

arstechnica.com

 

[Fenixgoon]

Americans don't buy city cars, and Fiat has extremely poor brand value even for Stellantis.

As an aside, VW's Super Bowl ad made it seem like there will be a Beetle EV. But as rich a history as the Beetle has, Americans don't buy enough compact cars to justify it here.

Also in BEV news, Chevy has made it official:

Chevrolet announces model year 2024 Equinox EV pricing

We’ve known the 1LT will start at $34,995, but a 2LT will cost at least $43,295.

arstechnica.com

Yeah I saw the equinox announcement. I bet they will make approximately 0 1LT trim models though. Majority of production will be higher scale trims. Hell, the release trim is the 2RS variant ($45k)

 

[manly]

2024 Fiat500e looks like a killer city car. Unclear what kind of tax incentives are available for it though

Edit: yes I know it's Stellantis and their quality is not good overall. Hopefully the 500e bucks that trend.

LOL Fiat is bragging that they'll make a small profit on each 500e sold, starting at $32,500. The car is imported from Italy, so no federal tax credit applies for purchases.
And I had no idea that a decade ago, you could lease the original 500e for $50 a month!

Fiat’s $49-A-Month 500e Lease Deals Are Never Coming Back

Fiat's stunning lease deals from the 2010's on the 500e are never, ever coming back, according to Fiat's North American leader, Aamir Ahmed.

insideevs.com

 

[jpiniero]

Yep. People are pretty good about moving after they've charged when something is there for a couple days the building manager pokes them. There are three stations with two heads each and its rare to find them full even though there are probably at least a dozen EVs and some PHEVs in the garage. Some people, like my husband for example, also predominately charge at their office.

I don't think that would work here. Despite not having assigned parking people have a tendency to park in the same spot all the time. How often would people want to fill up their car, esp during the cold...

 

[manly]

The U.S. is far behind Norway and even China in EV adoption rate, but hopefully we'll eventually get there:

Reuters - US to soften tailpipe rules, slow EV transition through 2030

 

[BurnItDwn]

I never really wanted an EV since they are all so heavy, expensive, and generally would require me doing a bunch of home rewiring upgrades to charge at home (no garage, house on 100 amp, all circuits in use, only a 15 amp circuit connected to porch light which we *could* tap into for slow charging).

Robert "AgingWheels" might have changed my mind.

Aptera might be a practical option for somebody like me though ...

40-50 mile round trip commute up to 3 days per week, Don't drive or drive a lot less the other 4 days of the week.
Keep one of our bigger vehicles around for comfortable highway cruiser/road trips.

Plug it in with a regular extension cable to charge at home when needed, solar panels on most evs are gimmicks, but on something like this with how little I drive sometimes, it would actually generate surplus electricity during summer months...

If it ever comes out, I might be interested. Otherwise, I will likely go with a plug in hybrid for the next vehicle.

 

[AdamK47]

I'm interested in PHEV.

SF90 and Revuelto. Can't afford either of them.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I never really wanted an EV since they are all so heavy, expensive, and generally would require me doing a bunch of home rewiring upgrades to charge at home (no garage, house on 100 amp, all circuits in use, only a 15 amp circuit connected to porch light which we *could* tap into for slow charging).

Robert "AgingWheels" might have changed my mind.

Aptera might be a practical option for somebody like me though ...

40-50 mile round trip commute up to 3 days per week, Don't drive or drive a lot less the other 4 days of the week.
Keep one of our bigger vehicles around for comfortable highway cruiser/road trips.

Plug it in with a regular extension cable to charge at home when needed, solar panels on most evs are gimmicks, but on something like this with how little I drive sometimes, it would actually generate surplus electricity during summer months...

If it ever comes out, I might be interested. Otherwise, I will likely go with a plug in hybrid for the next vehicle.

i'm definitely curious if they can make decent production numbers. outside of that, someone mentioned the Volvo EX30 to me. yeah it's a small SUV, but it is on the small side and reasonably priced ($35k). hopefully volvo dealers don't upcharge like a mofo though. that doesn't strike me as particularly swedish (but volvo cars is now owned by Geely of course)

 

[_Rick_]

I'm still hoping I won't need to buy another car, and that robotaxis will reduce car fleet-size by at least 30%, if not 60-70%.
It looks like that's another decade out though, and I'm skeptical my current car will make it.

As I expect emissions being taxed more severely in the next 5 years, I'm expecting to buy a PHEV or short-range BEV.
I suspect it will be the latter, with rental ICE or long-range EV for any longer trips.

 

[sdifox]

i'm definitely curious if they can make decent production numbers. outside of that, someone mentioned the Volvo EX30 to me. yeah it's a small SUV, but it is on the small side and reasonably priced ($35k). hopefully volvo dealers don't upcharge like a mofo though. that doesn't strike me as particularly swedish (but volvo cars is now owned by Geely of course)

EX30 is built in China, for what it's worth.

 

[Indus]

EX30 is built in China, for what it's worth.

I was watching a video recently..

But cars have a honeymoon period and then you find out they're made of the finest Chinese parts!

That usually isn't a good thing for what it's worth!

 

[sdifox]

Uhoh, Ford is stopping Lightening shipment and production over battery concerns

Ford halts production and shipments of electric F-150 Lightning over battery concerns | TechCrunch

This pause comes as Ford is ramping up production of the Lightning, even as the F-150 Lightning is leading the market in the growing EV pickup war.

techcrunch.com

 

[Brainonska511]

Ohoh, Ford is stopping Lightening shipment and production over battery concerns

Ford halts production and shipments of electric F-150 Lightning over battery concerns | TechCrunch

This pause comes as Ford is ramping up production of the Lightning, even as the F-150 Lightning is leading the market in the growing EV pickup war.

techcrunch.com

Such a waste of batteries. These humongous ego tractors need so much more material than batteries for an equi-range, normal-sized car.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Saw a lightning here the other day, was surprised to see one here. Out of all the EV trucks I feel that is the closest one to a real truck, other than the small box... but even the gas ones are like that now. Being an early adopter, especially with an EV, is a huge risk though, as we can see with the issues they're having.

 

[marvdmartian]

I was watching a video recently..

But cars have a honeymoon period and then you find out they're made of the finest Chinese parts!

That usually isn't a good thing for what it's worth!

Not to mention, the Chinese are (so far as I can tell) the ONLY auto manufacturers to earn a ZERO safety rating, from Australia's version of the US's NHTSA. Meaning, you are pretty much guaranteed grievous injury, in the event of being in an accident.

Man, who wouldn't want that??

WATCH: Two Chinese Cars Earn A ZERO Safety Rating In Australian Crash Testing - AutoSpies Auto News

WATCH: Two Chinese Cars Earn A ZERO Safety Rating In Australian Crash Testing

www.autospies.com

 

[Zorba]

Not to mention, the Chinese are (so far as I can tell) the ONLY auto manufacturers to earn a ZERO safety rating, from Australia's version of the US's NHTSA. Meaning, you are pretty much guaranteed grievous injury, in the event of being in an accident.

Man, who wouldn't want that??

WATCH: Two Chinese Cars Earn A ZERO Safety Rating In Australian Crash Testing - AutoSpies Auto News

WATCH: Two Chinese Cars Earn A ZERO Safety Rating In Australian Crash Testing

www.autospies.com

Hey, it's emergency braking works better than Telsa's .