Only 12% of Americans realize Obama cut their taxes

[Throckmorton]

95% got tax cuts, but it looks like the vast majority of Americans don't let reality get in the way of FUD and ignorance spread by the right-wing/teabaggers/loonies. 24% actually believe their taxes were raised. That's a big chunk of the population that relies on propaganda instead of math.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/12/only-12-of-americans-thin_n_460559.html


So hopefully now everyone understands why it means nothing when we see poll numbers saying most Americans want to scrap health reform, most Americans oppose stimulus, most Americans oppose this and that. All these statistics prove is that persistent shouting, hatred, nuttery, and fearmongering work really well.

 

[Fear No Evil]

You guys really need to get your talking points straight. Are tax cuts bad or good? Seems most of you lefties thought Bush's tax cuts were bad.. but Obama's are good? With 3 times the deficit as Bush?

Of course, nevermind the 10%+ unemployment, no raises, cost of everything going up. Yeah, those tax cuts are helping!

 

[Throckmorton]

Tax cuts when times are good is stupid. All it does is add to the deficit. Tax cuts during a recession, as 38% of a stimulus package, are good.

I have no idea why you're making this bizarre argument that the tax cuts, which the vast majority don't believe exist, aren't working because of 10% unemployment etc. Do you not understand that you're using a really foolish logical fallacy?

 

[Slew Foot]

I didnt get a tax cut, fuck you Obama.

 

[nageov3t]

hard to realize or even care about when, despite a pay raise from my company, my take-home per month went down because of health insurance increases.

 

[MovingTarget]

Who needs facts when you've got spin? It doesn't matter if Obama cut taxes for most Americans...the ones that get the political benefit are the ones who have the best 'marketing' in the media.

 

[Hacp]

Um he added to our deficit. We now owe more per person than the average american makes per year.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Tax cuts when times are good is stupid. All it does is add to the deficit. Tax cuts during a recession, as 38% of a stimulus package, are good.

I have no idea why you're making this bizarre argument that the tax cuts, which the vast majority don't believe exist, aren't working because of 10% unemployment etc. Do you not understand that you're using a really foolish logical fallacy?

You are assuming we need to run a deficit.. I know Obama is making this hard to believe, but we can cut spending... especially during 'good times' as you describe them. It doesn't surprise me you don't seem to understand that.

 

[cubby1223]

What's the point of this thread?

Federal income tax was lowered.

Just about every other tax in existence was raised or is considered being raised. State income tax up, property taxes up, state sales taxes up, alcohol taxes up, cigarette taxes up... Chicago created a wonderful new 12% entertainment tax just to show us how much the city loves us!

But then again, I'm just a dumb conservative moron who doesn't understand that Obama knows best.

And I suppose we're just waiting in limbo for the new wave of taxes to pay for the pending health care and cap & trade legislation. Oh, Huffington Post, why oh why am I not capable of seeing the amazement that is your writing staff...

 

[Jaskalas]

24% actually believe their taxes were raised.

Is that how many smoke? Cause you are sure as hell are nickel and diming them.

 

[cubby1223]

Is that how many smoke? Cause you are sure as hell are nickel and diming them.

if only the government were just "nickel and diming" smokers...

we need a new phrase "quarter and half-dollaring"

 

[sMiLeYz]

What's the point of this thread?

Federal income tax was lowered.

Just about every other tax in existence was raised or is considered being raised. State income tax up, property taxes up, state sales taxes up, alcohol taxes up, cigarette taxes up... Chicago created a wonderful new 12% entertainment tax just to show us how much the city loves us!

Whats Obama got to do with your state taxes?

 

[dmcowen674]

95% got tax cuts, but it looks like the vast majority of Americans don't let reality get in the way of FUD and ignorance spread by the right-wing/teabaggers/loonies. 24% actually believe their taxes were raised. That's a big chunk of the population that relies on propaganda instead of math.

My paycheck has gone down.

What part of math is required to see the number is smaller?

 

[ebaycj]

You guys really need to get your talking points straight. Are tax cuts bad or good? Seems most of you lefties thought Bush's tax cuts were bad.. but Obama's are good? With 3 times the deficit as Bush?

Of course, nevermind the 10%+ unemployment, no raises, cost of everything going up. Yeah, those tax cuts are helping!

I thought tax cuts were the solution to everything.

 

[ebaycj]

What's the point of this thread?

Federal income tax was lowered.

Just about every other tax in existence was raised or is considered being raised. State income tax up, property taxes up, state sales taxes up, alcohol taxes up, cigarette taxes up... Chicago created a wonderful new 12% entertainment tax just to show us how much the city loves us!

But then again, I'm just a dumb conservative moron who doesn't understand that Obama knows best.

And I suppose we're just waiting in limbo for the new wave of taxes to pay for the pending health care and cap & trade legislation. Oh, Huffington Post, why oh why am I not capable of seeing the amazement that is your writing staff...

What is Obama supposed to do about your state sales tax / state income tax / property tax ? Seriously.

 

[Double Trouble]

What a terrible article... but that's not surprising considering it's on HuffPo.

Only 12 percent of the public say that the Obama administration has lowered their taxes since coming to office, despite the fact that the White House's stimulus package cut taxes for 95 percent of Americans

Flat out wrong. The stimulus may have slightly reduced fed taxes for some, but overall taxes have gone up, especially when you start including fees that are really just taxes.

In addition, the CBS/NYT poll found that 24 percent of respondents said that their taxes had actually increased under the Obama administration -- which is, again, not true.

Yes, it is true. Idiots at huffpo, as usual. Obama hasn't raised taxes directly, and much of the tax increases are local/state taxes and fees, but yes, taxes have gone up under this administration. That's not to say local/state taxes getting raised are Obama's fault, just pointing out that the 24% saying their taxes were raised are correct.

"I'd say [your pollsters] called the wrong people," Gibbs told CBS's Mark Knoller.

/facepalm

 

[cubby1223]

What is Obama supposed to do about your state sales tax / state income tax / property tax ? Seriously.

Government is government and taxes are taxes.

And it goes to the linked article which wants to call people stupid for not thinking their taxes were lowered, when _overall_ most people are paying a higher percentage now than a year ago, two years ago.

Say the federal government gives you a quarter while the state government taxes away a dollar, does that make one stupid for not acknowledging the kind lovingness of Obama's quarter?

 

[drebo]

Obama may have temporarily lowered the federal income tax withholding, but he certainly didn't lower taxes. I owe quite a bit more this year than I did last year and my total takehome is smaller when compared to last year.

So, yes, I did have about $100/mo more in take home last year, I now have about $50 less in take home than the year before and my total taxes are up.

Less money in my pocket means less money I spend at businesses. The federal government is funding worthless programs to the detriment of local and state economies.

 

[ayabe]

You guys really need to get your talking points straight. Are tax cuts bad or good? Seems most of you lefties thought Bush's tax cuts were bad.. but Obama's are good? With 3 times the deficit as Bush?

Of course, nevermind the 10%+ unemployment, no raises, cost of everything going up. Yeah, those tax cuts are helping!

Inflation is still nearly zero. If Obama hadn't cut your taxes you wouldn't be happy with that either, so just admit you're just being a drama queen.

Check in with reality once in a while, just to keep abreast of current events, I promise you'll feel more empowered as a citizen.

 

[cubeless]

My paycheck has gone down.

What part of math is required to see the number is smaller?

do a better job cutting your mom's grass and maybe she won't stiff you any more...

and welcome to the new paradigm... grown-ups getting a new job that pays more than their last is going the way of the dinosaur...

the math is (1itworker - job) = .5*oldsalary + newjob

 

[Genx87]

I really noticed the 18 dollars a month more I got from Obama.

 

[spidey07]

I really noticed the 18 dollars a month more I got from Obama.

Yes. But taxes weren't actually lowered, just withholding. So they took less of your money, but your tax obligation didn't change. Then when people saw their checks getting smaller this year because withholding went back to normal they equate it with Obama = higher taxes.

And Obama has consistently said he will raise taxes by letting the bush tax cuts to expire. Also threatening to eliminate deductions like mortgage tax and charitable contributions.

And don't get me started on his removing the social security cap on HCEs.

 

[rudder]

Whats Obama got to do with your state taxes?

What is Obama supposed to do about your state sales tax / state income tax / property tax ? Seriously.

Really?

Most state budgets are drawn up with anticipation of X number of dollars from the federal government. Should these funds be cut.. states will need to do cuts of their own or raise taxes.

Think highways for instance. The interstate system is managed by the DOT. Each state has its own DOT to manage the intersates that run through. All states benefit from federal funds to maintain the interstate system because is helps interstate commerce. These funds have been getting cut. Here in Tennessee rather than raise taxes they have canceled many new projects and used what funds they get to simply maintain the current infrastructure. And these programs extend beyond roads (think No Child Left Behind) but you should get the idea how obama or any administration affects the taxes you pay to the state you live in.

 

[OutHouse]

What's the point of this thread?

Federal income tax was lowered.

Just about every other tax in existence was raised or is considered being raised. State income tax up, property taxes up, state sales taxes up, alcohol taxes up, cigarette taxes up... Chicago created a wonderful new 12% entertainment tax just to show us how much the city loves us!

But then again, I'm just a dumb conservative moron who doesn't understand that Obama knows best.

And I suppose we're just waiting in limbo for the new wave of taxes to pay for the pending health care and cap & trade legislation. Oh, Huffington Post, why oh why am I not capable of seeing the amazement that is your writing staff...

yip. It really pisses me off that people sput thist like "LOOKIE OBAMA LOWERED TAXES!!!" he isnt king and can not lower taxes at the state, county, city levels!!!!! I just sent in my car reg renewal. i drive a 2004 camry and last year my tags were 75.00 the check i just sent in was for a cool 139.00. WTF! my 2000 toyota sienna went from $24.00 to 72.00. WTF!

 

[Throckmorton]

You are assuming we need to run a deficit.. I know Obama is making this hard to believe, but we can cut spending... especially during 'good times' as you describe them. It doesn't surprise me you don't seem to understand that.

Exactly, you cut spending and raise taxes in good times so that you're running a surplus which can repay the debt. That's what Clinton did. At the end of his term we had a surplus. Then George W. Bush obliterated that surplus with tax cuts and war.

Now you expect Obama to create a Depression by ending all the Bush era spending, plus cutting spending even more to make up for the revenue decrease?

You either don't understand economics one bit or you're trolling.