One year ago on P&N: where were you?

[Genesys]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Gaard
This is too funny! A gold star to whoever guesses the author of this quote i found while searching my posts from a year ago...

Why am I not suprised this drivel came from her She is just another one of those people who never accept that they are wrong(or even could possibly be wrong).

I can guess, based on your amusement. I wouldn't want to divert the thread by arguing with him, however.

Shall we review this issue once again? Oh...that's right...you people obviosly have selective reading skills...thanks for playing. CkG

Speaking of drivel

ditto.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Gaard
This is too funny! A gold star to whoever guesses the author of this quote i found while searching my posts from a year ago...

Why am I not suprised this drivel came from her She is just another one of those people who never accept that they are wrong(or even could possibly be wrong).

I can guess, based on your amusement. I wouldn't want to divert the thread by arguing with him, however.

Shall we review this issue once again? Oh...that's right...you people obviosly have selective reading skills...thanks for playing. CkG

Speaking of drivel

ditto.

Now boys, "civil discussion is more interesting and productive than trolls and flames." How about it, Genesys. Were you here a year ago? Do you have any noteworthy posts from that period you'd like to share with us?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

You know people are worried about DEAN he is the only DEM who has the slightest chance. The rest of the candidates are a joke. Perot would do better.

Senator don't win presidentail elections.

Still think that Zebo? (6/22/2003)

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Still think that Zebo? (6/22/2003)

CkG

With all due respect Cad, go crap in another thread or start your own. This thread is for people to offer up their own old posts, NOT for you to go fishing. If you want to participate, why don't you find one of your posts from that period and present it? What have you learned in the last year? How do your views today compare to your views then?

 

[sMiLeYz]

Back then I was arguing about how we basically abandoned the effort in Afghanistan, without getting OBL and diverted our intention to Iraq. It was wierd how quickly people seemed to forget about OBL, and suddenly it was all about Saddam.

I'm not surprised, us americans have a short attention span.

 

[Witling]

The oldest message I can retrieve is September 18, 2003. I lost it with Syzgy over his belief that we'd be setting up a democracy in Iraq. It's hard to read because Sy wasn't always using full sentences. Opinion then: Iraq will be an American failure. Opinion now, unchanged. Message follows.

Syzygy, you better start setting up an alternative name for Anandtech because if people remember just how wrong you are, it's going to be hard for you to live around here. If you think that "the future establishment of legitimate democratic institutions. additionally, you have the introduction of the kind of transparent and accountable government that is a true rarity in that part of the world" is in the cards, then you must be incredibly naive. I could teach my dog to type before we could impose a transparent, open democratic government in Iraq.

I'll tell you what will happen. We'll hang around there for a while, having soldiers killed every day. We'll put more money in, thus throwing good money after bad. The $60 billion last year and the $87 billion this year are only the beginning. Eventually political pressure in the U.S. will mount and we'll set up another pest hole government, leave, and declare victory. Eventually (and I mean five or ten years) our pest hole government will be overthrown and replaced with a home grown pest hole government.

You were, by implication, promised a short, successful war here with the people throwing flowers at us. How did that come out? And Syzygy, here's a thought problem for extra credit. How well has bashing people worked for Israel? I'm sorry for putting this on such an ad hominim basis, but it's completely ridiculous to think that we can or will install a democratice government.

Heck, maybe I shouldn't have candy coated this.

 

[alchemize]

I don't think I've changed my position one lick, other than being majorly irritated that our intelligence is so crappy, and that nothing is being done about it.

I'm hopeful, however, that by next year (next month) I'll have gotten a life (new job) and won't have to discuss this again

 

[Spamela]

i'm not a big P&N poster, but
here's what i wrote: 03/26/2003 3:09 PM

some wars are justified and necessary, this one was premature.

now i'd say: this one clearly was neither justified nor necessary.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Still think that Zebo? (6/22/2003)

CkG

With all due respect Cad, go crap in another thread or start your own. This thread is for people to offer up their own old posts, NOT for you to go fishing. If you want to participate, why don't you find one of your posts from that period and present it? What have you learned in the last year? How do your views today compare to your views then?

Aww... Why don't you address your little buddy Gaard's post then? Oh...that's right...it's only OK for you and your band of apologists to do so, gotcha.

CkG

 

[Gaard]

I was right with this one ...(1/15/03)

etech - <<So we either take him out with UN approval or we let him sit there and let the whole region fester around him.>>

You forgot a third possibility. We take him out without UN approval. I know we've gone over this before, but when the president says it's a possibility, it deserves mentioning.

Press briefing from 12/18/02
Q We still don't know this key question, whether the U.S. and Britain are willing to go it alone in violation of what the U.N. --

MR. FLEISCHER: The President has said repeatedly on that question that the United States will assemble a coalition of the willing.

Q And that still stands?

MR. FLEISCHER: Absolutely.

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I was wrong on this one (same thread)

The fact that support would be overwhelming when/if evidence is found is something I've been saying all along. It's also, IMO, not very likely that the UN wouldn't support an attack when/if evidence is found. That being said, the US should reveal it's evidence (that it has had for weeks now) to the UN. Unfortunately, our president feels that, even though Iraq's possession of WMD justifies a war...and by extension, the deaths of many many US soldiers and Iraqi civilians, it isn't important enough to risk giving up our methods of intelligence.

We did end up giving the UN our intel (at least some of it), but it turned out to be bad intel. And the UN either didn't believe it (are they smarter than us?) or they didn't feel that what we had was enough to justify the war (are they smarter than us?).

 

[LunarRay]

I, No Doubt, was debating the Invasion issue from the legal perspective. That is: Did Resolution 1441 give the US authority to invade... I opined it did not.. and at the time Blair, Straw, The President and his folks said it did...

I, No Doubt, was debating the Invasion issue from the legal perspective. That is: Did the Pro invasion argument regarding Article 51 of the UN Charter hold water. I opined it did IF and only IF Iraq had the means and opportunity to meet the criteria necessary for the US to invoke that Article. And, we have seen so far that Iraq had neither the means nor the opportunity.

So, we sit here today and it all seems so 'back burner' and or forgotten. In November I'll have an opportunity to 'speak' my mind in a more meaningful way.. and I shall!