If you watch the animatrix detailing how things all 'began' you will see that nuclear bombs were used as a first strike against the robots. Robots at that time did not expect an attack, wouldnt you think the nuclear bomb emp affect would disable most of the robots? It really annoys me since they use emp devices often in the movie to disable robots yet ignore this obvious item, am i rite or wrong hurr
one thing that always bothered me about the matrix...
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Anubis
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Nope. Matrix:
Neo: EMP?
Trinity: Electromagnetic Pulse, its the only defense we have against them.
K1052
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tremendously impractical and moreso as electronics advance and become more delicate, evidenced by the machines still being vulnerable to EMP weapons in the movies
Nuclear testing in the early 60s (see Starfish Prime test) gave us a decent idea on how to use nuclear weaponry at high altitude to create devastating EMP effects that could cripple electronic infrastructure
Within the third movie, it's revealed that the 'free' human society is 'allowed' to live by the machines - I think they refer to it as "another level of control". Following that logic, the squids are intentionally vulnerable to Zion's weaponry, otherwise the humans would realize they were living at the machines' whim.
Now, when the machines were seizing control over the planet, it isn't unreasonable to assume they would utilize shielding - at that point they were fighting for their very existence.
Ground and airburst nukes EMP only reaches a small distance, only a few times farther than the actual explosive damage radius. The only way to use a nuke for broad range EMP is to explode it very high in the atmosphere, almost out in space.
Anyway, what's to say the nuke strike didn't kill 99% of the robots, as long as enough remained running to carry on the war?
because they showed dozens of nukes going off and robots just walking right through the blasts pretty much.
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Those movies are pretty retarded, story wise. There are so many retarded things going on in it it would take me all day to list them. They were fun movies, visually exciting...but they dragged on and took themselves way to seriously, specifically the third one. This EMP thing is just a drop in the bucket.
Why didn't the machines use cows for fuel? Or lets say cows were extinct...why didn't they use retards instead? Retards are easier to manage. And lets not even get into how the human body probably isn't even a very efficient mechanism to extract energy to begin with. And why don't the machines put solar collectors above the clouds? The sky was still there in the third movie. Or use geo thermal energy, like the humans in zion?
Why are there no ugly people in zion? Where did the wet naked dancing tradition come from?
The list goes on and on...the story in those movies is just poorly drawn backdrop for what the movies are really about: Cool people in sunglasses and black coats doing impossible jumps and kungfu moves.
Why didn't the machines use cows for fuel? Or lets say cows were extinct...why didn't they use retards instead? Retards are easier to manage. And lets not even get into how the human body probably isn't even a very efficient mechanism to extract energy to begin with. And why don't the machines put solar collectors above the clouds? The sky was still there in the third movie. Or use geo thermal energy, like the humans in zion?
Why are there no ugly people in zion? Where did the wet naked dancing tradition come from?
The list goes on and on...the story in those movies is just poorly drawn backdrop for what the movies are really about: Cool people in sunglasses and black coats doing impossible jumps and kungfu moves.
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Originally posted by: BigToque
lol
Why not? Just because we don't know how it works doesn't mean it's impossible. Remember, this is 600 years in the future (there are 6 versions of the Matrix).
But yes, there are serious flaws. (ie: why humans?) Also, Morpheous says in the first matrix that they used humans "combined with a form of fusion". Why not just use fusion for everything? Would be much more efficient.
Lol End thread right there.
I liked the story....thought it was interesting. The first one was awesome but the second two seriously sucked.
PingSpike
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I thought the story was semi-dumb...but at least fairly tight in the first movie. And of course its action sequences were extremely cool.
I don't even really remember what the story was in the second...I remember it was really fucking convoluted, and that old guy in the building blabbed about why this and that and the other thing that didn't make any sense were actually all part of an elaborate plan. However, the action sequence with neo fighting the goons and the car chase/twins/agent fight were so totally awesome that it was worth sitting through all that other shit. I rewatch that part every time the movie comes on HBO.
The third movie...blew ass. Shitty story takes center stage. I only remember one interesting fight in the matrix where morph and company storm the merrivin-g-an's (no idea) house and it was pretty short. an extremely (holy fuck, cut this down! What the hell) techno dance scene and...then there was a lot of bad actors whining about self sacrifice during an equally drawn out and retarded robotech seque. This was all followed up by a live action version of dragon ball Z fight scene and a par-for-the-course stupid ending. They barely spent any time in the matrix in that movie, thats why it really sucked though.
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First of all.. IT'S A MOVIE! The Matrix Trilogy may have taken itself too seriously but that doesn't mean you have to take it seriously too, that should be fairly obvious with any Sci-Fi movie.
Secondly, the questions you ask can all be answered within the context of the movie as well (except the 'no ugly people in zion' monster head-scratcher :roll
I mean give me a break, Cows? Retards? Did you even listen to the explanations in the movie? See, this is why nobody likes the Matrix now, people generalize and nit-pick these stupid little things so the religious symbolism and sophisticated plot go ZOOMING right over their head. So many morons are like "WTF THIS MOVIE SUX" because of the stupid things like the cave-rave or the kissing scene with Neo and Persephone and pretty much blow off taking the movie seriously at that point, you people are weak and lack critical thinking to put it lightly, and your parent's would have been well advised to put you on Ritalin as a child.As for putting solar panels about the clouds... what are you smoking?!? Just because the machines in this movie are supposed to be so advanced and in control doesn't mean they can circumvent physics and reality of the real world, do you know how fucking high you would have to build something to get over those clouds to make that solution feasible?!? Did you see how high Neo and Trinity were in the ship?? Didn't think so, since no one watched Matrix Revolutions. :roll: Yeah OK, using humans for energy isn't much less of a stretch but that's how the writers decided to go and I'm fine with how they explained and portrayed it. Stick to romantic comedies if all you can see are people in black glasses doing kung-fu.
Again, EVERY movie has questions that can't be answered because none of it ever really happens. It's idiotic debates about 'errr why didn't the machines do this, or that, and why is there a naked dancing ritual anyway' that detract from the overall value. "The sky is still there in the third movie" ooooh you broke the case wide open there, the Wach's must feel like fools for forgetting there was still a sky in the 3rd one.. *sigh* The list goes on and on alright, more people just love taking shots at an interesting story because it was all about special effects and weird little sub-plots. It's not like this was adapted from a novel where everything is laid out for you.
On a side note, I wish more people would see The Animatrix so they can get a better idea of what actually goes on in the Matrix and how it came to be that robots took over.
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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
First of all.. IT'S A MOVIE! The Matrix Trilogy may have taken itself too seriously but that doesn't mean you have to take it seriously too, that should be fairly obvious with any Sci-Fi movie.
Secondly, the questions you ask can all be answered within the context of the movie as well (except the 'no ugly people in zion' monster head-scratcher :roll
As for putting solar panels about the clouds... what are you smoking?!? Just because the machines in this movie are supposed to be so advanced and in control doesn't mean they can circumvent physics and reality of the real world, do you know how fucking high you would have to build something to get over those clouds to make that solution feasible?!? Did you see how high Neo and Trinity were in the ship?? Didn't think so, since no one watched Matrix Revolutions. :roll: Yeah OK, using humans for energy isn't much less of a stretch but that's how the writers decided to go and I'm fine with how they explained and portrayed it. Stick to romantic comedies if all you can see are people in black glasses doing kung-fu.
Again, EVERY movie has questions that can't be answered because none of it ever really happens. It's idiotic debates about 'errr why didn't the machines do this, or that, and why is there a naked dancing ritual anyway' that detract from the overall value. "The sky is still there in the third movie" ooooh you broke the case wide open there, the Wach's must feel like fools for forgetting there was still a sky in the 3rd one.. *sigh* The list goes on and on alright, more people just love taking shots at an interesting story because it was all about special effects and weird little sub-plots. It's not like this was adapted from a novel where everything is laid out for you.
On a side note, I wish more people would see The Animatrix so they can get a better idea of what actually goes on in the Matrix and how it came to be that robots took over.
I agree, but not everyone is into literary/movie analysis. Everyone says it sucks the same way they can't appreciate literature/deep movies. Remember that this is a tech forum, and people with tech backgrounds generally (for the illiterates) have little or no background/interest in literature/movie analysis.
It's really quite fascinating when you get into it IMO. It's more psychology than anything else.
ie: Why did the directors put in that dancing scene? It adds little if anything to the plot, and any fool can see that, so why did they put it in? There has to be an answer, and short of asking the crew themselves, analysis of the movie is the only way to understand/appreciate it.
Most people just get hung up on the plot and when that slows down or doesn't entirely make sense, they stop caring.
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