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One thing I've always wondered about The Matrix

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ManBearPig

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Watch this scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12u1nA7bXzc&hd=1

At the end of the fight (around 4:15), right before Neo stops short of Morpheus' face, does he actually hit him in the chest?

It's my favorite fight scene, it gets me fuckin pumped lol, but I can never figure out if thats a hit or not. i think its supposed to be, and we're just supposed to assume its really fast so we dont see it connect or some shit, but i dunno.
 
I believe he does and he actually pushes Morpheus back into contact with the beam that is seen when Neo throws his last punch. That beam is not there when Neo "contacts" his chest.
 
i'd say yes. they were in the middle of the arena and then morpheus suddenly wound up with his back to a pillar after the sternum strike.
 
TheVrolok said:
I believe he does and he actually pushes Morpheus back into contact with the beam that is seen when Neo throws his last punch. That beam is not there when Neo "contacts" his chest.
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alright, thats what i was thinking too. they just dont show the actual contact with his chest, which is odd.
 
kazaam said:
alright, thats what i was thinking too. they just dont show the actual contact with his chest, which is odd.
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I think they actually do, but I don't have the time right now to get my BRD out and go frame by frame. I think they just do it so quickly to display the speed at which Neo strikes and recoils while he's moving "like an agent." The same way his arms blur a bit earlier.
 
From the movie script
Wham. A single blow catches Morpheus on the side of the
head, knocking off his glasses.
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I think answers the question.

They may edited out him actually making contact for scene of him stopping short.
 
kazaam said:
alright, thats what i was thinking too. they just dont show the actual contact with his chest, which is odd.
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They show the contact (although I'd call it more of a "force push" contact") just not the impact of Morpheus against the pillar. It wasn't Neo's intention to punch him across the room. Just get him into position to show that he one.
 
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TheVrolok said:
I think they actually do, but I don't have the time right now to get my BRD out and go frame by frame. I think they just do it so quickly to display the speed at which Neo strikes and recoils while he's moving "like an agent." The same way his arms blur a bit earlier.
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I think this is right. I don't have access to mine either but remember rewinding a trillion times and eventually being satisfied with this same conclusion lol.

Btw, HD YouTube fucking sucks! I should stop watching it this way so it doesn't keep replacing my previous thoughts from when I watched it the right way heh.
 
Looks to me like Morpheus dodged the swing and ended up pinned against the pillar when he did so. It may have been Neo's intention.

Regardless, one thing bothers me a lot more.

The laws of thermodynamics.

Even if energy wasn't lost by liquefying human remains and using them as nutrients for other humans, why would the machines choose to cultivate humans? Of all the creatures that existed on the planet earth, humans produced power better than anything else? You'd think the machines would have exterminated the humans and cultivated some other species with a higher metabolism / heat output (like the shrew). They should have explained it by saying that they needed the unused potential of the human brain to handle their own consciousness and generate the Matrix.

Still, I can't get over the blatant violation of the laws of thermodynamics. Heat given off is lost energy (even if you collect and use some of it). The remains of that human body will contain less energy. You can't just re-use the materials forever. Ultimately, the Sun is our source of our energy (collected by plants and passed through the food chain). You couldn't sustain their farm without the Sun. Period.
 
Ichinisan said:
Looks to me like Morpheus dodged the swing and ended up pinned against the pillar when he did so. It may have been Neo's intention.

Regardless, one thing bothers me a lot more.

The laws of thermodynamics.

Even if energy wasn't lost by liquefying human remains and using them as nutrients for other humans, why would the machines choose to cultivate humans? Of all the creatures that existed on the planet earth, humans produced power better than anything else? You'd think the machines would have exterminated the humans and cultivated some other species with a higher metabolism / heat output (like the shrew). They should have explained it by saying that they needed the unused potential of the human brain to handle their own consciousness and generate the Matrix.

Still, I can't get over the blatant violation of the laws of thermodynamics. Heat given off is lost energy (even if you collect and use some of it). The remains of that human body will contain less energy. You can't just re-use the materials forever. Ultimately, the Sun is our source of our energy (collected by plants and passed through the food chain). You couldn't sustain their farm without the Sun. Period.
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You must be the life of any party... mostly.
 
Ichinisan said:
Looks to me like Morpheus dodged the swing and ended up pinned against the pillar when he did so. It may have been Neo's intention.

Regardless, one thing bothers me a lot more.

The laws of thermodynamics.

Even if energy wasn't lost by liquefying human remains and using them as nutrients for other humans, why would the machines choose to cultivate humans? Of all the creatures that existed on the planet earth, humans produced power better than anything else? You'd think the machines would have exterminated the humans and cultivated some other species with a higher metabolism / heat output (like the shrew). They should have explained it by saying that they needed the unused potential of the human brain to handle their own consciousness and generate the Matrix.

Still, I can't get over the blatant violation of the laws of thermodynamics. Heat given off is lost energy (even if you collect and use some of it). The remains of that human body will contain less energy. You can't just re-use the materials forever. Ultimately, the Sun is our source of our energy (collected by plants and passed through the food chain). You couldn't sustain their farm without the Sun. Period.
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They combined it with a form of fusion DUH!!!
 
Ichinisan said:
Looks to me like Morpheus dodged the swing and ended up pinned against the pillar when he did so. It may have been Neo's intention.

Regardless, one thing bothers me a lot more.

The laws of thermodynamics.

Even if energy wasn't lost by liquefying human remains and using them as nutrients for other humans, why would the machines choose to cultivate humans? Of all the creatures that existed on the planet earth, humans produced power better than anything else? You'd think the machines would have exterminated the humans and cultivated some other species with a higher metabolism / heat output (like the shrew). They should have explained it by saying that they needed the unused potential of the human brain to handle their own consciousness and generate the Matrix.

Still, I can't get over the blatant violation of the laws of thermodynamics. Heat given off is lost energy (even if you collect and use some of it). The remains of that human body will contain less energy. You can't just re-use the materials forever. Ultimately, the Sun is our source of our energy (collected by plants and passed through the food chain). You couldn't sustain their farm without the Sun. Period.
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How did they distinguish if they were still yet in another dream world rather than the real world... where there is no law of thermodynamics?
 
Ichinisan said:
Looks to me like Morpheus dodged the swing and ended up pinned against the pillar when he did so. It may have been Neo's intention.

Regardless, one thing bothers me a lot more.

The laws of thermodynamics.

Even if energy wasn't lost by liquefying human remains and using them as nutrients for other humans, why would the machines choose to cultivate humans? Of all the creatures that existed on the planet earth, humans produced power better than anything else? You'd think the machines would have exterminated the humans and cultivated some other species with a higher metabolism / heat output (like the shrew). They should have explained it by saying that they needed the unused potential of the human brain to handle their own consciousness and generate the Matrix.

Still, I can't get over the blatant violation of the laws of thermodynamics. Heat given off is lost energy (even if you collect and use some of it). The remains of that human body will contain less energy. You can't just re-use the materials forever. Ultimately, the Sun is our source of our energy (collected by plants and passed through the food chain). You couldn't sustain their farm without the Sun. Period.
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The "suspension of disbelief" thing got me right about at the time the narration says that the machines have fusion technology. Fusion.
And yet they choose to also use the chemical reactions of a race of squishy and rebellious Rube Goldberg devices, minus all the power it takes to maintain the population.
1) Use something like bacteria. They won't rebel, and they're exceptionally easy to grow.
2) If you really want a mammal, try something like a sloth. They're pretty mellow, and probably wouldn't really care about being in an artificial environment. "I'm in an artificial environment, and they're using me for power. Huh, crazy. Oh well, I just had a snack. Naptime."
(Or yes, shrews. Not much chance of an armed rebellion there.)
3) Have I mentioned that they had fusion technology?



darkxshade said:
How did they distinguish if they were still yet in another dream world rather than the real world... where there is no law of thermodynamics?
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Inception 2: The Matrix
 
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