One question I have not seen answered about NOL

[episodic]

Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediatly, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The militairy airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediatly, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The militairy airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

It took days to respond to the tsunami. In fact, like NOLA, the left used the tsunami to bash Bush relentlessly too. When the military airlifts supplies, it requires much previous planning. It's not as if they suddenly say, "Hey, let's go drop this load of food and water into Tikrit." and then just go d it. There is planning, staging, and logistics involved, particularly when it's done on any massive scale. Nor is it as if they can fly a C-17 over the superdome, crack open the cargo bay and let fly. You'd have a mob of people rampaging and even more hell would break loose.

And yesterday I did something I rarely do. I watched the news on the boob tube. I saw video after video of ice, bottled water, and food being distributed, so this claim that it's not happening seems like pure horsesh!t. Yes, there are isolated cases of people or groups of people not being taken care of, but how are they supposed to fly supplies into some of these folks when you've got morons who have decided to pop a cap at the helicopters and buses and intimidate drivers by pointing guns? If I were one of those drivers I wouldn't be going into that kind of crap either, no mater how desperate those people were and I doubt many, if any, in here would either.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediatly, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The militairy airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

It took days to respond to the tsunami. In fact, like NOLA, the left used the tsunami to bash Bush relentlessly too. When the military airlifts supplies, it requires much previous planning. It's not as if they suddenly say, "Hey, let's go drop this load of food and water into Tikrit." and then just go d it. There is planning, staging, and logistics involved, particularly when it's done on any massive scale. Nor is it as if they can fly a C-17 over the superdome, crack open the cargo bay and let fly. You'd have a mob of people rampaging and even more hell would break loose.

And yesterday I did something I rarely do. I watched the news on the boob tube. I saw video after video of ice, bottled water, and food being distributed, so this claim that it's not happening seems like pure horsesh!t. Yes, there are isolated cases of people or groups of people not being taken care of, but how are they supposed to fly supplies into some of these folks when you've got morons who have decided to pop a cap at the helicopters and buses and intimidate drivers by pointing guns? If I were one of those drivers I wouldn't be going into that kind of crap either, no mater how desperate those people were and I doubt many, if any, in here would either.

Come on now! You can't expect liberals to know stuff like that. They have never actually done anything. How would they know it takes time to do stuff. It only takes a couple of hours and cliff notes to cram for a test!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediatly, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The militairy airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

I dont think we were simply dropping food free style in the Tsunami areas. Dropping food from an helicopter into a crowd is not only dangerous but can cause even more chaos without the proper support to hand out the food.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediatly, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The militairy airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

I dont think we were simply dropping food free style in the Tsunami areas. Dropping food from an helicopter into a crowd is not only dangerous but can cause even more chaos without the proper support to hand out the food.

Yeah it's better to let them starve!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediatly, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The militairy airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

I dont think we were simply dropping food free style in the Tsunami areas. Dropping food from an helicopter into a crowd is not only dangerous but can cause even more chaos without the proper support to hand out the food.

Yeah it's better to let them starve!

Or better to cause a mad rush. That way people can get trampled willy-nilly like the Shiites in Baghdad. But that would at least solve the problem for a few unfortunate souls, eh?

/sarcasm

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Yeah it's better to let them starve!

Or better to cause a mad rush. That way people can get trampled willy-nilly like the Shiites in Baghdad. But that would at least solve the problem for a few unfortunate souls, eh?

/sarcasm

[/quote]
Sounds like a convenient excuse!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediatly, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The militairy airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

I dont think we were simply dropping food free style in the Tsunami areas. Dropping food from an helicopter into a crowd is not only dangerous but can cause even more chaos without the proper support to hand out the food.

Yeah it's better to let them starve!

It is better to get the food to them in an orderly fashion.
What purpose would it serve to drop food that could possibly land on them then let the armed thugs control the handout? You ever hear about Somalia?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediatly, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The militairy airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

I dont think we were simply dropping food free style in the Tsunami areas. Dropping food from an helicopter into a crowd is not only dangerous but can cause even more chaos without the proper support to hand out the food.

Yeah it's better to let them starve!

It is better to get the food to them in an orderly fashion.
What purpose would it serve to drop food that could possibly land on them then let the armed thugs control the handout? You ever hear about Somalia?

Oh so now Armed Thugs controlled by War Lords are in Control of the streets in NOLA?:roll:

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediatly, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The militairy airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

I dont think we were simply dropping food free style in the Tsunami areas. Dropping food from an helicopter into a crowd is not only dangerous but can cause even more chaos without the proper support to hand out the food.

Yeah it's better to let them starve!

It is better to get the food to them in an orderly fashion.
What purpose would it serve to drop food that could possibly land on them then let the armed thugs control the handout? You ever hear about Somalia?

Oh so now Armed Thugs controlled by War Lords are in Control of the streets in NOLA?:roll:

Have you been paying attention at all?
The place is turning into Mogadishu.

 

[yllus]

The idea that the military could deploy in New Orleans as quickly as it could in Iraq is rather silly. For all the people completely convinced in here that Bush was going to invade even if Saddam Hussein turned out to be Gandhi, you must recall the months and months of blustering from both sides as the military ramped up force projection in the Gulf.

I've been looking for a historical comparison to the present day situation; the first that comes to mind is the Berlin airlift:

In June 1948, the Soviet Union shut off road, rail, and barge access to Berlin in an attempt to force out the western powers and absorb Berlin into the Soviet sector. The only routes remaining open were the air corridors that had been established formally by previous four-power agreement.

For more than a year, the airlift kept West Berlin alive. Every 90 seconds, another airplane touched down, bringing food and coal. In all, they made 277,000 flights into the beleaguered city, delivering 2.3 million tons of cargo. In 1949, the Russians tacitly conceded that their power play was a failure and lifted the blockade.

Of course, the major difference there was that there was a place for those aircraft to land and troops were heavily represented in the region. Unfortunately you just can't beat the general top speed that humans and airplanes can operate at.

http://www.afa.org/magazine/march1998/0398edit.asp

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediately, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The military airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

I dont think we were simply dropping food free style in the Tsunami areas. Dropping food from an helicopter into a crowd is not only dangerous but can cause even more chaos without the proper support to hand out the food.

Yeah it's better to let them starve!

It is better to get the food to them in an orderly fashion.
What purpose would it serve to drop food that could possibly land on them then let the armed thugs control the handout? You ever hear about Somalia?

Oh so now Armed Thugs controlled by War Lords are in Control of the streets in NOLA?:roll:

Have you been paying attention at all?
The place is turning into Mogadishu.

No it isn't. What is happening is that a handful of armed thugs have been roaming the streets because there were inadequate numbers of National Guard and Police to Police the situation. It's nothing like Mogadishu despite what the sensationalist Journalist have been saying. In Mogadishu even with allege contingent of UN troops the place was Chaos. In NOLA if the Fed had acted quickly and sent the National Guard in in a timely manner none of this would be happening..well not to the extent it is now!

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediatly, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The militairy airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

Apparently not enough folks there voted for Bush?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: arsbanned

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediatly, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The militairy airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

Apparently not enough folks there voted for Bush?

I think that's definitely part of it.

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yeah it's better to let them starve!

We can have them kill each other over food and shoot at the fooddropping copters if you want.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Condor

Come on now! You can't expect liberals to know stuff like that. They have never actually done anything. How would they know it takes time to do stuff. It only takes a couple of hours and cliff notes to cram for a test!

I'd ask that both sides please stop with the unnecessary and unprovoked partisan attacks. None of the previous comments in this thread justified this insulting remark. Is there any chance we could take a break from this kind of invective, at least until the end of the holiday weekend?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Yeah it's better to let them starve!

We can have them kill each other over food and shoot at the fooddropping copters if you want.

O)f we could have had the National Guard there immediately instead of sitting on our hands letting the situation deteriorate until it is in the mess it is now!

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: episodic
Why did FEMA/STATE/WHOEVER not airdrop food and water into the affected areas, especially around the dome and near hospitals/nursing homes, etc.

Why? We got into 3rd world countries with NO infrastructure after the tsunami almost immediately, yet it takes 5 days to get anything to NOL? The military airdrops supplies in IRAQ, why not here?


Someone answer this?

I dont think we were simply dropping food free style in the Tsunami areas. Dropping food from an helicopter into a crowd is not only dangerous but can cause even more chaos without the proper support to hand out the food.

Yeah it's better to let them starve!

It is better to get the food to them in an orderly fashion.
What purpose would it serve to drop food that could possibly land on them then let the armed thugs control the handout? You ever hear about Somalia?

Oh so now Armed Thugs controlled by War Lords are in Control of the streets in NOLA?:roll:

Have you been paying attention at all?
The place is turning into Mogadishu.

No it isn't. What is happening is that a handful of armed thugs have been roaming the streets because there were inadequate numbers of National Guard and Police to Police the situation. It's nothing like Mogadishu despite what the sensationalist Journalist have been saying. In Mogadishu even with allege contingent of UN troops the place was Chaos. In NOLA if the Fed had acted quickly and sent the National Guard in in a timely manner none of this would be happening..well not to the extent it is now!

Define a handful if a few thousand national guard troops are having to come in armed to the teeth to deal with them and helicopters arent safe to fly anymore in some areas.

These roving gangs of men that are looking for women to rape is also more than disturbing.

 

[NeoV]

TLC - the president himself has said the relief effort so far has been unacceptable - so shut the hell up, stop trying to spin it - the fact that yes, you did see water being delivered yesterday is great....but it was late Thursday - when did the storm hit? Why were people told to go to the convention center - then basically left there for 4 days with nothing? The whole thing has been handled very poorly - I'll agree with you that bashing Bush for the lack of airdrops isn't cool at all - but you have to admit that America's initial statements about Tsunami support were pathetic at best - and fully deserving of the highest level of criticism possible.

Can someone provide a link to discuss "These roving gangs of men that are looking for women to rape is also more than disturbing" - is this really happening? Shoot them if it is - period - dont' bother arresting them, shoot them and throw away the bodies - they aren't worth the time, effort, or cost of jailing, trying, or attempting to rehab them...

I find it quite disturbing that people who survived the initial storm and subsequent flood are dying while waiting for aid or relocation to take place.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: NeoV
TLC - the president himself has said the relief effort so far has been unacceptable - so shut the hell up, stop trying to spin it - the fact that yes, you did see water being delivered yesterday is great....but it was late Thursday - when did the storm hit? Why were people told to go to the convention center - then basically left there for 4 days with nothing? The whole thing has been handled very poorly - I'll agree with you that bashing Bush for the lack of airdrops isn't cool at all - but you have to admit that America's initial statements about Tsunami support were pathetic at best - and fully deserving of the highest level of criticism possible.

Can someone provide a link to discuss "These roving gangs of men that are looking for women to rape is also more than disturbing" - is this really happening? Shoot them if it is - period - dont' bother arresting them, shoot them and throw away the bodies - they aren't worth the time, effort, or cost of jailing, trying, or attempting to rehab them...

I find it quite disturbing that people who survived the initial storm and subsequent flood are dying while waiting for aid or relocation to take place.

People Getting Raped, Beaten

At the Superdome, groups of refugees broke through a line of heavily armed National Guardsmen in a scramble to get on to the buses.

Nearby, about 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at New Orleans Convention Center grew ever more hostile after waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead.

Police Chief Eddie Compass said there was such a crush around a squad of 88 officers that they retreated when they went in to check out reports of assaults.

"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168269,00.html



Overnight, police snipers were stationed on the roof of their precinct, trying to protect it from gunmen roaming through the city.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/katrina.impact/index.html

They were also talking about it on the news this morning.

I agree the food situation is dire and something needs to be done.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: NeoV
TLC - the president himself has said the relief effort so far has been unacceptable - so shut the hell up, stop trying to spin it - the fact that yes, you did see water being delivered yesterday is great....but it was late Thursday - when did the storm hit? Why were people told to go to the convention center - then basically left there for 4 days with nothing? The whole thing has been handled very poorly - I'll agree with you that bashing Bush for the lack of airdrops isn't cool at all - but you have to admit that America's initial statements about Tsunami support were pathetic at best - and fully deserving of the highest level of criticism possible.

I'm not spinning a damn thing. I'm addressing the unrealistic expectations that people seem to have. Bush 1 took the same sort of beating from the left when Andrew hit, and NOLA has been pounded far, far worse than what Miami got. As much as I'd like it to be, this is NOT a problem that can be solved immediately without some serious consideration.

We've even got people claiming that you just toss rescue and aid workers in there and let them figure out themselves how to handle the situation? Really? How does that work when you find a group of people stranded or in danger and there's not even a communications infrastructure in place to call for help? How does someone respond to a roving gang with guns? What kind of tranportation is used to get rescuers and aid personnel around a flooded city? What about fuel for the transportation that is used. How do you feed and shelter those assisting in the effort? Who coordinates what hospital gets what injured people? How is food and water doled out? How do you get food and water to the right places in the first place? What are the right places? Where should security personnel concentrate their forces? What areas of NOLA are capable of being patrolled.

And those questions don't even scratch the surface of the issues that have to be taken into consideration.

 

[boredhokie]

Maybe i'm just a lone rational conservative voice here, but why can't these people pull themselves up by their bootstraps? Zendari can agree with me on this, we need to Shift the Goalposts and Put this one to Bed.

 

[boredhokie]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: NeoV
TLC - the president himself has said the relief effort so far has been unacceptable - so shut the hell up, stop trying to spin it - the fact that yes, you did see water being delivered yesterday is great....but it was late Thursday - when did the storm hit? Why were people told to go to the convention center - then basically left there for 4 days with nothing? The whole thing has been handled very poorly - I'll agree with you that bashing Bush for the lack of airdrops isn't cool at all - but you have to admit that America's initial statements about Tsunami support were pathetic at best - and fully deserving of the highest level of criticism possible.

I'm not spinning a damn thing. I'm addressing the unrealistic expectations that people seem to have. Bush 1 took the same sort of beating from the left when Andrew hit, and NOLA has been pounded far, far worse than what Miami got. As much as I'd like it to be, this is NOT a problem that can be solved immediately without some serious consideration.

We've even got people claiming that you just toss rescue and aid workers in there and let them figure out themselves how to handle the situation? Really? How does that work when you find a group of people stranded or in danger and there's not even a communications infrastructure in place to call for help? How does someone respond to a roving gang with guns? What kind of tranportation is used to get rescuers and aid personnel around a flooded city? What about fuel for the transportation that is used. How do you feed and shelter those assisting in the effort? Who coordinates what hospital gets what injured people? How is food and water doled out? How do you get food and water to the right places in the first place? What are the right places? Where should security personnel concentrate their forces? What areas of NOLA are capable of being patrolled.

And those questions don't even scratch the surface of the issues that have to be taken into consideration.

In an earlier thread you yourself said Martial Law is a good idea, why not just have that? Shoot anyone that doesn't get in an orderly line for food, right?

I'm glad the people in power whom you try to emulate actually have the ambition and means to help the people out down there instead of giving lame excuses.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: boredhokie

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: NeoV
TLC - the president himself has said the relief effort so far has been unacceptable - so shut the hell up, stop trying to spin it - the fact that yes, you did see water being delivered yesterday is great....but it was late Thursday - when did the storm hit? Why were people told to go to the convention center - then basically left there for 4 days with nothing? The whole thing has been handled very poorly - I'll agree with you that bashing Bush for the lack of airdrops isn't cool at all - but you have to admit that America's initial statements about Tsunami support were pathetic at best - and fully deserving of the highest level of criticism possible.

I'm not spinning a damn thing. I'm addressing the unrealistic expectations that people seem to have. Bush 1 took the same sort of beating from the left when Andrew hit, and NOLA has been pounded far, far worse than what Miami got. As much as I'd like it to be, this is NOT a problem that can be solved immediately without some serious consideration.

We've even got people claiming that you just toss rescue and aid workers in there and let them figure out themselves how to handle the situation? Really? How does that work when you find a group of people stranded or in danger and there's not even a communications infrastructure in place to call for help? How does someone respond to a roving gang with guns? What kind of tranportation is used to get rescuers and aid personnel around a flooded city? What about fuel for the transportation that is used. How do you feed and shelter those assisting in the effort? Who coordinates what hospital gets what injured people? How is food and water doled out? How do you get food and water to the right places in the first place? What are the right places? Where should security personnel concentrate their forces? What areas of NOLA are capable of being patrolled.

And those questions don't even scratch the surface of the issues that have to be taken into consideration.

In an earlier thread you yourself said Martial Law is a good idea, why not just have that? Shoot anyone that doesn't get in an orderly line for food, right?

I'm glad the people in power whom you try to emulate actually have the ambition and means to help the people out down there instead of giving lame excuses.

Martial law has been declared for days in NOLA. I bet you knew that already though. :roll:

 

[conjur]

What I want to know is why isn't the river being used to float barges/rafts of food/water/medicine (along with troops aboard) down to the city. The Conv. Ctr. is right on the river and could have had food/water DAYS ago. Security would have been much less of a concern than it is now.