One of the smartest people in the world Albert Einstein was woke.

[cytg111]

I am sure I would vehemently disagree with this if I knew what it meant. All I can figure is you giving up early in the face of certain defeat. Don't forget I have thought from childhoow that I was hundreds of years ahead of my time and will likely die before most of you catch up.

How can anyone forget, you keep reminding everybody . So. Will you die for my sins?

 

[uallas5]

He did say disparaging things about Asians in his early diary writing. He appears to have had a change of heart later. That is possible with human beings. People often have positions where they realize later in life their mistakes.

George Wallace spent the end of his life a supporter of civil rights, asking black civil rights leaders for forgiveness for his stance on segregation. He appointed a record number of black people to state office during his final term as governor including two to his cabinet.

 

[brycejones]

The a-bomb is powered by wokery.

 

[Moonbeam]

How can anyone forget, you keep reminding everybody . So. Will you die for my sins?

That will happen when you die to your belief if them. You were already forgiven. Where is your sin?

 

[cytg111]

That will happen when you die to your belief if them. You were already forgiven. Where is your sin?

Never was one to begin with. Im sure someone is ready to die for it anyway.

 

[Moonbeam]

Never was one to begin with. Im sure someone is ready to die for it anyway.

Then we have that in common. I tried to be one but the lack of ego required was more than I could muster. No staff through the valley of death for me.

 

[Moonbeam]

George Wallace spent the end of his life a supporter of civil rights, asking black civil rights leaders for forgiveness for his stance on segregation. He appointed a record number of black people to state office during his final term as governor including two to his cabinet.

I would love to know why it is that some people just wake up to the fact that everything they were taught and accepted as truth was nothing more than negative destructive programming. I imagine it might have something to do with how badly beaten down we were if we questioned

 

[woolfe9998]

Well, he was not that woke, take a dive on how he treated his wife... and now you're digging her contributions to "his" science.

Meh, he cheated on his first wife with the woman who became his second wife. As to whether his first wife had substantial influence on his thinking, wiki says this:

Historians of physics are divided on the question of the extent to which Marić contributed to the insights of Einstein's annus mirabilis publications. There is at least some evidence that he was influenced by her scientific ideas, but there are scholars who doubt whether her impact on his thought was of any great significance at all.

Whatever her debatable degree of influence on his early work, it's unlikely she had any influence on general relativity, as they were already separated when most of that theory was formed and fleshed out. So putting quotes around "his" is a little sketchy here.

 

[nakedfrog]

Well, he was not that woke, take a dive on how he treated his wife... and now you're digging her contributions to "his" science.

Thread title is using woke in the original meaning that it had for decades, not the modern usage where it means whatever the fuck someone wants it to mean at the time.

 

[woolfe9998]

Thread title is using woke in the original meaning that it had for decades, not the modern usage where it means whatever the fuck someone wants it to mean at the time.

I never heard the word "woke" used in a political context until about 7 years ago.

 

[Moonbeam]

Humanity has been asleep for thousands of years. Woke has always refereed to the spiritual transformation that becomes possible with the death of ego, the collapse of duality, and the experience of the loss of boundaries between the self and everything else.

 

[HomerJS]

Thread title is using woke in the original meaning that it had for decades, not the modern usage where it means whatever the fuck someone wants it to mean at the time.

Keep it simple. Woke simply means an awareness of injustice. Don’t let the right wing’s bastardization of the definition cloud the issue.

The solution for the injustice is not part of woke. Consider woke as a diagnosis. Pubs complain about treatments for woke allowing them to make it anything they hate.

 

[JD50]

You said he was wrong. I’m asking you what you think is the right answer.

I said I don't agree with an appeal to authority. Who did I say was wrong and what question are you even asking?

 

[HomerJS]

I said I don't agree with an appeal to authority. Who did I say was wrong and what question are you even asking?

My bad. I missed the negative in the middle of the sentence.

 

[cytg111]

Whatever her debatable degree of influence on his early work, it's unlikely she had any influence on general relativity, as they were already separated when most of that theory was formed and fleshed out. So putting quotes around "his" is a little sketchy here.

Well, there is plenty of journalism on the subject online, digging into who she was, their first marriage etc, Albert himself is quoted as stating that his wife was better at math than he was. Well, I read a little of this and then factor in that Mileva Marić,1875-1948, and this epoch of history and its treatment of women in science. Early 1900's and women in science, and this woman is surpassing her husband in the math department. I dont think we can properly asses what kind of beautiful mind this woman must have had.

Edit: Ill just add that Einstein is still one of my heroes, its just an acknowledgment that we’re all a product of our time.

 

[woolfe9998]

Well, there is plenty of journalism on the subject online, digging into who she was, their first marriage etc, Albert himself is quoted as stating that his wife was better at math than he was. Well, I read a little of this and then factor in that Mileva Marić,1875-1948, and this epoch of history and its treatment of women in science. Early 1900's and women in science, and this woman is surpassing her husband in the math department. I dont think we can properly asses what kind of beautiful mind this woman must have had.

Edit: Ill just add that Einstein is still one of my heroes, its just an acknowledgment that we’re all a product of our time.

I agree with you about women in science being underappreciated in that era. There's no doubt about that.

I don't doubt that his first wife made contributions. However, Einstein's genius was in thinking outside the box. His thought experiments to help him understand things like gravity and time dilation are famous. His math was merely competent. He may have had help with some equations. But I don't think anyone else explained to him that gravity wasn't what Newton thought it was, that objects with mass exert no force directly upon other objects with mass, but instead alter the characteristics of the empty space between the objects. Newton himself was probably the most monumental intellect in human history. To correct that man was no small feat. Practically no one even believed him at the time, until it was experimentally proven.

 

[cytg111]

I agree with you about women in science being underappreciated in that era. There's no doubt about that.

I don't doubt that his first wife made contributions. However, Einstein's genius was in thinking outside the box. His thought experiments to help him understand things like gravity and time dilation are famous. His math was merely competent. He may have had help with some equations. But I don't think anyone else explained to him that gravity wasn't what Newton thought it was, that objects with mass exert no force directly upon other objects with mass, but instead alter the characteristics of the empty space between the objects. Newton himself was probably the most monumental intellect in human history. To correct that man was no small feat. Practically no one even believed him at the time, until it was experimentally proven.

I can only imagine the pillow talk these two must have shared... and from there I must infer "maybe?". Thats all I am saying.

 

[woolfe9998]

I can only imagine the pillow talk these two must have shared... and from there I must infer "maybe?". Thats all I am saying.

Except for the ancients, every famous scientist had colleagues who undoubtedly had input. So technically it's always going to be a maybe.

 

[cytg111]

Except for the ancients, every famous scientist had colleagues who undoubtedly had input. So technically it's always going to be a maybe.

Well, sure, ok. Split the difference sprinkle some Pi, and lets call it a day .

 

[Moonbeam]

Srinivasa Ramanujan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[cytg111]

Srinivasa Ramanujan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Yes. I wish we could clone this dude and see what he could make of it with todays standards and backing. He might have been the greatest ever.