• Guest, The rules for the P & N subforum have been updated to prohibit "ad hominem" or personal attacks against other posters. See the full details in the post "Politics and News Rules & Guidelines."

One of the interesting things about taking a long drive....

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

Descartes

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
13,968
0
0
Sounds good to me. Let them have their own party. Butterbean can be the leader and they can all talk about how they're the only ones that get it while the rest of America can live in peace and ignorance.
 

seemingly random

Diamond Member
Oct 10, 2007
5,281
0
0
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Go ahead Butterbean, run for President in 2012, I will concede you might get your own vote, but past that, you getting more than one vote might be a stretch. But if you want to assert you are the real America, then by all means, put it to the acid test!
I think he's had too much bad acid already.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
30,268
3,803
126
Originally posted by: Skoorb
That's fine. The more insane they get, the more they push moderates away and the more of the country's political direction they will give up.

Seems like Rush hasn't read about sour grapes.
If these so called moderates we get are nothing more than Neocons, then you can keep them.
 

Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
11,939
1,272
126
The exact same thing happened in 1964, after John McCain's idol, Barry Goldwater, got trounced by LBJ. Goldwater came across as a hardcore extremist at the time, kind of like a Ron Paul. At the time the GOP consisted of the new Goldwater conservatives and a the older and larger, socially moderate fiscally conservative branch (kind of similar to Bill Clinton today).

The force that is dominate in the GOP today-the fundamentalists, moral authoritarians, was nowhere to be found. The GOP also had not yet absorbed the dixiecrat/segregationists.

I was born and raised a moderate GOP from a family that traced its GOP roots back to the origin of the party. I switched to Dems about the time of Bobbie Kennedy and nothing (outside of Gerald Ford) has really appealed to me in the national GOP since then.

I think the GOP should bust apart, create a seperate American Taliban Party and let true fiscally conservative persons have there own party.
 

mrSHEiK124

Lifer
Mar 6, 2004
11,491
2
0
Originally posted by: Thump553
The exact same thing happened in 1964, after John McCain's idol, Barry Goldwater, got trounced by LBJ. Goldwater came across as a hardcore extremist at the time, kind of like a Ron Paul. At the time the GOP consisted of the new Goldwater conservatives and a the older and larger, socially moderate fiscally conservative branch (kind of similar to Bill Clinton today).

The force that is dominate in the GOP today-the fundamentalists, moral authoritarians, was nowhere to be found. The GOP also had not yet absorbed the dixiecrat/segregationists.

I was born and raised a moderate GOP from a family that traced its GOP roots back to the origin of the party. I switched to Dems about the time of Bobbie Kennedy and nothing (outside of Gerald Ford) has really appealed to me in the national GOP since then.

I think the GOP should bust apart, create a separate American Taliban Party and let true fiscally conservative persons have there own party.
LOL. I suggest we call it Jesus Camp.
 

Butterbean

Banned
Oct 12, 2006
918
1
0
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Of course there is a real America. Over two thirds wanted the borders closed for years and neither party would address it until they sensed a revolt and even then they merely coasted. Most people do not want high taxes, mutational marriage forced by judges who override their votes to keep marriage between men and women (adopted by a vote of 61.4% to 38% in Prop 22 in 2000). On a great many issues there is large majority of people of all persuasions always getting a stick in their eye from the politcal parties. That group makes up the real America. Bush taught a lot of his voters that he thinks they are bugs. Obama will do the same for his voters in even more radical fashion
Right-wing populist parties come and go every few elections, but never win them. The fallacy in your thinking is that you are taking a presumed majority from several different issues and assuming that it is always the same majority on all of them, a single group, when it's not. It's many different majorities with a relatively small convergence/overlap.
There is some truth in what you say. But I am not thinking of right wing populism. The media and the political tactics of divide and conquer cause people to think they are more divided than they are. A young black man can be brought up to think he lives in South Africa and sees whites as "oppressors" He will vote for people that support that not realizing the same people will marginalize him in court over child custody - or support illegals over him because their numbers are greater.

People of different races, sexes etc have been cut up into little factions that serve to cut their legs from under them even as they think they are getting a helping hand. The only thing that has kept people from being aware of the situation has been the money and creature comforts. Once things really break down certain realities are going to unite people back down to basics. Unfortunately its going to be very harsh. Bad things loom ahead. We know Israel will strike Iran soon and fuel prices are going to blow through the roof. Obama is going to cripple the economy and unleash political correct shackles and thuggery. God help us if Bird flu or something worse comes along in the middle of it and key services are hurt. Get out of the big cities if you live there.
 

seemingly random

Diamond Member
Oct 10, 2007
5,281
0
0
Originally posted by: Butterbean
...
People of different races, sexes etc have been cut up into little factions that serve to cut their legs from under them even as they think they are getting a helping hand. The only thing that has kept people from being aware of the situation has been the money and creature comforts. Once things really break down certain realities are going to unite people back down to basics. Unfortunately its going to be very harsh. Bad things loom ahead. We know Israel will strike Iran soon and fuel prices are going to blow through the roof. Obama is going to cripple the economy and unleash political correct shackles and thuggery. God help us if Bird flu or something worse comes along in the middle of it and key services are hurt. Get out of the big cities if you live there.
*saying this while stroking gun lovingly*
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
48,686
9,872
136
Originally posted by: Butterbean
There is some truth in what you say. But I am not thinking of right wing populism. The media and the political tactics of divide and conquer cause people to think they are more divided than they are. A young black man can be brought up to think he lives in South Africa and sees whites as "oppressors" He will vote for people that support that not realizing the same people will marginalize him in court over child custody - or support illegals over him because their numbers are greater.

People of different races, sexes etc have been cut up into little factions that serve to cut their legs from under them even as they think they are getting a helping hand. The only thing that has kept people from being aware of the situation has been the money and creature comforts. Once things really break down certain realities are going to unite people back down to basics. Unfortunately its going to be very harsh. Bad things loom ahead. We know Israel will strike Iran soon and fuel prices are going to blow through the roof. Obama is going to cripple the economy and unleash political correct shackles and thuggery. God help us if Bird flu or something worse comes along in the middle of it and key services are hurt. Get out of the big cities if you live there.
Ah... good ol' extremist paranoia.
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
44,470
4,318
136
Originally posted by: Butterbean
What Rush says is true. Libs keep saying "conservatism" is dead when the only thing dead has been the Republican commitment to it. Bush Sr brought Clinton to power when he kicked Conservatives to the curb with his "no new taxes" charade and the Ross Perot movement sucked off enough votes to let Bubba in White House. Bush Jr likewise was not a conservative on a great many things including the borders and the execution of the war. A reason his poll numbers are so low is that even many people who voted for him realize he has been terrible. These same people know McCain is a boob (still better than a Marxist weirdo though). The one good thing about BO and libs is that many of the people voting for them are not voting for who they really are but who they think they are because of media and feckless McCain campaign. The reality of what they have done is going to become apparent very quick. As Bush impaled the Republican party Obama would impale the Democrats - and the nation itself. People think they are voting for Joe Mild Ivy Leaguer with toothy grin and glib manner. When they realize he really is a cultural Marxist who is going to turn on the people by degrees the backlash will begin in earnest and its going to be bad. A new political center that actually reflects the real America is at hand. Of course I dont expect many in this forum to be able to see that. Republicans never carried more conservatives sorts (those in Dem party as well)- its been the other way around. Rush sees that will stop
The Party you want has been tried before, and it had an all too appropriate name, the Know Nothing Party.

It, too, was based in fear and ignorance and angry exclusion of "furriners", in this case German and Irish Catholics. Cycles of chauvinistic and cultural ignorance come . . . and then they go, Butters. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.

Know Nothing history for know nothings. ;)

Here's another then soon to be presidential candidate's take on them. I'm more than sure, had you lived back then, you would have considered him the equivalent of a "cultural Marxist" too -- except you probably would have used the term negger lover. :|

 

Veramocor

Senior member
Mar 2, 2004
389
1
0
Originally posted by: Thump553
The exact same thing happened in 1964, after John McCain's idol, Barry Goldwater, got trounced by LBJ. Goldwater came across as a hardcore extremist at the time, kind of like a Ron Paul. At the time the GOP consisted of the new Goldwater conservatives and a the older and larger, socially moderate fiscally conservative branch (kind of similar to Bill Clinton today).

The force that is dominate in the GOP today-the fundamentalists, moral authoritarians, was nowhere to be found. The GOP also had not yet absorbed the dixiecrat/segregationists.

I was born and raised a moderate GOP from a family that traced its GOP roots back to the origin of the party. I switched to Dems about the time of Bobbie Kennedy and nothing (outside of Gerald Ford) has really appealed to me in the national GOP since then.

I think the GOP should bust apart, create a seperate American Taliban Party and let true fiscally conservative persons have there own party.
George Bush Senior was decently moderate as I remember. The thing conservatives complain about the most (tax raise) probably helped Clinton lower the deficits and set the stage for the 90's economic expansion.

I don't see why raising taxes can't be conservative if you are paying debts and not borrowing by doing so.

If you are deficit spending to finance tax cuts you are just raising taxes for the future generations and/or on present day people on fixed incomes (by way of inflation).
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
73,360
25,109
136
Anyone remember the aftermath of the 2006 election? Rush claimed the same thing about the Republican party then. He said he was sick and tired of carrying water for fake conservatives. What did he do in the 2008 election? Went right back to shilling for the Republicans again until it seemed certain they were in for another ass kicking.

This is entirely about his ego, it has nothing to do with the party. When they win, he helped them win. When they lose, he casts them off and talks about how they weren't his kind anyway.
 

Thump553

Lifer
Jun 2, 2000
11,939
1,272
126
Originally posted by: Veramocor
George Bush Senior was decently moderate as I remember. The thing conservatives complain about the most (tax raise) probably helped Clinton lower the deficits and set the stage for the 90's economic expansion.

I don't see why raising taxes can't be conservative if you are paying debts and not borrowing by doing so.

If you are deficit spending to finance tax cuts you are just raising taxes for the future generations and/or on present day people on fixed incomes (by way of inflation).
The original George Bush was a far different and better man before he fell under Reagan's spell. It was Bush who famously named Reagan's proposals "voodoo economics."
 

wwswimming

Banned
Jan 21, 2006
3,702
1
0
i like listening to Rush when i'm riding in a car also. i think i heard a similar broadcast, on Thursday
or Friday, and he was talking about Republicans who had left the GOP organization, according to
Rush, like Colin Powell.

of course, if Colin Powell is a registered Republican, i'll take his word for it, not Rush's.

i like the way Rush says words that have "s" sounds, like "essences". actually, i don't think
Rush would ever say "essences". when he's in attack mode & talks about socialiSTS, he
hyper-enunciates all the "s" sounds. i can't help but wonder if he has a speech coach,
and part of dealing with his painkiller consumption was to work on his E NUN CI A TION.
 

Perknose

Forum Director & Omnipotent Overlord
Forum Director
Oct 9, 1999
44,470
4,318
136
Originally posted by: wwswimming
i like the way Rush says words that have "s" sounds, like "essences". actually, i don't think
Rush would ever say "essences". when he's in attack mode & talks about socialiSTS, he
hyper-enunciates all the "s" sounds. i can't help but wonder if he has a speech coach,
and part of dealing with his painkiller consumption was to work on his E NUN CI A TION.
He's a practitioner of that old-time, hyper-emphasized, radio announcer diction, which has it's roots in the theatrical stage tradition of projecting into the depths of a theater, (It's ACTING!") complete with the male basso-profundo resonance that just sits up and says "Respect Mah Authoritah!"

 

Stunt

Diamond Member
Jul 17, 2002
9,717
2
0
Republicans are the natural governing party of the US; most people are in line with the values the Republican party stands for (or used to i should say). Unfortunately the Democrats have become the protest vote to hold the Republicans to account. The democrats have watered down their message and platform so much their policies aren't much different than the Republicans. I think the Republicans have done a decent job marketing the concept of reduced government, personal responsibility, lower taxes and reduced wealth redistribution. In most other nations, this isn't even part of political debate; the Republican party isn't going anywhere.

They mismanaged the last 8 years so badly yet they are still competitive; I can't comprehend that at all...
Rush needs to realize that the independents and moderate democrats brought Bush to power and they were not the ones who pushed Bush on no regulation for financial institutions, huge government spending increases, and sending the US into Iraq. He needs to accept that the base of the party screwed up, sit this one out and rebuild the party as a fiscally conservative, minimal foreign intervention and find real bipartisan solutions for immigration, social security and the deficit.
 

extra

Golden Member
Dec 18, 1999
1,947
6
81
Originally posted by: Butterbean
What Rush says is true. Libs keep saying "conservatism" is dead when the only thing dead has been the Republican commitment to it. Bush Sr brought Clinton to power when he kicked Conservatives to the curb with his "no new taxes" charade and the Ross Perot movement sucked off enough votes to let Bubba in White House. Bush Jr likewise was not a conservative on a great many things including the borders and the execution of the war. A reason his poll numbers are so low is that even many people who voted for him realize he has been terrible. These same people know McCain is a boob (still better than a Marxist weirdo though). The one good thing about BO and libs is that many of the people voting for them are not voting for who they really are but who they think they are because of media and feckless McCain campaign. The reality of what they have done is going to become apparent very quick. As Bush impaled the Republican party Obama would impale the Democrats - and the nation itself. People think they are voting for Joe Mild Ivy Leaguer with toothy grin and glib manner. When they realize he really is a cultural Marxist who is going to turn on the people by degrees the backlash will begin in earnest and its going to be bad. A new political center that actually reflects the real America is at hand. Of course I dont expect many in this forum to be able to see that. Republicans never carried more conservatives sorts (those in Dem party as well)- its been the other way around. Rush sees that will stop
I guess I'm confused at this point. Do you really believe Obama is a communist? Really? REALLY? I mean, if you honestly believe that I really don't know what to tell you. The really funny thing about this post is that it takes someone with knowledge enough to find a happy medium to actually keep our capitalist system working, steer too far to deregulation and stuff collapses, add too much government intervention and things collapse, too. Hate to say it, but Obama is pretty much a centrist. On almost everything. You can CLAIM he is anywhere you want on the political spectrum, but factually based on his stated policies in the grand scheme of things he's pretty much a centrist.

And no, no democrats are saying that conservatism is dead. They are saying real conservative movement is dead in the republican party. And it is. What you guys call conservatism, ie, wanting to make abortion illegal, hating on gays and fear mongering about letting them get married, wanting to project U.S. power as much as possible around the world, and huge tax cuts for the wealthy and de-regulation aren't conservatism. They are just stupid.
 

RichardE

Banned
Dec 31, 2005
10,246
2
0
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Juddog
Originally posted by: Butterbean
What Rush says is true. Libs keep saying "conservatism" is dead when the only thing dead has been the Republican commitment to it. Bush Sr brought Clinton to power when he kicked Conservatives to the curb with his "no new taxes" charade and the Ross Perot movement sucked off enough votes to let Bubba in White House. Bush Jr likewise was not a conservative on a great many things including the borders and the execution of the war. A reason his poll numbers are so low is that even many people who voted for him realize he has been terrible. These same people know McCain is a boob (still better than a Marxist weirdo though). The one good thing about BO and libs is that many of the people voting for them are not voting for who they really are but who they think they are because of media and feckless McCain campaign. The reality of what they have done is going to become apparent very quick. As Bush impaled the Republican party Obama would impale the Democrats - and the nation itself. People think they are voting for Joe Mild Ivy Leaguer with toothy grin and glib manner. When they realize he really is a cultural Marxist who is going to turn on the people by degrees the backlash will begin in earnest and its going to be bad. A new political center that actually reflects the real America is at hand. Of course I dont expect many in this forum to be able to see that.
"the real America" - what the f*ck is that supposed to mean?
Told you you wouldn't get it.
I don't get it because it's utter bullsh!t. America is America, there is no "real America" and "fake America". That's some utter garbage right there, you sound even more idiotic than usual saying that.
Of course there is a real America. Over two thirds wanted the borders closed for years and neither party would address it until they sensed a revolt and even then they merely coasted. Most people do not want high taxes, mutational marriage forced by judges who override their votes to keep marriage between men and women (adopted by a vote of 61.4% to 38% in Prop 22 in 2000). On a great many issues there is large majority of people of all persuasions always getting a stick in their eye from the politcal parties. That group makes up the real America. Bush taught a lot of his voters that he thinks they are bugs. Obama will do the same for his voters in even more radical fashion
Does your real american include gays and muslims? Or just white protestant man? :laugh:
 

retrospooty

Platinum Member
Apr 3, 2002
2,031
74
86
Originally posted by: Butterbean

Of course there is a real America. Over two thirds wanted the borders closed for years and neither party would address it until they sensed a revolt and even then they merely coasted. Most people do not want high taxes, mutational marriage forced by judges who override their votes to keep marriage between men and women (adopted by a vote of 61.4% to 38% in Prop 22 in 2000). On a great many issues there is large majority of people of all persuasions always getting a stick in their eye from the politcal parties. That group makes up the real America. Bush taught a lot of his voters that he thinks they are bugs. Obama will do the same for his voters in even more radical fashion
How can you stand to think like that? Fortunatly you are NOT the majority. People aws narrow minded as you are a rare and dying breed.
 

AlienCraft

Lifer
Nov 23, 2002
10,539
0
0
Demonize, divide and concure. The new Republican motto.

The only thing Un American around here is that "Real America" bullshit the Rovians like to spray around the room.
The only thing missing is the brown shirts and jackboots.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
48,686
9,872
136
Originally posted by: Stunt
Republicans are the natural governing party of the US; most people are in line with the values the Republican party stands for (or used to i should say). Unfortunately the Democrats have become the protest vote to hold the Republicans to account. The democrats have watered down their message and platform so much their policies aren't much different than the Republicans. I think the Republicans have done a decent job marketing the concept of reduced government, personal responsibility, lower taxes and reduced wealth redistribution. In most other nations, this isn't even part of political debate; the Republican party isn't going anywhere.

They mismanaged the last 8 years so badly yet they are still competitive; I can't comprehend that at all...
Rush needs to realize that the independents and moderate democrats brought Bush to power and they were not the ones who pushed Bush on no regulation for financial institutions, huge government spending increases, and sending the US into Iraq. He needs to accept that the base of the party screwed up, sit this one out and rebuild the party as a fiscally conservative, minimal foreign intervention and find real bipartisan solutions for immigration, social security and the deficit.
No offense, but your confusions are the result of being a Canadian, where conservatism is still an intellectual philosophy (as it rightfully should be). Rush's intentions are exactly the opposite of what you suggest. He wants a morally authoritarian, fiscally who-gives-a-fuck ideology to dominate.
And I disagree that the Pubs are the natural governing party of the US, they being mere usurpers since the Civil War, while the Dems are the party of Jefferson, but that's another discussion IMO, and I'm a Yankee. :)
 

chess9

Elite member
Apr 15, 2000
7,748
0
0
Originally posted by: Stoneburner
I recommend listening to a Teaching Company lecture on Ancient civilizations for long trips.
LOL! I usually listen to an audible.com book. Nothing like a good lecture on recent developments in particle physics to keep your mind on the road. ;)

-Robert
 

chess9

Elite member
Apr 15, 2000
7,748
0
0
Originally posted by: extra
Originally posted by: Butterbean
What Rush says is true. Libs keep saying "conservatism" is dead when the only thing dead has been the Republican commitment to it. Bush Sr brought Clinton to power when he kicked Conservatives to the curb with his "no new taxes" charade and the Ross Perot movement sucked off enough votes to let Bubba in White House. Bush Jr likewise was not a conservative on a great many things including the borders and the execution of the war. A reason his poll numbers are so low is that even many people who voted for him realize he has been terrible. These same people know McCain is a boob (still better than a Marxist weirdo though). The one good thing about BO and libs is that many of the people voting for them are not voting for who they really are but who they think they are because of media and feckless McCain campaign. The reality of what they have done is going to become apparent very quick. As Bush impaled the Republican party Obama would impale the Democrats - and the nation itself. People think they are voting for Joe Mild Ivy Leaguer with toothy grin and glib manner. When they realize he really is a cultural Marxist who is going to turn on the people by degrees the backlash will begin in earnest and its going to be bad. A new political center that actually reflects the real America is at hand. Of course I dont expect many in this forum to be able to see that. Republicans never carried more conservatives sorts (those in Dem party as well)- its been the other way around. Rush sees that will stop
I guess I'm confused at this point. Do you really believe Obama is a communist? Really? REALLY? I mean, if you honestly believe that I really don't know what to tell you. The really funny thing about this post is that it takes someone with knowledge enough to find a happy medium to actually keep our capitalist system working, steer too far to deregulation and stuff collapses, add too much government intervention and things collapse, too. Hate to say it, but Obama is pretty much a centrist. On almost everything. You can CLAIM he is anywhere you want on the political spectrum, but factually based on his stated policies in the grand scheme of things he's pretty much a centrist.

And no, no democrats are saying that conservatism is dead. They are saying real conservative movement is dead in the republican party. And it is. What you guys call conservatism, ie, wanting to make abortion illegal, hating on gays and fear mongering about letting them get married, wanting to project U.S. power as much as possible around the world, and huge tax cuts for the wealthy and de-regulation aren't conservatism. They are just stupid.
What the Butterbean Turkey doesn't understand is that Obama is politically savvy ENOUGH to not get out in front of his troops. He will lead mostly from the center, and has given some obvious signs of that with his vote for the FISA bill, the bailout bill, and his approach to Iraq, to name just a few. This idea that Obama is the culmination of all things liberal is nonsense. Dennis Kucinich might be closer to a real liberal. Obama is an acceptable centrist.

Butterbean Turkey is so far to the right he thinks Idi Amin was a liberal. Out there, one can't see anything because the ratio of bullshit to reality is 10,000/1.

-Robert
 

shira

Diamond Member
Jan 12, 2005
9,567
6
81
Originally posted by: Butterbean
What Rush says is true. Libs keep saying "conservatism" is dead when the only thing dead has been the Republican commitment to it. Bush Sr brought Clinton to power when he kicked Conservatives to the curb with his "no new taxes" charade and the Ross Perot movement sucked off enough votes to let Bubba in White House. Bush Jr likewise was not a conservative on a great many things including the borders and the execution of the war. A reason his poll numbers are so low is that even many people who voted for him realize he has been terrible. These same people know McCain is a boob (still better than a Marxist weirdo though). The one good thing about BO and libs is that many of the people voting for them are not voting for who they really are but who they think they are because of media and feckless McCain campaign. The reality of what they have done is going to become apparent very quick. As Bush impaled the Republican party Obama would impale the Democrats - and the nation itself. People think they are voting for Joe Mild Ivy Leaguer with toothy grin and glib manner. When they realize he really is a cultural Marxist who is going to turn on the people by degrees the backlash will begin in earnest and its going to be bad. A new political center that actually reflects the real America is at hand. Of course I dont expect many in this forum to be able to see that. Republicans never carried more conservatives sorts (those in Dem party as well)- its been the other way around. Rush sees that will stop
If you believe "a new political CENTER" will reflect the "real America," then why are you along with Rush such far-right wackos?
 

shira

Diamond Member
Jan 12, 2005
9,567
6
81
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Butterbean
Of course there is a real America. Over two thirds wanted the borders closed for years and neither party would address it until they sensed a revolt and even then they merely coasted. Most people do not want high taxes, mutational marriage forced by judges who override their votes to keep marriage between men and women (adopted by a vote of 61.4% to 38% in Prop 22 in 2000). On a great many issues there is large majority of people of all persuasions always getting a stick in their eye from the politcal parties. That group makes up the real America. Bush taught a lot of his voters that he thinks they are bugs. Obama will do the same for his voters in even more radical fashion
Right-wing populist parties come and go every few elections, but never win them. The fallacy in your thinking is that you are taking a presumed majority from several different issues and assuming that it is always the same majority on all of them, a single group, when it's not. It's many different majorities with a relatively small convergence/overlap.
There is some truth in what you say. But I am not thinking of right wing populism. The media and the political tactics of divide and conquer cause people to think they are more divided than they are. A young black man can be brought up to think he lives in South Africa and sees whites as "oppressors" He will vote for people that support that not realizing the same people will marginalize him in court over child custody - or support illegals over him because their numbers are greater.

People of different races, sexes etc have been cut up into little factions that serve to cut their legs from under them even as they think they are getting a helping hand. The only thing that has kept people from being aware of the situation has been the money and creature comforts. Once things really break down certain realities are going to unite people back down to basics. Unfortunately its going to be very harsh. Bad things loom ahead. We know Israel will strike Iran soon and fuel prices are going to blow through the roof. Obama is going to cripple the economy and unleash political correct shackles and thuggery. God help us if Bird flu or something worse comes along in the middle of it and key services are hurt. Get out of the big cities if you live there.
I often see people on street corners yelling "The end is coming! The end is coming!"

When it doesn't come this week or this year, they just shrug their shoulders, rationalize, and scream the same thing next week or next year.
 

OokiiNeko

Senior member
Jun 14, 2003
508
0
0
When they realize he really is a cultural Marxist who is going to turn on the people by degrees the backlash will begin in earnest and its going to be bad.
Politicians have been turning on us by degrees for years.

When is the last time one party could pass a law with all of the other party voting No?

See, they aren`t different at all.

:)
 

ASK THE COMMUNITY