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One More Reason Not to Eat Fast Food Burgers

Reasonable Doubt

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The New York Times reports that one of the main suppliers of processed beef filler to fast food restaurants like McDonald's and Burger King -- not to mention school lunch and grocery store meat -- had been using ammonia as a means of killing E. coli O157:H7 and salmonella.

Yes. Ammonia.

Years ago, the supplier, Beef Products Inc., figured out a way to process and treat the inedible bits from the carcass -- bits that "typically include most of the material from the outer surfaces of the carcass," the article reports. The processed filler, when mixed into ground beef, is intended to reduce the cost of beef and thus boost profit margins.

However, a considerable amount of dangerous bacteria like salmonella and E. coli O157:H7 is present in the "outer surfaces" such as the skin itself. So Beef Products began to blast its filler product with ammonia to kill the bacteria. Ammonia.

And they're still doing it.
The only problem was that it tasted terrible, so they apparently began to use less ammonia.
Meanwhile the USDA exempted Beef Products filler from inspection, since the ammonia would do the trick. Do you see where this is headed?
Less ammonia but the same amount of filler means increased traces of pathogens in beef samples -- a result that was confirmed by school lunch officials and the New York Times. In other words, too much ammonia and pH levels are too high and the filler is inedible. Not enough and it doesn't kill the pathogens. But either way, the beef still deliberately contains ammonia.

Again, this is beef filler that's used in school lunches and the most popular fast food chains in America. As recently as 2004, school lunch beef contained as much as 15% of this ammonia-treated filler as a means of saving a whole three cents per pound.

On several occasions, school lunch officials have suspended the use of Beef Products filler. But only temporarily due to bacteria contamination and not because of ammonia, pH or alkalinity levels. Meanwhile, fast food and grocery store beef continues to contain Beef Products' ammonia-doused processed whatever.

You won't find ammonia listed on any labels, by the way, so don't bother looking. Long ago, the government acquiesced to Beef Products' request that the ammonia treatment be categorized as a "processing agent" so it doesn't appear on any consumer labeling.
 
So you'd rather people ingest deadly pathogens and die?

Not me, I'd rather they don't put "Beef Filler" that requires an ammonia treatement in my ground beef.


What exactly is this grocery store meat they are talking about? Does this mean if I buy ground beef at a grocery store, it might have ammonia in it?
 
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Unless you can also provide evidence to suggest that the levels of ammonia present in the final product are harmful, your post is absolutely nothing more than worthless propaganda designed to play upon people's emotional reactions rather than an appeal to legitimate scientific worries.
 
I don't think ammonia is particularly bad for you. Some forms are added to food as a flavor agent. Salmiak(strong salty licorice) comes immediately to mind(ammonium chloride).
 
Unless you can also provide evidence to suggest that the levels of ammonia present in the final product are harmful, your post is absolutely nothing more than worthless propaganda designed to play upon people's emotional reactions rather than an appeal to legitimate scientific worries.

Exactly...if it were serious, probably about 90% of America would be dead within a week 😀 (Big Macs ftw!)
 
I had the best burger ever today. My friend gave me this thing for a FREE value meal from McD's, and I got an angus mushroom and swiss burger, was all that much better because it was free.
 
While the way they are trying to salvage otherwise inedible parts is a little shady, the use of ammonia doesn't bother me much.

Ammonia has a pretty low boiling point and as such would likely never be consumed at any significantly measurable levels. I would assume that after processing with ammonia, they should be able to treat the filler product with a buffer solution to bring the pH into appropriate levels. Now if they did this (or not) I have no clue. My bigger problem is them trying to save a few pennies here and there by using a filler product, not so much the use of ammonia.

There is so much chemical process done with items that we consume, I just can't concern myself with most of it. For example, in typical processes, methylene chloride (dichloromethane, MeCl2) is used to make decaffeinated coffee. MeCl2 is some pretty bad stuff and I hated, hated, hated, working with it in the lab. However it is used to removed caffeine (and flavor) from coffee. It too has a very low boiling point, so all of it (or essentially all of it) is lost during roasting or even sitting out at room temperature. Regardless, though, I still think it is somewhat of a disturbing process.
 
Why is the meat industry in this country so facked up? Watch the documentary food Inc. It's pretty sick. Another reason to double check where your food comes from and not eat at xcrap fast food places. If I ever want burgers , I normally ask the butcher at the market to grind a piece up right there. The thought of eating multiple cows in one patty is pretty nauseating. I think that it's depressing we need to process our foods so much now . Still looking forward to my steaks tomorrow though!
 
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For example, in typical processes, methylene chloride (dichloromethane, MeCl2) is used to make decaffeinated coffee. MeCl2 is some pretty bad stuff and I hated, hated, hated, working with it in the lab. However it is used to removed caffeine (and flavor) from coffee. It too has a very low boiling point, so all of it (or essentially all of it) is lost during roasting or even sitting out at room temperature. Regardless, though, I still think it is somewhat of a disturbing process.

Decaffeinated coffee makes my stomach hurt. You think that's why?
 
I don't think ammonia is particularly bad for you. Some forms are added to food as a flavor agent. Salmiak(strong salty licorice) comes immediately to mind(ammonium chloride).

Whether or not that is the case, the choice to consume or not consume it should come from the consumer, but to be able to make that choice they need to be told its in these products.
 
God Damn I want a burger now. Extra Ammonia please

😀 What about Five Guys? They use fresh meat right? I don't really eat McD or Burger King that much.

I eat Wendy's sometimes and it's delicious. I guess if I ate the Baconator everytime the ammonia could add up (big stretch)... but I'd probably die from other obvious factors. :awe:
 
Decaffeinated coffee makes my stomach hurt. You think that's why?

Making that determination is beyond my paygrade. MeCl2 is extremely volatile and will readily evaporate at room temperature. After roasting, griding, and brewing any solvent should evaporate and not be in your product.

While anything is possible, I would tend to suspect that MeCl2 would not be the cause of your problem. As much as chemical processing is used in the industry, the FDA is pretty anal about release testing methodologies to make sure products are safe. These goofy examples of e-coli getting into consumers is essentially the toxicology equivalent of airplane crashes; nothing can be 100% guaranteed and the evidence is overwhelmingly confident in the safety record of release testing.

Anyhow, it could be possible - total conjecture on my part, so don't bank on it - that during the extraction process other compounds are also removed (well compounds are removed) from the coffee beans and those lack of compounds could make the decaffeinated coffee "tougher" on your stomach. Total guess, though.

Whether or not that is the case, the choice to consume or not consume it should come from the consumer, but to be able to make that choice they need to be told its in these products.

I think that is a bit too idealistic and nowhere in the realm of reality. I suppose when you get down to it, if you do not want any potentially dubious processing, you as the consumer can use your choice to purchase kosher prepared organic meat products.
 
I always thought it was a natural coffee bean. Decaf tastes pretty gross

I do think there are some coffee varietals that are naturally low in coffee (selective breeding) and may be sold as some high-end coffee. However I was speaking about the typical processes used in manufacturing, i.e. mass produced coffee goods.
 
I like they repeat the word Ammonia by itself in its own sentence a couple of times.

Ammonia. Ammoniaaaa. Ammooooonia. AMMONIA. AMMONIA!!!!!! AMAONGBOAVGL!!!
 
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