One dead, one injured in Miami Burger King shooting

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Man Recovering After Being Shot During BK Robbery
MIAMI (CBS4) ?

The restaurant is located on the west side of Biscayne Blvd., one of Miami's busiest streets.

A South Florida man is recovering after being shot while stopping a robbery at Miami Burger King.

It happened late Tuesday afternoon when an armed man wearing a ski mask stormed into the restaurant on Biscayne Boulevard and 54th Street and demanded money.

"A good Samaritan inside the Burger King had a concealed weapons permit. He confronted the robbery suspect at which time shots were fired," said Miami police spokesman Jeff Giordano. "There were a lot of people inside the Burger King, he may have saved lives. It was a brave act."

The would be robber was killed, the good Samaritan was taken to Jackson Memorial Hospital in serious condition.

Employees arriving for were shocked when they heard what had happened.

"I received a call from one my relatives and they said there was a shootout at the Burger King and ask me was I ok. So now I'm kind of nervous. I don't know what happened," said one employee.

Police have not released the names of the would be robber or the man who as injured.

Anyone with information is urged to contact Miami-Dade Crime Stoppers at 305-471-TIPS.

http://www.miamiherald.com/new...news/story/965735.html

An afternoon shootout at a busy Burger King restaurant in Miami left a potential robber dead and the customer who shot him seriously wounded.

The bloody event unfolded about 4 p.m. Tuesday at the restaurant at Northeast 54th Street and Biscayne Boulevard. It was a time, employees said, when it is usually crowded with schoolchildren and people getting out of work early.

The robber entered wearing a ski mask. He approached a clerk, showed his gun and demanded money, said Miami police spokesman Jeff Giordano.

A customer eyed him and the two started arguing. The customer had a concealed-weapons permit and his gun -- and the two exchanged gunfire.

The robber crumpled to the floor and was pronounced dead at the scene.

The customer, with several gunshot wounds, was in serious but stable condition at Jackson Memorial Hospital's Ryder Trauma Center.

Officers divided witnesses into several groups outside the restaurant to gather information about the incident. Employees waiting to start their shift called friends and family members on their cellphones to pass the time because they were not allowed through the police tape.

''I just hope all my people are OK inside,'' said Cynthia Thomas, who has worked at the Burger King for five years. ``It is scary.''

Around them, drivers on busy Biscayne Boulevard gawked at the scene.

The area is a prime destination for residents in the Upper East Side neighborhood -- featuring Soyka's restaurant, Sushi Siam and Andiamo Pizza.

 

[EvilYoda]

What's with all the CCW threads today?

 

[theflyingpig]

This is truly wonderful news. The death of criminals is always welcome.

 

[Scouzer]

Hope the ccw guy lives.

 

[Modelworks]

While I applaud someone for defending themselves I do think in this circumstance it was very very risky.
It would have been better to have just let the guy get his money and go than to provoke a gun fight inside a area that may have many people.
If the guy was going to shoot someone that I can understand. If you look at robberies the majority are just after the cash and don't want a murder conviction.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Scouzer
Hope the ccw guy lives.

 

[Mo0o]

SHould have just let the guy take the $300 tahts probably insured anyways and let everyone go about their business.

Are you allowed to shoot the robber in the back as hes walking away?

 

[olds]

Nah, you should be able to shoot the robber, his mother and his first born. That might cut down on robberies.

 

[Hacp]

Something I'm interested in is the economics of this type of vigilante justice. Now, lets say that the cashier gives the guy the money, which is about one thousand at most. The guy leaves and the store is out 1k.

Now instead enters the guy with the CWP, gets into a shootout inside the burger king and is hospitalized. The CCW guy probably cost the hospital a substantial amount of cash, way over 1k.

The local Burger King also probably loses foot traffic due to the stigma of a shooting death on the same floor parents and children are eating. Instead of losing 1k in cash, the Burger King probably loses over 1k in food traffic.

The money saved by the government shouldn't be left out however. Court+lawyer+police costs from finding and arresting the perp should be substantial. The government probably saved a big wad of cash because this CCW guy did what the government is too chicken to do; killing the damn guy! All costs considered, I think the country came out ahead economically from this event.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Something I'm interested in is the economics of this type of vigilante justice. Now, lets say that the cashier gives the guy the money, which is about one thousand at most. The guy leaves and the store is out 1k.

Now instead enters the guy with the CWP, gets into a shootout inside the burger king and is hospitalized. The CCW guy probably cost the hospital a substantial amount of cash, way over 1k.

The local Burger King also probably loses foot traffic due to the stigma of a shooting death on the same floor parents and children are eating. Instead of losing 1k in cash, the Burger King probably loses over 1k in food traffic.

The money saved by the government shouldn't be left out however. Court+lawyer+police costs from finding and arresting the perp should be substantial. The government probably saved a big wad of cash because this CCW guy did what the government is too chicken to do; killing the damn guy! All costs considered, I think the country came out ahead economically from this event.

A intangible benefit to consider is justice. That's worth more than the money that was in the register. Also, if this happened enough, it would cut down on robberies in general. The target becomes much riskier when you can't be sure if anyone's carrying a weapon. As it stands now, as long as you don't target a pawn shop, there's little risk of a armed citizenry.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Hacp
Something I'm interested in is the economics of this type of vigilante justice. Now, lets say that the cashier gives the guy the money, which is about one thousand at most. The guy leaves and the store is out 1k.

Now instead enters the guy with the CWP, gets into a shootout inside the burger king and is hospitalized. The CCW guy probably cost the hospital a substantial amount of cash, way over 1k.

The local Burger King also probably loses foot traffic due to the stigma of a shooting death on the same floor parents and children are eating. Instead of losing 1k in cash, the Burger King probably loses over 1k in food traffic.

The money saved by the government shouldn't be left out however. Court+lawyer+police costs from finding and arresting the perp should be substantial. The government probably saved a big wad of cash because this CCW guy did what the government is too chicken to do; killing the damn guy! All costs considered, I think the country came out ahead economically from this event.

Ya, it would be cheaper to just leave some money on the counter in a box for robbers to come in and pick up. Self serve so to speak.

 

[TheVrolok]

I fail to see how this is, in any way, a positive event. 1 dead, possibly a second on the way .. all for a few hundred bucks? I find that hard to rationalize.

 

[0roo0roo]

well, coulda been just a robbery, or the robber coulda shot some people regardless. will never know

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Hacp
Something I'm interested in is the economics of this type of vigilante justice. Now, lets say that the cashier gives the guy the money, which is about one thousand at most. The guy leaves and the store is out 1k.

Now instead enters the guy with the CWP, gets into a shootout inside the burger king and is hospitalized. The CCW guy probably cost the hospital a substantial amount of cash, way over 1k.

The local Burger King also probably loses foot traffic due to the stigma of a shooting death on the same floor parents and children are eating. Instead of losing 1k in cash, the Burger King probably loses over 1k in food traffic.

The money saved by the government shouldn't be left out however. Court+lawyer+police costs from finding and arresting the perp should be substantial. The government probably saved a big wad of cash because this CCW guy did what the government is too chicken to do; killing the damn guy! All costs considered, I think the country came out ahead economically from this event.

A intangible benefit to consider is justice. That's worth more than the money that was in the register.

:laugh:

Burger King gives a shit about justice. Like every corporation, there is a cost/benefit ratio for every decision that takes place. In this place, the cost of the one CCW holder playing cowboy in their store will likely far outweigh any loss they would have taken at the register.

In fact, the CCW holder might not even survive, in which case it's a complete wash (minus the tens of thousands of dollars in hospital bills).

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
While I applaud someone for defending themselves I do think in this circumstance it was very very risky.
It would have been better to have just let the guy get his money and go than to provoke a gun fight inside a area that may have many people.
If the guy was going to shoot someone that I can understand. If you look at robberies the majority are just after the cash and don't want a murder conviction.

Oh obviously, which is why this guy gave up instead of shooting..oh, wait. 😕

 

[zoiks]

I'd be interested in knowing whether the robber was a repeat criminal or had a record. In this economy it wouldn't surprise me if many people resorted to robberies out of desperation.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Hacp
Something I'm interested in is the economics of this type of vigilante justice. Now, lets say that the cashier gives the guy the money, which is about one thousand at most. The guy leaves and the store is out 1k.

Now instead enters the guy with the CWP, gets into a shootout inside the burger king and is hospitalized. The CCW guy probably cost the hospital a substantial amount of cash, way over 1k.

The local Burger King also probably loses foot traffic due to the stigma of a shooting death on the same floor parents and children are eating. Instead of losing 1k in cash, the Burger King probably loses over 1k in food traffic.

The money saved by the government shouldn't be left out however. Court+lawyer+police costs from finding and arresting the perp should be substantial. The government probably saved a big wad of cash because this CCW guy did what the government is too chicken to do; killing the damn guy! All costs considered, I think the country came out ahead economically from this event.

A intangible benefit to consider is justice. That's worth more than the money that was in the register.

:laugh:

Burger King gives a shit about justice. Like every corporation, there is a cost/benefit ratio for every decision that takes place. In this place, the cost of the one CCW holder playing cowboy in their store will likely far outweigh any loss they would have taken at the register.

In fact, the CCW holder might not even survive, in which case it's a complete wash (minus the tens of thousands of dollars in hospital bills).

He wasn't talking about Burger King caring about justice :roll:

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Hacp
Something I'm interested in is the economics of this type of vigilante justice. Now, lets say that the cashier gives the guy the money, which is about one thousand at most. The guy leaves and the store is out 1k.

Now instead enters the guy with the CWP, gets into a shootout inside the burger king and is hospitalized. The CCW guy probably cost the hospital a substantial amount of cash, way over 1k.

The local Burger King also probably loses foot traffic due to the stigma of a shooting death on the same floor parents and children are eating. Instead of losing 1k in cash, the Burger King probably loses over 1k in food traffic.

The money saved by the government shouldn't be left out however. Court+lawyer+police costs from finding and arresting the perp should be substantial. The government probably saved a big wad of cash because this CCW guy did what the government is too chicken to do; killing the damn guy! All costs considered, I think the country came out ahead economically from this event.

A intangible benefit to consider is justice. That's worth more than the money that was in the register.

:laugh:

Burger King gives a shit about justice. Like every corporation, there is a cost/benefit ratio for every decision that takes place. In this place, the cost of the one CCW holder playing cowboy in their store will likely far outweigh any loss they would have taken at the register.

In fact, the CCW holder might not even survive, in which case it's a complete wash (minus the tens of thousands of dollars in hospital bills).

He wasn't talking about Burger King caring about justice :roll:

Do you think a few hundred bucks in the name of "justice" is worth it if you had to piss through a plastic tube for the rest of your life?

What if you were eating dinner with your kids at BK and the guy sitting next to you decides to play cowboys and indians with live ammunition? If your kid was collateral damage in the CCW holder's pursuit of justice, would you be okay with that?

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
While I applaud someone for defending themselves I do think in this circumstance it was very very risky.
It would have been better to have just let the guy get his money and go than to provoke a gun fight inside a area that may have many people.
If the guy was going to shoot someone that I can understand. If you look at robberies the majority are just after the cash and don't want a murder conviction.

exactly... many people's judgment can't be trusted even if they earned a permit. If you have it, you're more prone to use it. I know many people think they're responsible but I'll bet you there's more people who are not.

Also should say people who get involved in OTHER people's business putting themselves in harm's way... better judgment needs to be made there. Are you going to leave your wife and 2 kids just to defend BK's cash? Even something as simple as breaking up a fight - the guy gets you pretty good in the head causing disability and now you can't provide for your family. Judgment call, but if it's not life-threatening situation, and you have something to live for, leave it alone. Now I wait for all the internet heros...

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Modelworks
While I applaud someone for defending themselves I do think in this circumstance it was very very risky.
It would have been better to have just let the guy get his money and go than to provoke a gun fight inside a area that may have many people.
If the guy was going to shoot someone that I can understand. If you look at robberies the majority are just after the cash and don't want a murder conviction.

exactly... many people's judgment can't be trusted even if they earned a permit. If you have it, you're more prone to use it. I know many people think they're responsible but I'll bet you there's more people who are not.

Also should say people who get involved in OTHER people's business putting themselves in harm's way... better judgment needs to be made there. Are you going to leave your wife and 2 kids just to defend BK's cash? Even something as simple as breaking up a fight - the guy gets you pretty good in the head causing disability and now you can't provide for your family. Judgment call, but if it's not life-threatening situation, and you have something to live for, leave it alone.

If you don't have it, you can't use it...so obviously someone who has it is more prone to use it, whatever it may be. 😕

Who said it wasn't? The article is definitely lacking detail.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Modelworks
While I applaud someone for defending themselves I do think in this circumstance it was very very risky.
It would have been better to have just let the guy get his money and go than to provoke a gun fight inside a area that may have many people.
If the guy was going to shoot someone that I can understand. If you look at robberies the majority are just after the cash and don't want a murder conviction.

exactly... many people's judgment can't be trusted even if they earned a permit. If you have it, you're more prone to use it. I know many people think they're responsible but I'll bet you there's more people who are not.

Also should say people who get involved in OTHER people's business putting themselves in harm's way... better judgment needs to be made there. Are you going to leave your wife and 2 kids just to defend BK's cash? Even something as simple as breaking up a fight - the guy gets you pretty good in the head causing disability and now you can't provide for your family. Judgment call, but if it's not life-threatening situation, and you have something to live for, leave it alone.

If you don't have it, you can't use it...so obviously someone who has it is more prone to use it, whatever it may be. 😕

Who said it wasn't? The article is definitely lacking detail.

You're more prone to illegally speed if you have a 350hp car. That's my point. The issue here is deadly force because the minute you pull that out, you just escalated the situation entirely and everybody in there is at that much more risk. Even before that, if you're carrying, you're already on edge wondering if you should be a hero.

Some guy robbing a BK was threatening someone's life? Or do you really think he went in there seeking vengeance on his ex-gf who was eating or working there?

The robber entered wearing a ski mask. He approached a clerk, showed his gun and demanded money, said Miami police spokesman Jeff Giordano.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Hacp
Something I'm interested in is the economics of this type of vigilante justice. Now, lets say that the cashier gives the guy the money, which is about one thousand at most. The guy leaves and the store is out 1k.

Now instead enters the guy with the CWP, gets into a shootout inside the burger king and is hospitalized. The CCW guy probably cost the hospital a substantial amount of cash, way over 1k.

The local Burger King also probably loses foot traffic due to the stigma of a shooting death on the same floor parents and children are eating. Instead of losing 1k in cash, the Burger King probably loses over 1k in food traffic.

The money saved by the government shouldn't be left out however. Court+lawyer+police costs from finding and arresting the perp should be substantial. The government probably saved a big wad of cash because this CCW guy did what the government is too chicken to do; killing the damn guy! All costs considered, I think the country came out ahead economically from this event.

A intangible benefit to consider is justice. That's worth more than the money that was in the register.

:laugh:

Burger King gives a shit about justice. Like every corporation, there is a cost/benefit ratio for every decision that takes place. In this place, the cost of the one CCW holder playing cowboy in their store will likely far outweigh any loss they would have taken at the register.

In fact, the CCW holder might not even survive, in which case it's a complete wash (minus the tens of thousands of dollars in hospital bills).

He wasn't talking about Burger King caring about justice :roll:

Do you think a few hundred bucks in the name of "justice" is worth it if you had to piss through a plastic tube for the rest of your life?

What if you were eating dinner with your kids at BK and the guy sitting next to you decides to play cowboys and indians with live ammunition? If your kid was collateral damage in the CCW holder's pursuit of justice, would you be okay with that?

How much would it have cost the government to prosecute the criminal, and then house him. I'm glad the criminal is dead, one less drain on society. You on the other hand would be against even prosecuting the criminal as the cost would far outweigh what the criminal took.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: Modelworks
While I applaud someone for defending themselves I do think in this circumstance it was very very risky.
It would have been better to have just let the guy get his money and go than to provoke a gun fight inside a area that may have many people.
If the guy was going to shoot someone that I can understand. If you look at robberies the majority are just after the cash and don't want a murder conviction.

exactly... many people's judgment can't be trusted even if they earned a permit. If you have it, you're more prone to use it. I know many people think they're responsible but I'll bet you there's more people who are not.

Also should say people who get involved in OTHER people's business putting themselves in harm's way... better judgment needs to be made there. Are you going to leave your wife and 2 kids just to defend BK's cash? Even something as simple as breaking up a fight - the guy gets you pretty good in the head causing disability and now you can't provide for your family. Judgment call, but if it's not life-threatening situation, and you have something to live for, leave it alone.

If you don't have it, you can't use it...so obviously someone who has it is more prone to use it, whatever it may be. 😕

Who said it wasn't? The article is definitely lacking detail.

You're more prone to illegally speed if you have a 350hp car. That's my point.

Some guy robbing a BK was threatening someone's life? Or do you really think he went in there seeking vengeance on his ex-gf who was eating or working there?

The robber entered wearing a ski mask. He approached a clerk, showed his gun and demanded money, said Miami police spokesman Jeff Giordano.

Considering a 100hp car can exceed the speed limit just as easily, I'm not entirely sure I agree with you there.

Who knows. He showed a gun and started arguing with a customer. It is entirely possible that the customer was then in fear for his life and fired. How many people do you think would go out of their way to shoot someone who already has a gun out if they felt that everyone was going to be safe?

I wasn't there - I don't know. However, neither was anyone else here, so stop assuming and passing judgment on the guy based on what you think might have happened.

Then again, some people would just as soon have a violent felon loose on the streets, thinking that oh, he'll never hurt anyone..it's all just for show...

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: Hacp
Something I'm interested in is the economics of this type of vigilante justice. Now, lets say that the cashier gives the guy the money, which is about one thousand at most. The guy leaves and the store is out 1k.

Now instead enters the guy with the CWP, gets into a shootout inside the burger king and is hospitalized. The CCW guy probably cost the hospital a substantial amount of cash, way over 1k.

The local Burger King also probably loses foot traffic due to the stigma of a shooting death on the same floor parents and children are eating. Instead of losing 1k in cash, the Burger King probably loses over 1k in food traffic.

The money saved by the government shouldn't be left out however. Court+lawyer+police costs from finding and arresting the perp should be substantial. The government probably saved a big wad of cash because this CCW guy did what the government is too chicken to do; killing the damn guy! All costs considered, I think the country came out ahead economically from this event.

A intangible benefit to consider is justice. That's worth more than the money that was in the register.

:laugh:

Burger King gives a shit about justice. Like every corporation, there is a cost/benefit ratio for every decision that takes place. In this place, the cost of the one CCW holder playing cowboy in their store will likely far outweigh any loss they would have taken at the register.

In fact, the CCW holder might not even survive, in which case it's a complete wash (minus the tens of thousands of dollars in hospital bills).

He wasn't talking about Burger King caring about justice :roll:

Do you think a few hundred bucks in the name of "justice" is worth it if you had to piss through a plastic tube for the rest of your life?

What if you were eating dinner with your kids at BK and the guy sitting next to you decides to play cowboys and indians with live ammunition? If your kid was collateral damage in the CCW holder's pursuit of justice, would you be okay with that?

How much would it have cost the government to prosecute the criminal, and then house him. I'm glad the criminal is dead, one less drain on society. You on the other hand would be against even prosecuting the criminal as the cost would far outweigh what the criminal took.

Glad to know you would pee through a tube and endanger the lives of children to fatten the bottom line for BK and their insurance company by a few hundred bucks.

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
...
Glad to know you would pee through a tube and endanger the lives of children to fatten the bottom line for BK and their insurance company and show criminals that their actions will not be tolerated.

:thumbsup: