One common sentiment....both parties suck

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Moonbeam

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Does the Libertarian wasted vote cause more or less guilt than the Democrat wasted vote? At least wasting your vote on Libertarians would get you fewer people molesting us at the airport, less spying on Americans, and less blowing up brown people, while wasting your vote on Democrats get you more molestation, spying and death.

Voting libertarian buys me nothing because it's a wasted vote. A Democratic crappy vote buys me insurance against a Republican contender who will vote lock-step with imbeciles. You are not facing the fact that libertarians aren't close to having a chance. I appreciate your anger but I don't think you deal with it responsibly. I believe I am better dealing with reality than you are but it's just my moral opinion.
 

werepossum

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That IS the wish of the electorate. They don't want the power or the responsibility. They want someone making decisions for them, so that they're free to focus on what kind of TV or mobile device to buy.
Exactly right. I first realized that when I saw people interviewed who do not believe Social Security will be there for them, but still did not want the responsibility of handling their own retirement accounts. When people are willing to accept destitution to avoid responsibility, what leadership do they deserve?

The entire 'ruling class' (how they see themselves, and how far too many subservient sheepish pricks in the population see them as well) completely suck.

They exist to further their own power, to continue transferring larger and larger shares of the national GDP out of the private sector and into their public sector rathole. They want more power over people's lives, and more money. Nothing else. Virtually all pretense otherwise is yet another ruse to achieve those main goals.

Their goal is to live like kings and queens with absolute power, while the subservient serfs worship them, and enslave themselves for them. It's ironic, because those that whine loudest about the private sector doing this with their own money, are the biggest dupes for the ruling class doing the same on an even grander scale with everyone else's money.

The Democrats are clearly just shameless statists- their perfect world would resemble something close to North Korea, with them calling all the shots, most people living like hopeless slobs, but erecting big 'HOPE' monuments to Dear Leader.

The Republicans for the most part just believe in a 'lite' version of the same thing, they just want to be in control of it. The Rep establishment really couldn't care less how huge and out of control the government gets- they want as much control/money/power as the statist Democrats do, just they have a different advertising campaign for the sheeple on how to get there.
Well said.
 

sportage

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You got to admit democrats have been very unified. They support social issues.
No such thing as a democratic tea party either.
Only one party sucks. The divided party. The other party has to try and deal with the one that sucks.
I could not believe yesterday when one of the tea party members of the house said "WHO CARES WHAT THE HELL JOHN MCCAIN THINKS".
Like with someones kids. If you have one bad kid and one good kid, everyone in the neighborhood holds the bad kids antics against the good kid. And against the whole family for that matter.

Thats just how it goes.

Democrats are and have been totally unified. Republicans made a fool of themselves during the elections last year. Remember?
Talk about bad children.

I think democrats problem was Nancy Pelosi. She just has this thing that turns people off.
She is smart and wise but comes across with this pissy attitude.
Democrats could have possibly kept the house if Nancy Pelosi had not been so demonized.
Like the poster child for the typical arrogant above everyone else liberal democrat.
That was Nancy Pelosi's impression whether true or not.
 

BoberFett

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Voting libertarian buys me nothing because it's a wasted vote. A Democratic crappy vote buys me insurance against a Republican contender who will vote lock-step with imbeciles. You are not facing the fact that libertarians aren't close to having a chance. I appreciate your anger but I don't think you deal with it responsibly. I believe I am better dealing with reality than you are but it's just my moral opinion.

So molestation, spying and death is not brought to you by Democrat imbeciles marching in lockstep with imbecile Republicans?

Comments about anger and dealing with reality are childish and insultingly dismissive, but they're what I've come to expect from you. You are not an adult, you just pretend to be one.
 

BoberFett

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You got to admit democrats have been very unified. They support social issues.
No such thing as a democratic tea party either.
Only one party sucks. The divided party. The other party has to try and deal with the one that sucks.
I could not believe yesterday when one of the tea party members of the house said "WHO CARES WHAT THE HELL JOHN MCCAIN THINKS".
Like with someones kids. If you have one bad kid and one good kid, everyone in the neighborhood holds the bad kids antics against the good kid. And against the whole family for that matter.

Thats just how it goes.

Democrats are and have been totally unified. Republicans made a fool of themselves during the elections last year. Remember?
Talk about bad children.

Wait a second, I thought it was Republicans that had a hive mind and stuck together, while Democrats were amazing, independent thinkers.

So now your complaint is that the Republicans aren't falling in lockstep behind the old guard, while Democrats are unified?

You people are likely clinically insane. Please see a doctor.
 

Jeff7

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This is why I don't vote. By voting you are just ensuring that one party wins.

If no one voted then neither party would win.
But then the one person who does go out and vote sure has a heck of a lot of sway.


Write-ins are always an option. In the absence of a "These choices all suck and should be thrown off a bridge into a pond, and the pond should then be filled with concrete" option, a write-in at least serves to count you toward voter turnout, and it can serve as a vote of no confidence.

I've done that several times now. I didn't want to have to live with the guilt of having to think, "Wow...and I helped vote this person into office."

"Lesser of two evils." - Voting for either one isn't really very good then, is it?
 

werepossum

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Wait a second, I thought it was Republicans that had a hive mind and stuck together, while Democrats were amazing, independent thinkers.

So now your complaint is that the Republicans aren't falling in lockstep behind the old guard, while Democrats are unified?

You people are likely clinically insane. Please see a doctor.
LOL!

But then the one person who does go out and vote sure has a heck of a lot of sway.

Write-ins are always an option. In the absence of a "These choices all suck and should be thrown off a bridge into a pond, and the pond should then be filled with concrete" option, a write-in at least serves to count you toward voter turnout, and it can serve as a vote of no confidence.

I've done that several times now. I didn't want to have to live with the guilt of having to think, "Wow...and I helped vote this person into office."

"Lesser of two evils." - Voting for either one isn't really very good then, is it?
Pretty much the same thing as a third party vote, except with a third party vote you're also expressing a societal preference.
 

Moonbeam

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That IS the wish of the electorate. They don't want the power or the responsibility. They want someone making decisions for them, so that they're free to focus on what kind of TV or mobile device to buy.

Ah me. We will never see, I am quite sure, that all the negatives we see in other people we see because they are the truths we hide from ourselves. We are all the electorate and we are all waiting for Santa Clause to arrive.
 

werepossum

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Jul 10, 2006
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Wait a second, I thought it was Republicans that had a hive mind and stuck together, while Democrats were amazing, independent thinkers.

So now your complaint is that the Republicans aren't falling in lockstep behind the old guard, while Democrats are unified?

You people are likely clinically insane. Please see a doctor.
Well, yeah, but, um, Democrats are all marching in lock-step independently.