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From the Washington Post.

An article from a CIA employee who was stationed in the middle east during the 1983 Beirut bombing.

Will Lebanon's Horror Become Iraq's?

Excerpt:

"Iraq today is probably worse off than Lebanon was in 1983. There is not even the skeleton of an army or a police force. Members of the U.S.-appointed Iraqi Governing Council now claim they warned us of a bombing, possibly aimed at the United Nations. But don't forget the council includes some of the same people who were telling us that Saddam possessed weapons of mass destruction, deployed and ready for his orders. The only intelligence in Iraq that we can count on is our own."

I would disagree with the last sentence. With the Bush administration laying waste to any credibility we can't even trust our own intelligence any longer.
 

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He I am sure this guy houses a large amount of expertise on Iraq.
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BOBDN

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Originally posted by: Tabb
He I am sure this guy houses a large amount of expertise on Iraq.
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Did you even bother to read the footnote to the article?

He spent 21 YEARS with the CIA in the middle east. Judging from your posts probably more time that you've been alive.

I suppose you have more expertise?

In case you can't make it through the whole article I'll post the footnote for you.

"Robert Baer is a former CIA officer who served in the Middle East for 21 years, leaving the agency in 1997. His new book, "Sleeping With the Devil: How Washington Sold Our Soul for Saudi Crude" (Crown), was published last month."

 

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Unfortunately I see no way we can measure the credibility of this "former CIA officer" as any better than those who have called so many miscues in recent history. Its a lot easier for him to be critical from a distance than if he were an active member of the agency now.
 

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Tabb
He I am sure this guy houses a large amount of expertise on Iraq.
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Did you even bother to read the footnote to the article?

He spent 21 YEARS with the CIA in the middle east. Judging from your posts probably more time that you've been alive.

I suppose you have more expertise?

In case you can't make it through the whole article I'll post the footnote for you.

"Robert Baer is a former CIA officer who served in the Middle East for 21 years, leaving the agency in 1997. His new book, "Sleeping With the Devil: How Washington Sold Our Soul for Saudi Crude" (Crown), was published last month."

He LEFT the agency in 1997. He sure has alot of expertise on things that happen today?
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: mastertech01
Unfortunately I see no way we can measure the credibility of this "former CIA officer" as any better than those who have called so many miscues in recent history. Its a lot easier for him to be critical from a distance than if he were an active member of the agency now.

Anyone who still believes or supports Bush after his lies in the run up to the Iraq invasion cannot question anyone's credibility.

Just my opinion.
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: Tabb
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: Tabb
He I am sure this guy houses a large amount of expertise on Iraq.
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Did you even bother to read the footnote to the article?

He spent 21 YEARS with the CIA in the middle east. Judging from your posts probably more time that you've been alive.

I suppose you have more expertise?

In case you can't make it through the whole article I'll post the footnote for you.

"Robert Baer is a former CIA officer who served in the Middle East for 21 years, leaving the agency in 1997. His new book, "Sleeping With the Devil: How Washington Sold Our Soul for Saudi Crude" (Crown), was published last month."

He LEFT the agency in 1997. He sure has alot of expertise on things that happen today?


A specious argument. The man spent 21 years in the middle east. That's 21 years more than Bush.

Who has more expertise? Especially in light of the myriad mistakes Bush has made in Iraq?
 

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Originally posted by: mastertech01
Unfortunately I see no way we can measure the credibility of this "former CIA officer" as any better than those who have called so many miscues in recent history. Its a lot easier for him to be critical from a distance than if he were an active member of the agency now.


Very true. But these liberals are trying their best every day to make the US look bad in Iraq because Bush is President. Nice try again guys :)
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Originally posted by: mastertech01
Unfortunately I see no way we can measure the credibility of this "former CIA officer" as any better than those who have called so many miscues in recent history. Its a lot easier for him to be critical from a distance than if he were an active member of the agency now.


Very true. But these liberals are trying their best every day to make the US look bad in Iraq because Bush is President. Nice try again guys :)

No one has to try to make Bush look bad. He's doing way to good a job on his own.

 

mastertech01

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: mastertech01
Unfortunately I see no way we can measure the credibility of this "former CIA officer" as any better than those who have called so many miscues in recent history. Its a lot easier for him to be critical from a distance than if he were an active member of the agency now.

Anyone who still believes or supports Bush after his lies in the run up to the Iraq invasion cannot question anyone's credibility.

Just my opinion.


And certainly your opinion is just as important and credible. Thank the Lord we have you to straighten out the world in confusion.
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BOBDN

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Originally posted by: mastertech01
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: mastertech01
Unfortunately I see no way we can measure the credibility of this "former CIA officer" as any better than those who have called so many miscues in recent history. Its a lot easier for him to be critical from a distance than if he were an active member of the agency now.

Anyone who still believes or supports Bush after his lies in the run up to the Iraq invasion cannot question anyone's credibility.

Just my opinion.


And certainly your opinion is just as important and credible. Thank the Lord we have you to straighten out the world in confusion.
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I can't "stratighten out the world in confusion." Never claimed I could. But I can keep the world from confusing me.

And my opinion is just as important and credible as anyone else's. Especially that lying smarmy jerk you defend in the White House.

 

mastertech01

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: mastertech01
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: mastertech01
Unfortunately I see no way we can measure the credibility of this "former CIA officer" as any better than those who have called so many miscues in recent history. Its a lot easier for him to be critical from a distance than if he were an active member of the agency now.

Anyone who still believes or supports Bush after his lies in the run up to the Iraq invasion cannot question anyone's credibility.

Just my opinion.


And certainly your opinion is just as important and credible. Thank the Lord we have you to straighten out the world in confusion.
rolleye.gif

I can't "stratighten out the world in confusion." Never claimed I could. But I can keep the world from confusing me.

And my opinion is just as important and credible as anyone else's. Especially that lying smarmy jerk you defend in the White House.

Is he any more of a lying smarmy jerk than you are? Prove it. And where was I defending him? I only questioned the authenticity of the opinion of the EXPERT you presented.

 

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So BOBDN, you think this guy really has that much knowledge on current affairs in Iraq?
 

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Originally posted by: Tabb
So BOBDN, you think this guy really has that much knowledge on current affairs in Iraq?

He and others like him here don't care about facts. This is just another link to their hatred of the current President and anything they can come up with to shine a bad light on the US under Bush.
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: mastertech01
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: mastertech01
Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: mastertech01
Unfortunately I see no way we can measure the credibility of this "former CIA officer" as any better than those who have called so many miscues in recent history. Its a lot easier for him to be critical from a distance than if he were an active member of the agency now.

Anyone who still believes or supports Bush after his lies in the run up to the Iraq invasion cannot question anyone's credibility.

Just my opinion.


And certainly your opinion is just as important and credible. Thank the Lord we have you to straighten out the world in confusion.
rolleye.gif

I can't "stratighten out the world in confusion." Never claimed I could. But I can keep the world from confusing me.

And my opinion is just as important and credible as anyone else's. Especially that lying smarmy jerk you defend in the White House.

Is he any more of a lying smarmy jerk than you are? Prove it. And where was I defending him? I only questioned the authenticity of the opinion of the EXPERT you presented.


Yeah, he's more of a smarmy jerk than I am. His daddy has pulled strings for him all his life. Through school and into business. Pulled strings to get him in the Texas Air National Guard during Viet Nam, too. Where he promptly went AWOL. No need to worry about repercussions when your daddy is George Bush. Failed businesses didn't matter either. As soon as he ran one into the ground daddy's friends pooled their funds and bought him another one. And then they bought him the White House.

Bush is the definition of smarmy jerk. When you look up smarmy jerk in the dictionary Bush's picture is there.

As far as the expert presented in the MSNBC article, as I've said before, he spent 21 years in the middle east. He has a hell of a lot more credibility than Bush. Especially since Bush lost all of his credibility lying to America and the world about Iraq.

Why don't you stop questioning me and start questioning your "president"?
 

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Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Originally posted by: Tabb
So BOBDN, you think this guy really has that much knowledge on current affairs in Iraq?

He and others like him here don't care about facts. This is just another link to their hatred of the current President and anything they can come up with to shine a bad light on the US under Bush.



i'm sure you were Clintons number one fan when he was president.


insert standard - Clinton got blowjob response

insert standard - Bush has restored credibility to the whitehouse

 

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Yeah, why bother to address the issue at-hand when you can so easily attack the source? Hell, I'd listen to the opinions of a 21-year vet of the CIA over some flag-waving jackass on these forums any day.
 

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The americans were 'scared' out of bierut, a few months after a powerful attack. A truck slowed down and stopped at a barraks the driver smiled at the guard and drove in. The truck was carrying quite a payload of explosives, which were than detonated, killing aprox. 200+ U.S. soldiers.

If not attacked in Iraq the U.S. will be attacked at home. Russian surface to-air-missles may kill a couple of hundred innocent people onboard there jet.


Basically, the U.S. is f**ked.
 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Originally posted by: Tabb
So BOBDN, you think this guy really has that much knowledge on current affairs in Iraq?

He and others like him here don't care about facts. This is just another link to their hatred of the current President and anything they can come up with to shine a bad light on the US under Bush.

Kinda' like you folks did from '92 to 2000. Should have considered the consequences of your actions.

And I don't have to "come up with" anything to shine a bad light on Bush (notice I left out the US 'cause Bush isn't the US whether you believe it or not).

All we have to do is sit back. Bush will shine enough bad light on himself. He doesn't need any help.

 

BOBDN

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Originally posted by: alchemize
So easy to criticize, so difficult to offer solutions.

Oh, I have a solution.

Impeach Bush and his entire administration.

Have an honest election.

Go to the UN and ask for their assistance (with the knowledge Bush and his band of neo-con maniacs are gone the rest of the world just might help).

Rebuild Iraq and let the IRAQI PEOPLE decide their destiny.
 

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Originally posted by: Tabb
So BOBDN, you think this guy really has that much knowledge on current affairs in Iraq?

He and others like him here don't care about facts. This is just another link to their hatred of the current President and anything they can come up with to shine a bad light on the US under Bush.

Kinda' like you folks did from '92 to 2000. Should have considered the consequences of your actions.

And I don't have to "come up with" anything to shine a bad light on Bush (notice I left out the US 'cause Bush isn't the US whether you believe it or not).

All we have to do is sit back. Bush will shine enough bad light on himself. He doesn't need any help.

He doesnt need any help? So lets just not help the Americans because bush is president? I've also never stated anything about clinton the these forums, dont pin things on me I've never said.
 

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: RDWYTruckDriver
Originally posted by: Tabb
So BOBDN, you think this guy really has that much knowledge on current affairs in Iraq?

He and others like him here don't care about facts. This is just another link to their hatred of the current President and anything they can come up with to shine a bad light on the US under Bush.

Kinda' like you folks did from '92 to 2000. Should have considered the consequences of your actions.

And I don't have to "come up with" anything to shine a bad light on Bush (notice I left out the US 'cause Bush isn't the US whether you believe it or not).

All we have to do is sit back. Bush will shine enough bad light on himself. He doesn't need any help.

I thought Clinton was off limits to compare to? Hmm.....

CkG
 

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Originally posted by: BOBDN
Originally posted by: alchemize
So easy to criticize, so difficult to offer solutions.

Oh, I have a solution.

Impeach Bush and his entire administration.

Have an honest election.

Go to the UN and ask for their assistance (with the knowledge Bush and his band of neo-con maniacs are gone the rest of the world just might help).

Rebuild Iraq and let the IRAQI PEOPLE decide their destiny.

Wow - why don't you run for President? You could "out hate" Dean with you daily rantings. Heck, that's what the people want anyway right? A President who tells them everything that is currently wrong, and dwelling on them, right?

Well, maybe you aren't Presidential material, but I bet Dean still hasn't picked a hatingmate yet - give him a call.:D

CkG