Once Vista SP1 is out, can we get a new disc?

[Synomenon]

Once MS releases Vista SP1, can we order a new disc that has SP1 integrated into it already if we have a legitimate disc / license of Vista?

 

[Megatomic]

You'll probably be able to slipstream SP1 into the original build of Vista and then burn the updated image. That's how we did it in XP.

 

[Synomenon]

I used to do that to, but what I want to know is if you can purchase a new Vista disc (with the same version you have the license for) with SP1 already in it and at a lower price.

 

[themisfit610]

So wait - you want to pay MORE money for another copy of the disc ( not another license ), just so you can have SP1 on the disc?

And why would you do this instead of slipstreaming your own media?

~MiSfit

 

[Synomenon]

Maybe I just want an official disc with SP1 in it already?

 

[themisfit610]

Whatever floats your boat 🙂 If you want to pay extra money for a hologram, so be it! I never would, but to each his own!

 

[Synomenon]

Ok, so you don't have an answer to the orignal question?

 

[themisfit610]

Sorry - I don't. Best of luck obtaining new media. You may have to buy a new copy outright, but I'm really not sure. Microsoft would definitely be the place to ask..

 

[Megatomic]

IIRC, Microsoft would sell you a newly pressed CD (back in XP days), but I am confused as to why you'd need to do that when you can slipstream SP1 yourself and have exactly the same thing. 😕

 

[Synomenon]

What's with everyone's need to know why I want one? I just do.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

I quick search (3min) reveals that Vista SP1 might not be able to slipstream like Windows XP for SP2. According to him, you can't slipstream SP1 in the conventional way as XP.

http://www.winsupersite.com/sh...invista_sp1_inside.asp

So it with a sense of relief that I can now report that drag and drop slipstreaming--excuse me, offline updating--is still happening. It's just not happening in Vista SP1. "Vista Service Pack 1 will not be able to be applied as an offline update to prestaged install images," Zipkin told me. "But this will work as planned with future update, post-SP1 updates. We ran into some unexpected issues with the servicing stack, so we can't do it for SP1. But we're planning to add this capability for SP2, though we can't make any promises. This will be a bigger issue around SP2 than it is now. We think this is a one time thing. But you can still make your own slipstream DVD using the old '-integrate' method as with XP if you want to."

OK, on to other things.

With Windows Vista Service Pack 1, there are essentially three ways to get the bits. The simplest way, an integrated or slipstreamed DVD that includes Windows Vista with SP1, will ship in early 2008. So customers who buy boxed copies of the OS starting in early 2008 will simply get both in a combined package. The same thing applies to volume licensed versions of the OS and versions that ship with new PCs: Vista will simply be integrated with the SP1 updates and that will become the baseline Vista OS going forward.

The second method is aimed at consumers and small businesses: They can simply use Auto Updates to automatically download SP1. As with previous Microsoft service packs, it won't be automatically installed, however: Instead, users will see a prompt about the release and opt into the install. The download itself is (in the beta) and will be (in the final version) about 51-55 MB, depending on the system. (XP SP2 was 110 MB.) "It uses differential technology to decide what it needs to download," Zipkin explained. "It scans your system, looks at what you need, and then only downloads those files."

The third way is a standalone installer, and this is, perhaps, the final bit of controversy and misunderstanding with SP1 today. There are three scenarios for the standalone installer, which includes everything any customer will need to move from Vista RTM to Vista SP1: Corporations that need to roll out SP1 in volume, third party services (like Best Buy's Geek Squad) that need a mobile and offline updater, and users with no Internet access. The standalone installer, by necessity, is larger, but it includes all 36 languages currently supported by Vista and will work with any Vista disk. Right now, it weighs in at about 1 GB for the x86 version.

From Microsoft: http://windowsvistablog.com/bl...1-beta-whitepaper.aspx

Windows Vista SP1 will support the following delivery methods:

* Express. Requires an Internet connection but minimizes the size of the download by sending only the changes needed for a specific computer (approximately 50 MB for x86-based operating systems).
* Stand-alone. Recommended for computers with limited Internet connectivity and for applying the service pack to multiple computers. The download size is larger than the express package, but customers can apply a single package to any Windows Vista version and language combination (within a platform). Distribution tools like System Center Configuration Manager 2007 use stand-alone packages to deploy Windows Vista SP1.
* Slipstream. The slipstream version of Windows Vista SP1 is media that already contains the service pack, which companies can use to deploy the operating system to new computers or to upgrade existing computers. Availability will be limited. Microsoft will update Windows Vista retail media with Windows Vista SP1 slipstream media in the future. Slipstream media will also be available to Volume Licensing customers.

For express and stand-alone deployment methods, Microsoft recommends the following:

* Laptops must be plugged in to an AC power source.
* A minimum of 7 GB free disk space on the boot partition, which contains the Windows operating system files, for x86-based operating systems and a minimum of 12 GB free disk space for x64-based operating systems.
* The stand-alone deployment method requires administrative credentials.