On this date in 226 years ago

[IronWing]

the U.S. Constitution was adopted by the Constitutional Convention.

Good job guys!

 

[Anarchist420]

Fuck the u.s. Constitution!

 

[IronWing]

Fuck the u.s. Constitution!

Fifteen minutes, not bad, but a bit longer than expected.

 

[Lithium381]

Fifteen minutes, not bad, but a bit longer than expected.

that's what she said

 

[boomerang]

Now let's amend it using a Convention of States to rein in the power that the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches of government have accrued through manipulations of the system. Let's restore the power of government where it was intended to be, with the people.

 

[networkman]

Let's restore the power of government where it was intended to be, with the people.

Agreed!

 

[First]

Now let's amend it using a Convention of States to rein in the power that the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches of government have accrued through manipulations of the system. Let's restore the power of government where it was intended to be, with the people.

lol

 

[dphantom]

lol

and that is funny why?

 

[First]

and that is funny why?

boom boom is funny, that's all. Though it's entertaining to watch legal laymens pretend they know the intent and spirit of the Constitution to the point where they'd cite hotly debated 10th Amendment text about reserving rights to the states and people of the U.S. as if it were an open and shut case, especially without citing the corresponding Article VI supremacy clause regarding the supremacy of the federal gov't over the states and (thereby) the SCOTUS' vital role in deciding constitutionality the way the founding fathers intended. Smacks of ignorant, strict constructionist populist nonsense.

 

[boomerang]

and that is funny why?

First, understand that First really, really doesn't care for me. It goes way beyond the fact that unlike him, I'm not a progressive.

Secondly, understand that what he's doing is pure Alinsky tactics from Rules for Radicals which I've quoted below. Most of the time I just ignore him. Arguing with a progressive will never get you anywhere. It's a huge waste of energy. When a child tugs at your pants leg too often, you eventually learn to ignore it.

Always remember the first rule of power tactics: Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.
The second rule is: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The third rule is: Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.
The fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.
The fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.
The sixth rule is: A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.
The seventh rule is: A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
The eighth rule: Keep the pressure on.
The ninth rule: The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
The tenth rule: The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.
The eleventh rule is: If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.
The twelfth rule: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
The thirteenth rule: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

 

[First]

^ lol yikes. Conservative's clarion call for rhetorical help; Saul Alinsky.

 

[Vic Vega]

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[Sonikku]

Now if only the founding fathers had spelled out each individual private citizens right to own an AR-15 we wouldn't have so much trouble from the left that try to argue against us having them.

 

[IronWing]

and that is funny why?

The idea that anyone would even entertain the idea of a convening a Constitutional Convention given the current crop of politicians is pretty funny. Remember, as bad as the politicos in Washington are, they are the cream of the political crop. The state houses are filled with far worse.

 

[Zaap]

as bad as the politicos in Washington are, they are the cream of the political crop.

Actually, I'd say they're the worst of the worst.

Amending the Constitution has never been easy, but it's been done. Eventually, it'll have to be done again.

What's funny to me is the people most vocal against it, are the same clowns who trash the Constitution the most.

"Oh, that outdated thing?"

Well if it's so outdated, let's update it already.

"Sacrilege!!!"

 

[boomerang]

Actually, I'd say they're the worst of the worst.

Amending the Constitution has never been easy, but it's been done. Eventually, it'll have to be done again.

What's funny to me is the people most vocal against it, are the same clowns who trash the Constitution the most.

"Oh, that outdated thing?"

Well if it's so outdated, let's update it already.

"Sacrilege!!!"

Yup. Many find comfort in the status quo. Things may not be to their liking but change is too scary. We'd better find some common ground soon because we're swirling down the drain and Republicans and Democrats in DC aren't going to help anyone but themselves.

We rein them in or we're going to have some major change. Guess what? It's happening either way!

 

[werepossum]

Now let's amend it using a Convention of States to rein in the power that the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches of government have accrued through manipulations of the system. Let's restore the power of government where it was intended to be, with the people.

Um, have you actually spoken to "the people"? They're watching reality TV while waiting on Uncle Sugar's next teat drip.

 

[Zaap]

Um, have you actually spoken to "the people"? They're watching reality TV while waiting on Uncle Sugar's next teat drip.

"The people" on the whole have never been any more enlightened or above it all. The original revolution was highly unpopular amoung many of the colonists. Lincoln had to pull strings to free the slaves even with a civil war.

I'd wager at no time in history have the overwhelming majority of "the people" been more concerend about the big picture as they were about things just as vacuous as reality TV is today. That "the people" aren't all engaged simply isn't a good excuse for not trying to do things, never has been.

 

[Incorruptible]

If only the idiot politicians including obama would obey the Constitution but the progressive morons who refuse to obey it and want a double standard.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Now if only the founding fathers had spelled out each individual private citizens right to own an AR-15 we wouldn't have so much trouble from the left that try to argue against us having them.

You do realize an AR-15 functions no different than, say a ranch rifle right? That the only actual argument against a AR-15 is the one made by knee-jerk reactionaries who have created a false causation with the correlation of the market popularity of this semi-automatic rifle as compared to other rifles. Alongside the ignorance and false hype of information spewed by the MSM.

Edit: Then again you I could sarcastically ask why the founding fathers didn't state who exactly is deserving of freedom of the press and who exactly can be defined as the "press" (aka journalists) specifically and by whom in society. But never fear though Diana Feinstein and the gang of "progressives" are on the case with the "Media Shield Law" which when translated from the usual political doublespeak will accomplish the opposite of the title of the law itself.

 

[mammador]

Meh, as Bush said "it's just a goddamn piece of paper!"

 

[Matt1970]

that's what she said

ba dum tss

 

[exdeath]

Now if only the founding fathers had spelled out each individual private citizens right to own an AR-15 we wouldn't have so much trouble from the left that try to argue against us having them.

The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people.

Historical context that resulted in the 2A in the first place is pretty clear.

Those who choose to ignore it know that context well even while feigning ignorance; its the very reason they wish to abolish 2A.

 

[mammador]

Hmm.. yeah...

Laws are never interpreted to suit context. Damn that fucking purposive approach concept..

And morals, norms and values don't change either. Figures, it's unfair dammit that Jefferson could wear a tricorn and I can't. It's unfair he can own slaves and I can't. It's unfair that he could publicly write that x races are inferior and deserve to be property and I can't without being locked up.

 

[Oyeve]

Now let's amend it using a Convention of States to rein in the power that the Legislative, Executive and Judicial branches of government have accrued through manipulations of the system. Let's restore the power of government where it was intended to be, with the people.

Are you fucking retarded? People are too selfish and stupid to govern themselves. Thats why people created govt. in the first place.