On the upside...there may be a replacement plan for Obamacare

[vi edit]

On the downside Envoucher Patients First Act will leave the elderly high and dry with a $3,000 a year tax credit.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/heal...â€-tm-s-obamacare-replacement-plan/ar-AAkXhse

2018 midyear could be fun! Do they have the stones to attempt and apply this across the board to current Medicare eligible seniors?

 

[Moonbeam]

I believe they have the stones to do it, yes. Why would they not. It could only be stopped if the old, the sick, and the poor do something about it. Have they not all been trained to feel helpless, roll over, and play dead? Let me know if you see any signs of a real mass mobalization

 

[K1052]

Let them kill off the ACA/Medicare/Medicaid, privatize SS, and have Palin run the VA. The people have spoken. How dare I stand in the way of the fruits resulting from that decision.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Its could get weird. Historically Trump has been very vocal about a EU style single payer system to make is easier to understand and easier for business. I doubt Trump is going to like the idea of medicare not being able to negotiate drug prices either. One of the few things he hasn't been elusive about is everyone deserves care and we're not going to let people die in the street.
Things could get real weird if he goes single payer and he needs Dem support to do it.

 

[vi edit]

Its could get weird. Historically Trump has been very vocal about a EU style single payer system to make is easier to understand and easier for business. I doubt Trump is going to like the idea of medicare not being able to negotiate drug prices either. One of the few things he hasn't been elusive about is everyone deserves care and we're not going to let people die in the street.
Things could get real weird if he goes single payer and he needs Dem support to do it.

There's no way that is happening. Not with this appointment to head of DoH. The signal is loud and clear. Go get fucked and find your own insurance in the open market. Oh here's a $1,000-$3,000 tax credit to help bandaid that $10,000+ in annual premiums you'll now be paying.

 

[interchange]

On the downside Envoucher Patients First Act will leave the elderly high and dry with a $3,000 a year tax credit.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/healthcare/8-big-changes-under-tom-priceâ€-tm-s-obamacare-replacement-plan/ar-AAkXhse

2018 midyear could be fun! Do they have the stones to attempt and apply this across the board to current Medicare eligible seniors?

Am I missing something? I don't see anything there that says Medicare-eligible seniors wouldn't be able to enroll in Medicare.

It does say that patients 51 years or older who are currently covered under Obamacare could choose a $3000 tax-credit to help afford a private plan.

 

[vi edit]

Am I missing something? I don't see anything there that says Medicare-eligible seniors wouldn't be able to enroll in Medicare.

It does say that patients 51 years or older who are currently covered under Obamacare could choose a $3000 tax-credit to help afford a private plan.

That would be why I said "Do they have the stones to apply this across the board to current Medicare eligible seniors?". That's the GOP gravy train and millions of votes. Are they ballsy enough to drive a stake through the heart of Medicare and likewise their voting base?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There's no way that is happening. Not with this appointment to head of DoH. The signal is loud and clear. Go get fucked and find your own insurance in the open market. Oh here's a $1,000-$3,000 tax credit to help bandaid that $10,000+ in annual premiums you'll now be paying.

The word was could I'm not a Trump voter but the one thing he's been clear about is not allowing people to go without treatment. His intent may be to give tax breaks or allow out of state purchasing but those will likely fail or not have the expected outcome. I really don't think its insane to think a second term Trump could shake things up.

 

[theeedude]

Long term, it's becoming obvious that the only solution to the health care mess is Medicare for all. But it's all about forcing functions to get it done. And Republicans creating a health care system disaster will be such forcing function.

 

[highland145]

And don't let me deduct more than $8K of the $16.8K insurance premiums the ACA already fucked me with? Great. Fuck you, curious george and t.p.

 

[Pens1566]

Let them kill off the ACA/Medicare/Medicaid, privatize SS, and have Palin run the VA. The people have spoken. How dare I stand in the way of the fruits resulting from that decision.

Well, it'll be de facto death panels ...

 

[brycejones]

I find it amusing that a regular refrain from the right has been complaining the ACA was a give away to the insurance industry....

Proposals to replace the ACA and change medicaid and medicare all seem to focus steering people to.....

the insurance industry

 

[highland145]

It does say that patients 51 years or older who are currently covered under Obamacare could choose a $3000 tax-credit to help afford a private plan.

ACA in S.C., for a 60 y.o. couple + child, in my tax bracket is $2000/mo. Fucking hell.

 

[Thump553]

That's not a Trump plan, the article describes the nonstarter plan Price has been pushing for a couple of years without getting hardly even GOP legislators to support it. Hopefully wiser heads prevail and Trump stays away from this turkey of a plan.

My quick review of this proposal is that it is more of a giveaway to private insurers than a serious health plan. He takes away all public competition (little as it is), removes most of ACA's regulations on insurers and pays for it with a fixed tax credit. When premiums rise faster than this credit the consumers will bear the shortfall. It also looks like this plan would subsidize higher income persons who weren't entitled to subsidies under the ACA.

What worries me the most is that the GOP will repeal the ACA without a replacement plan in place, then blame the Dems when they won't support half-baked "solutions" such as this.

 

[vi edit]

ACA in S.C., for a 60 y.o. couple + child, in my tax bracket is $2000/mo. Fucking hell.

Yeah my Mom is in a bit of a panic. Both my parents turn 60 next year and Dad is set to retire. He's eligible for pension benefits but will have to cover insurance premiums out of pocket until they hit Medicare age. Mom just came off an 18 month run of breast cancer and is on life long meds to manage that. She's pretty much planning for about 50% of their retirement benefits going to insurance premiums.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yeah my Mom is in a bit of a panic. Both my parents turn 60 next year and Dad is set to retire. He's eligible for pension benefits but will have to cover insurance premiums out of pocket until they hit Medicare age. Mom just came off an 18 month run of breast cancer and is on life long meds to manage that. She's pretty much planning for about 50% of their retirement benefits going to insurance premiums.

Why don't they work part time somewhere doing something not challenging or simply what they want to do?

 

[highland145]

Yeah my Mom is in a bit of a panic. Both my parents turn 60 next year and Dad is set to retire. He's eligible for pension benefits but will have to cover insurance premiums out of pocket until they hit Medicare age. Mom just came off an 18 month run of breast cancer and is on life long meds to manage that. She's pretty much planning for about 50% of their retirement benefits going to insurance premiums.

Best of to your Mom.

Work your whole life, pay what the government says you owe and get fucked anyway. Don't hit a lick ever and you're covered.

 

[vi edit]

Why don't they work part time somewhere doing something not challenging or simply what they want to do?

My Mom actually retired and is now a lunch lady at a small private school. $9 an hour for 20 hours a week. Dad is looking to pick up hours though a bricklayer union to help offset some. The biggest part is losing his current insurance coverage which is pretty comprehensive and reasonable priced.

 

[interchange]

That would be why I said "Do they have the stones to apply this across the board to current Medicare eligible seniors?". That's the GOP gravy train and millions of votes. Are they ballsy enough to drive a stake through the heart of Medicare and likewise their voting base?

OK. I guess I mistook your meaning.

And the answer is no. Killing Medicare like that would be like dropping an atomic bomb on Syria.

 

[Jhhnn]

ACA in S.C., for a 60 y.o. couple + child, in my tax bracket is $2000/mo. Fucking hell.

Your tax bracket is obviously north of $95K/yr. An individual plan with the same coverage would likely cost more.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

My Mom actually retired and is now a lunch lady at a small private school. $9 an hour for 20 hours a week. Dad is looking to pick up hours though a bricklayer union to help offset some. The biggest part is losing his current insurance coverage which is pretty comprehensive and reasonable priced.

Is like a Target or even a Walmart around? PT will still get healthcare. I realize its not what they want to do but it may be a better option for a few years.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I'd rather that President Trump starts with a clean slate. Repeal Obamacare and then figure out where we go from there. The idea that you need to patch/repair/fix/rerig such a stinking pile of legislative offal is pretty repugnant.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'd rather that President Trump starts with a clean slate. Repeal Obamacare and then figure out where we go from there. The idea that you need to patch/repair/fix/rerig such a stinking pile of legislative offal is pretty repugnant.

Um no, I'd prefer having a plan first. Ideally a fully outlined concrete plan that will definitely pass Congress.

 

[highland145]

Beats passing it to find out what's in it.

 

[jeff_in_MD]

The word was could I'm not a Trump voter but the one thing he's been clear about is not allowing people to go without treatment. His intent may be to give tax breaks or allow out of state purchasing but those will likely fail or not have the expected outcome. I really don't think its insane to think a second term Trump could shake things up.

Anything could happen, doesn't mean that it's likely to happen.

One thing about buying Insurance across state lines is which state regulations are they going to follow. The ones of the state where the insurance company resides or the state where I live? And would they have to be licensed in each state they do business.

The other thing is that insurance companies negotiate with the hospitals, doctors, and so on what they reimburse them for the services they offer I assume they will still have to. Will the companies be required to sell across state lines and will the doctors be required to accept the insurance?