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On the Sixth Day, God Made the Dinosaurs

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There are nuts on both sides. Those who teach their kids that the Earth was created in 7 days, and others who want to take children away from loving parents due to relatively petty philosophical differences.

People who say that teaching children creationism is abuse have little experience with what the word really means.
 
Paul98 said:
But I thought you were trying to make the point that it was giving information that wasn't known? What was the reason that they were brought up if it's just examples of common knowledge that is in the bible?
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Well, if you read my initial reply to wolfe, I was really pointing out the usefulness of it for many people... and some practicality.

You seem to be implying that since it mentions things that are "common", what's the point of reading it?

Well, why do restuarant owners put "All employess must wash hands before returning to work" signs on restroom doors and on the top of soap dispensers? Should we tell them: "Hey, this is common knowlegde so why keep putting these silly signs everywhere... we already know this"!!

People forget, ignore, etc... so these reminders are necessary. Sure, there are plenty of things people see wrong or controversal/contradictory in the Bible, but that doesn't deminish the many practical, everyday things I appreciate in it, and millions of other people do as well.
 
Rob M. said:
Well, why do restuarant owners put "All employess must wash hands before returning to work" signs on restroom doors and on the top of soap dispensers? Should we tell them: "Hey, this is common knowlegde so why keep putting these silly signs everywhere... we already know this"!!
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Until the government requires toilet police for workers, these signs limit the liability the restaurant could experience should a worker be caught walking out without washing.

The restaurant by posting signs in such areas is held more or less immune from tidy bowl lawsuits.
 
Rob M. said:
Well, if you read my initial reply to wolfe, I was really pointing out the usefulness of it for many people... and some practicality.

You seem to be implying that since it mentions things that are "common", what's the point of reading it?

Well, why do restuarant owners put "All employess must wash hands before returning to work" signs on restroom doors and on the top of soap dispensers? Should we tell them: "Hey, this is common knowlegde so why keep putting these silly signs everywhere... we already know this"!!

People forget, ignore, etc... so these reminders are necessary. Sure, there are plenty of things people see wrong or controversal/contradictory in the Bible, but that doesn't deminish the many practical, everyday things I appreciate in it, and millions of other people do as well.
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So how does that make the bible special? It gives some common sense answers that people knew about back then? I am sure it also gives nonsense advice that we know better about today. Especially when the discussion was about science giving evidence and supported, That's where the bible got those things they knew that it was helpful so they put it in. It wasn't something divine that wasn't known beforehand.
 
My point is is that there is a God and He doesn't create something from nothing(except the big bang),He builds upon what He has already created reusing the good parts. This is evident in Genesis when He caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep (anesthesia) and took the DNA from his rib to create Eve.
Think about it if mutations are what causes new species to appear then what keeps them passing on their DNA? Animals will not tolerate one who is different from the rest. There's got to be something helping them to survive and that is the Mind of God.
 
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Onceler said:
My point is is that there is a God and He doesn't create something from nothing(except the big bang),He builds upon what He has already created reusing the good parts. This is evident in Genesis when He caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep (anesthesia) and took the DNA from his rib to create Eve.
Think about it if mutations are what causes new species to appear then what keeps them passing on their DNA? Animals will not tolerate one who is different from the rest. There's got to be something helping them to survive and that is the Mind of God.
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We are all different from the rest.
 
Onceler said:
My point is is that there is a God and He doesn't create something from nothing(except the big bang),He builds upon what He has already created reusing the good parts. This is evident in Genesis when He caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep (anesthesia) and took the DNA from his rib to create Eve.
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Do you have any evidence to support this?


Think about it if mutations are what causes new species to appear then what keeps them passing on their DNA? Animals will not tolerate one who is different from the rest. There's got to be something helping them to survive and that is the Mind of God.
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They do pass on their DNA mutations this is what creates new species and the differences within species. Animals do tolerate differences this has nothing to do with god, there vast variation between animals and they have no problem with the differences. You have very different animals being able to become friends even if they aren't the same species. Like having a duck and dog being friends and running around together.
 
Onceler said:
My point is is that there is a God and He doesn't create something from nothing(except the big bang),He builds upon what He has already created reusing the good parts. This is evident in Genesis when He caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep (anesthesia) and took the DNA from his rib to create Eve.
Think about it if mutations are what causes new species to appear then what keeps them passing on their DNA? Animals will not tolerate one who is different from the rest. There's got to be something helping them to survive and that is the Mind of God.
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lol...
 
Onceler said:
My point is is that there is a God and He doesn't create something from nothing(except the big bang),He builds upon what He has already created reusing the good parts. This is evident in Genesis when He caused Adam to fall into a deep sleep (anesthesia) and took the DNA from his rib to create Eve.
Think about it if mutations are what causes new species to appear then what keeps them passing on their DNA? Animals will not tolerate one who is different from the rest. There's got to be something helping them to survive and that is the Mind of God.
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These kinds of posts and this kind of thinking is what's wrong with organized religion. You are taking an ancient creation myth and despite all the progress we've made in the last 2,800 years you're propagating this kind of nonsense as something modern that fits today's science. It doesn't. You need to read up on what a creation myth is and then try to come to your senses and not make "points" that are based upon them in a world that has evolved quite a bit since Genesis was written.
 
randomrogue said:
These kinds of posts and this kind of thinking is what's wrong with organized religion. You are taking an ancient creation myth and despite all the progress we've made in the last 2,800 years you're propagating this kind of nonsense as something modern that fits today's science. It doesn't. You need to read up on what a creation myth is and then try to come to your senses and not make "points" that are based upon them in a world that has evolved quite a bit since Genesis was written.
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The book of Genesis is not literal, I don't believe it and no one else should either. I was just making the point to the religious nutjobs out there that even God does not create out of nothing when there is already something He can alter to fit His purpose.
 
Onceler said:
The book of Genesis is not literal, I don't believe it and no one else should either. I was just making the point to the religious nutjobs out there that even God does not create out of nothing when there is already something He can alter to fit His purpose.
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Do you have proof that got alters anything? How about proof that god even exists in the first place?
 
Craig234 said:
Well just my opinon it comes across as insulting and doesn't add to the discussion.

Can you make a better argument for your position than lol?
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Sure. Gonna? "Hell" no...

I found his comment amusing, and posted as such.

edit: Oh yea, this thread is in the discussion club, now I see why someone's panties are getting all up in there. I'll try to refrain from typing lol around here. 😀
 
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randomrogue said:
These kinds of posts and this kind of thinking is what's wrong with organized religion. You are taking an ancient creation myth and despite all the progress we've made in the last 2,800 years you're propagating this kind of nonsense as something modern that fits today's science. It doesn't. You need to read up on what a creation myth is and then try to come to your senses and not make "points" that are based upon them in a world that has evolved quite a bit since Genesis was written.
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What makes it a myth, in your opinion?

Lets break a little of it down here:

It states: "In the beginning, God..", etc. Well, science discovered the world had a beginning. The account, on this front, agrees with science.

Secondly, Adam and Eve where noted as being human. We're born from other humans. Nothing mythical about that... unless you have some evidence humans don't have to come from other humans. Wether or not you believe they were real or not doesn't make it untrue.

Additionally, it says Adam was created from the "dust of the ground". How many times have I heard scientists say something similar..."we're from star dust"... or in other words, material that make up stars which preceded humans. Similarly, they [Adam and Eve] were derived from pre-existing material.

Eve was created from Adam's rib. Well, can humans close sheep using "preexisting biological material"? Why can't God? Yes... and ribs have been used in reconstructive surgery as well because of its healing properties. A rib consisted of material from the first human which had what was needed to create another human.

Third, the six creative days were not specified as far as length is concerned. Think of sayings such as "in my father's day"... which doesn't mean your father lived 24 hours. Creationists have done the worst damage with this false claim.

The creation account has everything visibile and testable by modern science (i.e sunlight, water, clouds/expanse, human beings, animal and plant life,) and it even says the early earth was "formless and waste". Science has mentioned similar early earth theories. God is the only component not testable by science.
 
Rob M. said:
What makes it a myth, in your opinion?

Lets break a little of it down here:
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This is a lot like saying 'what makes sleeping beauty a myth?' We know there are beautiful women. We know there are spindles. We know there are poison. We know people sleep. We know there are princes. We know that at least some of them are charming. Only the magic is not testable by science.
 
SMOGZINN said:
This is a lot like saying 'what makes sleeping beauty a myth?' We know there are beautiful women. We know there are spindles. We know there are poison. We know people sleep. We know there are princes. We know that at least some of them are charming. Only the magic is not testable by science.
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:thumbsup:
 
Rob, ignoring the actual subject matter for the moment -- do you really believe that being able to point to a few elements out of a very long story proves that the story isn't a myth? Do you not realize that what you did could be done just as easily with the beliefs of every religion that has ever existed, nearly all of which contradict yours?
 
SMOGZINN said:
This is a lot like saying 'what makes sleeping beauty a myth?' We know there are beautiful women. We know there are spindles. We know there are poison. We know people sleep. We know there are princes. We know that at least some of them are charming. Only the magic is not testable by science.
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Ah ha, yet no one ever made any realistic claims about it. The difference is, that there's no mythical aspects about the creation account. The entire SB story was total myth.

If you find anything mythical about the creation account, stuff you can prove a myth, feel free to share it.
 
Charles Kozierok said:
Rob, ignoring the actual subject matter for the moment -- do you really believe that being able to point to a few elements out of a very long story proves that the story isn't a myth? Do you not realize that what you did could be done just as easily with the beliefs of every religion that has ever existed, nearly all of which contradict yours?
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We're taking about the Bible, or another religious text?

If your not going counterpoint me on what I am writing, I will repsectfully leave the thread.

If you're going to run circles and moan about what another religion teaches, we can end this right now -- just let me know, Chuck.
 
Rob M. said:
Ah ha, yet no one ever made any realistic claims about it. The difference is, that there's no mythical aspects about the creation account. The entire SB story was total myth.

If you find anything mythical about the creation account, stuff you can prove a myth, feel free to share it.
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Creationism is a myth, it has been proven, see the theory of evolution. Round and round we go, again.
 
Rob M. said:
We're taking about the Bible, or another religious text?

If your not going counterpoint me on what I am writing, I will repsectfully leave the thread.

If you're going to run circles and moan about what another religion teaches, we can end this right now -- just let me know, Chuck.
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I asked you two questions, simply and politely. You've answered neither, and now are addressing me with a diminutive.

I was not asking about the Bible. I was trying to understand your reasoning.

If you can't answer simple questions that are posted to you, then yes, you should leave the thread.
 
Charles Kozierok said:
I asked you two questions, simply and politely. You've answered neither, and now are addressing me with a diminutive.

I was not asking about the Bible. I was trying to understand your reasoning.

If you can't answer simple questions that are posted to you, then yes, you should leave the thread.
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I apologize for coming off this way, really... I do.

But it sounds as if you want to go: "[insert religion here] has a creation account too", and I'm not playing that game anymore. It's nothing more than a ploy to take the attention from your providing evidence to substantiate your claim that what I believe is mythological.

Sure, you can provide evidence that [insert religion's account here] has been proven false, but what that has to do with me and my beliefs? Proving one person wrong means all of them are?

If "x" is true for A, B, and C... then it must be true for D thru Z?
 
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