On The Road To Socialism? We've Arrived!

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Every couple years I hear how the military is socialism. I'm not even sure what that means...

Then you're like most people on this board.

One of life's big mysteries I suppose... I guess we'll never find out

Well, you may be confused at what Socialism is, it regardless of what Rush says is NOT high taxes/dictatorships/some fantasy robin hood wealth redistribution
What the military DOES supply to it's "workers" is a total welfare state:
1. Free Healthcare
2. Free Housing
3. Free Food (or subsidized in mess halls)
4. Free Transportation on base
5. Free training
6. Govt. picks your job -but you are ALWAYS employed

Need any more examples?

I've long thought about how the military is the opposite in so many ways of American principles for the way of life we want for citizens:

It's a massive government program paid for by taxes. The people who enlist are put under a strict authoritarian regime. They are subjected to invasive conditioning to make them reliably obedient to the military authority. They are put into government housing (low quality) where the government wants them, they wear government uniforms, they eat what the government feeds them, they listen in many cases to what the government wants them to hear for 'entertainment', they are forced to risk their lives and be away from friends and family, they can be ordered to kill people whether they agree or not, i.e., to murder in some cases, among other things that 'free Americans' would find horrible.

The justification has always been that it's needed to make the sacrifices to protect the country, but that's been a hollow 'cover story' for a very long time given the nature of wars we've been in for a long time (see Gen. Smedly Butler's book 'War is a Racket' for examples nearly a century back). Recently the justification has included that it's a 'volunteer military', suggesting that removes any issue with the situation.

It's pretty ironic to have the least free 'fighitng for the freedom' (supposedly) of the rest.

And yes, while not exactly socialist - socialism is a lot more positive - it is largely one huge socialist activity.

I sure recommend to people not to join unless and untl there's actually a clear and present danger creating a need.

Of course I recognize it's a lot more, too - a huge business among other things, with plenty of 'opportunity' for gain.

It doesn't seem that complicated to me. All through history peoples have been subjugated when the enemies forces were superior.
The way it would seem to be able to prevent this is to keep your forces superior.
Ie.. the old cliche, " Freedom through Strength"
Hitler Rolled accross Europe, barely blinking his eyes because Europe was and is now unprepared.
I think we could reduce our military if Europe ever shouldered the responsability for its own defense. I would like to see that day come.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Every couple years I hear how the military is socialism. I'm not even sure what that means...

Then you're like most people on this board.

One of life's big mysteries I suppose... I guess we'll never find out

Well, you may be confused at what Socialism is, it regardless of what Rush says is NOT high taxes/dictatorships/some fantasy robin hood wealth redistribution
What the military DOES supply to it's "workers" is a total welfare state:
1. Free Healthcare
2. Free Housing
3. Free Food (or subsidized in mess halls)
4. Free Transportation on base
5. Free training
6. Govt. picks your job -but you are ALWAYS employed

Need any more examples?

So we are in agreement that the military is not socialism. Gosh, maybe someone can explain why it is...

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Every couple years I hear how the military is socialism. I'm not even sure what that means...

Then you're like most people on this board.

One of life's big mysteries I suppose... I guess we'll never find out

Well, you may be confused at what Socialism is, it regardless of what Rush says is NOT high taxes/dictatorships/some fantasy robin hood wealth redistribution
What the military DOES supply to it's "workers" is a total welfare state:
1. Free Healthcare
2. Free Housing
3. Free Food (or subsidized in mess halls)
4. Free Transportation on base
5. Free training
6. Govt. picks your job -but you are ALWAYS employed

Need any more examples?

Exactly, it makes everyone equal which is why Obama is taking us headlong in that direction.

Obama realizes that our poor, in particular minorities, are not pulling themselves out of the gutter and won?t. Yet he is obsessed with putting them on an even plain with ?Whitey?. This leaves him with only one way to achieve this goal and that is to drag the middle and upper class down to a level with everyone else by implementing Socialism.

I absolutely do not believe doing it for the betterment of the country; no he is doing it because he out to destroy the predominantly white powerbase in this country in order to make everyone equal.

Unfortunately I believe he will succeed because of the current state of our society;

I remember reading an article a while back, can?t find the link right now, anyway, it was about a study on rising socialist tendencies in America.

It is due in large part to the fact that there are so many single parents raising children now, and the makeup is by far more mothers than fathers. Many of these children tend to not get the adult male perspective and influence growing up, or very little, instead learn almost solely from the female. As a result society is gaining an exponentially increasing number of care giver, coddler?s types who lean toward socialism instead of protector, hunter types that do not.

The study suggested that the missing male influence affects males far more than females, and that in a nut shell males raised my single mothers with little or no routine adult male influence basically never learn how to be a man.

This growing population of she-men will allow us to become a nation of sheep.

 

[davestar]

Originally posted by: Socio
Exactly, it makes everyone equal which is why Obama is taking us headlong in that direction.

Obama realizes that our poor, in particular minorities, are not pulling themselves out of the gutter and won?t. Yet he is obsessed with putting them on an even plain with ?Whitey?. This leaves him with only one way to achieve this goal and that is to drag the middle and upper class down to a level with everyone else by implementing Socialism.

I absolutely do not believe doing it for the betterment of the country; no he is doing it because he out to destroy the predominantly white powerbase in this country in order to make everyone equal.

Unfortunately I believe he will succeed because of the current state of our society;

I remember reading an article a while back, can?t find the link right now, anyway, it was about a study on rising socialist tendencies in America.

It is due in large part to the fact that there are so many single parents raising children now, and the makeup is by far more mothers than fathers. Many of these children tend to not get the adult male perspective and influence growing up, or very little, instead learn almost solely from the female. As a result society is gaining an exponentially increasing number of care giver, coddler?s types who lean toward socialism instead of protector, hunter types that do not.

The study suggested that the missing male influence affects males far more than females, and that in a nut shell males raised my single mothers with little or no routine adult male influence basically never learn how to be a man.

This growing population of she-men will allow us to become a nation of sheep.

With shit like this, Socio is definitely my new favorite P&N poster.

 

[BigDH01]

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: Socio
Exactly, it makes everyone equal which is why Obama is taking us headlong in that direction.

Obama realizes that our poor, in particular minorities, are not pulling themselves out of the gutter and won?t. Yet he is obsessed with putting them on an even plain with ?Whitey?. This leaves him with only one way to achieve this goal and that is to drag the middle and upper class down to a level with everyone else by implementing Socialism.

I absolutely do not believe doing it for the betterment of the country; no he is doing it because he out to destroy the predominantly white powerbase in this country in order to make everyone equal.

Unfortunately I believe he will succeed because of the current state of our society;

I remember reading an article a while back, can?t find the link right now, anyway, it was about a study on rising socialist tendencies in America.

It is due in large part to the fact that there are so many single parents raising children now, and the makeup is by far more mothers than fathers. Many of these children tend to not get the adult male perspective and influence growing up, or very little, instead learn almost solely from the female. As a result society is gaining an exponentially increasing number of care giver, coddler?s types who lean toward socialism instead of protector, hunter types that do not.

The study suggested that the missing male influence affects males far more than females, and that in a nut shell males raised my single mothers with little or no routine adult male influence basically never learn how to be a man.

This growing population of she-men will allow us to become a nation of sheep.

With shit like this, Socio is definitely my new favorite P&N poster.

I thought you were serious until I looked at your post history.

I, myself, had an interesting later childhood. As soon as I turned 18, my father bailed as he supposed his duty to his family had been obligated. I didn't get coddled, I had to mature greatly overnight. I had to take care of all the household chores and bills that he left behind. I'm the one who stayed in nights to take care of a mother who started to feel her life wasn't worth anything. I'm the one that had to worry about her when I went off to college. I have many friends who had to learn at a very young age they had to be the protector and hunter types.

I imagine for as many stories here you could find of a single mother coddling her children, you'd find an equal or greater number who had to assume responsibilities beyond their age. I would like to see your study.

Also, the dominant power base in this country does not exercise control with its race, it exercises its control with its money and position. I would consider Obama to be a part of that group and I would not consider him to be "whitey."

 

[Nemesis 1]

I love the dems. There so social.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...DNFfaA&feature=related

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: BigDH01
I, myself, had an interesting later childhood. As soon as I turned 18, my father bailed as he supposed his duty to his family had been obligated. I didn't get coddled, I had to mature greatly overnight. I had to take care of all the household chores and bills that he left behind. I'm the one who stayed in nights to take care of a mother who started to feel her life wasn't worth anything. I'm the one that had to worry about her when I went off to college. I have many friends who had to learn at a very young age they had to be the protector and hunter types.

I imagine for as many stories here you could find of a single mother coddling her children, you'd find an equal or greater number who had to assume responsibilities beyond their age. I would like to see your study.

I find that hard to believe the number is even close to equal, let alone greater. where are all of these "children with responsibilities" you speak of? Sounds to me like you had it easy growing up, and then when you became an adult at 18 you were forced to, well...be an adult.

All of the sudden at 18 it's a shock that you have actual responsibilities? Oh no, you had to pay bills and do chores? THE HORROR. If you're old enough to choose our next president and the ideas his election and policies represents, then shouldn't you be old enough to handle some of the other adult responsibilities that life throws at you?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Boy its going to get real interesting. If we go to war against Mexico. Well have to do something about all the hispanics here.

This shit is happening all over the world. Riots everywhere. I am so happy I was crazy and built that shelter for my family. It cost alot. But now I see the value of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...3TOfBw&feature=related

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: Socio
Exactly, it makes everyone equal which is why Obama is taking us headlong in that direction.

Obama realizes that our poor, in particular minorities, are not pulling themselves out of the gutter and won?t. Yet he is obsessed with putting them on an even plain with ?Whitey?. This leaves him with only one way to achieve this goal and that is to drag the middle and upper class down to a level with everyone else by implementing Socialism.

I absolutely do not believe doing it for the betterment of the country; no he is doing it because he out to destroy the predominantly white powerbase in this country in order to make everyone equal.

Unfortunately I believe he will succeed because of the current state of our society;

I remember reading an article a while back, can?t find the link right now, anyway, it was about a study on rising socialist tendencies in America.

It is due in large part to the fact that there are so many single parents raising children now, and the makeup is by far more mothers than fathers. Many of these children tend to not get the adult male perspective and influence growing up, or very little, instead learn almost solely from the female. As a result society is gaining an exponentially increasing number of care giver, coddler?s types who lean toward socialism instead of protector, hunter types that do not.

The study suggested that the missing male influence affects males far more than females, and that in a nut shell males raised my single mothers with little or no routine adult male influence basically never learn how to be a man.

This growing population of she-men will allow us to become a nation of sheep.

With shit like this, Socio is definitely my new favorite P&N poster.

I thought you were serious until I looked at your post history.

I, myself, had an interesting later childhood. As soon as I turned 18, my father bailed as he supposed his duty to his family had been obligated. I didn't get coddled, I had to mature greatly overnight. I had to take care of all the household chores and bills that he left behind. I'm the one who stayed in nights to take care of a mother who started to feel her life wasn't worth anything. I'm the one that had to worry about her when I went off to college. I have many friends who had to learn at a very young age they had to be the protector and hunter types.

I imagine for as many stories here you could find of a single mother coddling her children, you'd find an equal or greater number who had to assume responsibilities beyond their age. I would like to see your study.

Also, the dominant power base in this country does not exercise control with its race, it exercises its control with its money and position. I would consider Obama to be a part of that group and I would not consider him to be "whitey."

Sounds like a statement he might of picked up on Savage nation:laugh: I listen to Savage for entertainment occasionaly.
Your pop hung around for 18 years? count yourself lucky ,or not ,depends on the man I guess?

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: davestar

Originally posted by: Socio
Exactly, it makes everyone equal which is why Obama is taking us headlong in that direction.

Obama realizes that our poor, in particular minorities, are not pulling themselves out of the gutter and won?t. Yet he is obsessed with putting them on an even plain with ?Whitey?. This leaves him with only one way to achieve this goal and that is to drag the middle and upper class down to a level with everyone else by implementing Socialism.

I absolutely do not believe doing it for the betterment of the country; no he is doing it because he out to destroy the predominantly white powerbase in this country in order to make everyone equal.

Unfortunately I believe he will succeed because of the current state of our society;

I remember reading an article a while back, can?t find the link right now, anyway, it was about a study on rising socialist tendencies in America.

It is due in large part to the fact that there are so many single parents raising children now, and the makeup is by far more mothers than fathers. Many of these children tend to not get the adult male perspective and influence growing up, or very little, instead learn almost solely from the female. As a result society is gaining an exponentially increasing number of care giver, coddler?s types who lean toward socialism instead of protector, hunter types that do not.

The study suggested that the missing male influence affects males far more than females, and that in a nut shell males raised my single mothers with little or no routine adult male influence basically never learn how to be a man.

This growing population of she-men will allow us to become a nation of sheep.

With shit like this, Socio is definitely my new favorite P&N poster.

I thought you were serious until I looked at your post history.

I, myself, had an interesting later childhood. As soon as I turned 18, my father bailed as he supposed his duty to his family had been obligated. I didn't get coddled, I had to mature greatly overnight. I had to take care of all the household chores and bills that he left behind. I'm the one who stayed in nights to take care of a mother who started to feel her life wasn't worth anything. I'm the one that had to worry about her when I went off to college. I have many friends who had to learn at a very young age they had to be the protector and hunter types.

I imagine for as many stories here you could find of a single mother coddling her children, you'd find an equal or greater number who had to assume responsibilities beyond their age. I would like to see your study.

Also, the dominant power base in this country does not exercise control with its race, it exercises its control with its money and position. I would consider Obama to be a part of that group and I would not consider him to be "whitey."

True, but it is also true that it is predominantly White and it is something Rev Wright eluded to in some of his speeches if memory serves, it is something minorities, particularly Blacks cannot stand, it is something Obama wants to abolish.

Therefore it is my belief Obama is not doing what he is doing for the love of the country rather for his deep seeded hatred of the White man.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Socio
it is my belief Obama is not doing what he is doing for the love of the country rather for his deep seeded hatred of the White man.

I think you believe what you do because of your deep seated hatred of anybody who is not white.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Socio
True, but it is also true that it is predominantly White and it is something Rev Wright eluded to in some of his speeches if memory serves, it is something minorities, particularly Blacks cannot stand, it is something Obama wants to abolish.

Therefore it is my belief Obama is not doing what he is doing for the love of the country rather for his deep seeded hatred of the White man.

You need help.

 

[SP33Demon]

Socialism is the latest buzzword propagated by the extreme right to get others to listen to their irrelevant "ideas" out of fear. Most of the people don't know what it means (other than the gov taking complete control of their lives) but are scared of it. All things considered, we are nowhere near socialism. While some aspects of our economy may exhibit traits of socialism, perpetuating this myth that we will/have become socialist by the extreme right (or people who just flat out don't like Obama) is a popular pastime atm. Extremists from the right and left only use these buzzwords (right: socialism, left: fascism) so you will listen to them. Don't fall for it.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio
it is my belief Obama is not doing what he is doing for the love of the country rather for his deep seeded hatred of the White man.

I think you believe what you do because of your deep seated hatred of anybody who is not white.

No I believe what I believe because I am not afraid to look reality in the eyes and accept it for what it is.

Fact: Socialism would destroy predominantly White power base in the US and force everyone to be equal.

Fact: Obama is heading us down the road to Socialism as fast as he can.

2+2=4

You can pretend it equals 3 or 5 all you want but 4 is the answer.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Stop with the Rep vs. Dem hate here please. First neither canidate had the solution or understood the size of the problem . Only 1 canidate had a clue. The Media and many here laughed at RON PAUL , But right now RON PAUL is looking pretty freaken good. He understood the size and nature of the beast.

Many here went higher learning or are in process. Look if your an idiot save your money. Because an idiot with a piece of paper denying your an idiot is more dangerious than a gun in hands of child. (BUSH ) Idiot with power. He had a degree also LOL. This ass hasn't got 8th grade education. In my time.

You guys make smart guesses LOL. That you learned from higher learning programm thats designed to decieve.

You guys set an argue about bush. Without looking at history. Neither Bushes were republicans. Check history. Everthing the bushes have dine is Dem . History. Check it . Don't shoot off mouth without looking at facts . Since Carter Raegon was the only republican president . By party standards.


Obama is a complete an utter puppet and I wish him and the people behind him get what they so richly deserve. I personelly wouldn't waste rope un any leaders after Ronney. There not worth the value of the rope or price of a bullet. Pure puppet scum .


REpublicans do not start wars. THey end them . History check it. The deca\eption of social dems is far reaching. The Rep. party has even fallen to it. Ron Paul was the only true republican running. The Media and DEMS on both sides laughed him off the platform.

We really should look at what paul stand for. Befor passing judgement. Had he been a better statesmen and gifted at using contrary speach . Things would be much better now. s it is Paul isn't a gifted talker. But right now he is the only one we can trust. Its not to late. Remember that this summer. When fear grips your soul. Its still not to late. Must act soon tho.

 

[RKDaley]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio
it is my belief Obama is not doing what he is doing for the love of the country rather for his deep seeded hatred of the White man.

I think you believe what you do because of your deep seated hatred of anybody who is not white.

I agree. Socio seems to be obsessed with 'whitey' and seems to mention race in almost every post he makes. The others he tends to bring up homosexuality.
I think he's projecting.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: Socio

Therefore it is my belief Obama is not doing what he is doing for the love of the country rather for his deep seeded hatred of the White man.

you need help...

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

I think he's channeling Michael "Weiner" Savage.

Yet another guy obsessed with teh gayz.

But then I think most of the time Savage is just being funny and doesn't really believe half the crap he spews. Knowing full well there is a large enough group of people out there who believe this stuff, he keeps doing it anyway.

S&M

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BigDH01

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: wwswimming

Originally posted by: Genx87
I wouldnt say hardcore socialist but we are fast approaching European style socialism. We couldnt even make it into the EU if we applied with our appalling double digit deficit spending.

actually, some parts of the government are quite hardcore socialist.

they LOVE big government spending programs.

the Pentagon, for instance.

just don't call it socialism - it's bad for your career.

Defense is a legitimate function of govt. Also I dont view it as socialism because what production does the pentagon control witihn the armed forces? Most if not all actual production for the armed forces is conducted via private industry. At worst it could be considered a fascist model.

It is a state function that has to be controlled by the state. Just because it is state controlled doesnt make it socialist.

I don't understand the logic on these forums. I see all the time that Conservatives claim that redistributing wealth in Socialist. The redistribution under Obama is basically letting the Bush cuts expire and giving income tax credits to the working class (people get tax breaks on earned income, it's not welfare). This is basically taking slightly more from the wealthy and giving slightly more to the working poor. Many people here call that Socialism. When the government taxes people to pay infantry who are predominantly high school educated workers, we call that a legitimate function of government. I don't understand. What's the difference between taxing someone to give the working poor tax credits and taxing someone to give the oft less-educated working grunts a paycheck? Why is one Socialism and the other not? People have to work in either case.

We recieve a service from those grunts in our armed forces. Why would you consider that welfare? What do people who pay no federal income taxes getting 500 dollars for working provide for the govt?

Also havent you ever read our constitution? Preamble spells out the govt is to "provide for the common defence"

I am sure you will counter with the next line which says it is also to "promote the general welfare". But as you will notice promote is not the same as provide.

I further don't understand why defense has to be controlled by the state. Does Blackwater not dispute this? Is it not possible for the government to pay private contractors for wars won? If so, why isn't this massive state war machine a Socialist concept? Couldn't the private sector do it more efficiently?

Because the state was given these rights in our constitution.

I guess I'm not understanding: why the double standard? I've rarely seen a Conservative on these boards claim the government can do something better than the private sector, why shouldn't this apply to fighting wars? There are obviously companies out there willing to do it. Wouldn't that make this industry one that is needlessly government owned? And if we really define Socialism as taxing the rich and giving tax credits to the poor, why is taking money from the rich and directly employing the poor not also Socialism? Does the difference lie merely between the distinction of credit and direct employment? If so, would Conservatives on this board feel better if the poor who are receiving tax credits were directly employed by the government in some sort of labor army?

I dont understand the confusion. Protection of our borders, citizens, and of the state are an essential and in many cases the essential service of the state. To carry this out the state is granted the right to raise an army.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Socio
it is my belief Obama is not doing what he is doing for the love of the country rather for his deep seeded hatred of the White man.

I think you believe what you do because of your deep seated hatred of anybody who is not white.

No I believe what I believe because I am not afraid to look reality in the eyes and accept it for what it is.

Dude you are suppose to cut holes in the sheet for your eyes so you can actually see.

 

[StageLeft]

Therefore it is my belief Obama is not doing what he is doing for the love of the country rather for his deep seeded hatred of the White man.

FAIL

FACT: Obama has a deep-seated hatred of females named Patricia and Alexandra. These ladies, to a gross proportion, disproportionately are represented in the upper and elite classes and this entire thing he's doing is to attack them and solely them. Through a crippling of their net worth and creature comforts he seeks destruction on the joy and feelings of self-worth by all Patricias and Alexandras. I can't believe some people have not seen this yet.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: Socio
Fact: Socialism would destroy predominantly White power base in the US and force everyone to be equal.

whats wrong with making every one equal?

believe or not, other than the color of our skin, our bodies are already structurally equal.

also, whats your defination of "white" ? is 1/16th white considered "white" to you? how about 15/16th?

does white means "from England" ? or do europeans considered white? you know there are people from China who has "whiter" skin than most Americans... do you consider them white?

You don't need to answer. Please, just get yourself some help.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: Socio
Fact: Socialism would destroy predominantly White power base in the US and force everyone to be equal.

whats wrong with making every one equal?

Treating everyone equal is one thing, making everyone equal is another;

America is ?the land of opportunity? where everyone is born equal, all are afforded the same opportunities, and it is up to individual to make the best of them. The ability to better ones self in this country is so that poor in this country are poor because they want to be poor. They see America, not as the land of opportunity, but as the land of entitlement, free rides and excuses.

So why in the hell should anyone who has worked hard, accomplish their dreams and enjoy their pursuits of happiness have it ripped away so the entitlement whores, the life skaters, and the I blame everyone else for my failures feel equal?

Answer is: They should not; no one should ever be ?made ?to be equal.

 

[zephyrprime]

Don't feed the troll people. Don't feed the troll.