On crime and punishment - Misdemeanor cat abuse

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Should have asked her how she would like to be thrown down the steps.

I say take the kitten away for a week and when you do give it back, let her know that if it happens again she will not have a pet again until she can drive to the pet story and get one herself.


At the age of 5 she should know better.

Dont forget to beat her real good too.

What the hell are people going to suggest if she does something really bad? Draw and quarter?

The point is to make a point.

Damn people are over reacting.

Lack of discipline is the reason why this generation of kids are going to be worthless.

Probably, but then I didn't advocate a lack of discipline. In fact I encouraged it. For a 5 year old, the overnight deprevation of a pet is a substantial punishment. Making it last a week is something I consider excessive at that age. Veiled threats about being thrown down the stairs (which is how a five year old mind would see it) is just cruel.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Should have asked her how she would like to be thrown down the steps.

I say take the kitten away for a week and when you do give it back, let her know that if it happens again she will not have a pet again until she can drive to the pet story and get one herself.


At the age of 5 she should know better.

I agree with Nitemare... 100%.

IMO.... if not being aware that swinging a cat, or throwing it down the stairs is wrong, then the child is too young to have a pet.... if she knows it is wrong and does it anyway... well, that is a whole different can of worms that will require much more than two days without a kitten.

I must be getting soft for anyone to agree with me...must try harder...
🙂

In all seriousness, we did ask her how she would feel if one of us threw her down the stairs. Not in any threatening way - just "how would you feel".

She said "but you would never do that to me mommy".

Mommy says "and why not?"

She says: "Because you love me!"

Mommy says: "And don't you love Bungie?"

so on...

 

[Blueoak]

I treated our cats like royalty when i was that age. I guess every kid is different.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Should have asked her how she would like to be thrown down the steps.

I say take the kitten away for a week and when you do give it back, let her know that if it happens again she will not have a pet again until she can drive to the pet story and get one herself.


At the age of 5 she should know better.

Dont forget to beat her real good too.

What the hell are people going to suggest if she does something really bad? Draw and quarter?

The point is to make a point.

Damn people are over reacting.

Lack of discipline is the reason why this generation of kids are going to be worthless.

Probably, but then I didn't advocate a lack of discipline. In fact I encouraged it. For a 5 year old, the overnight deprevation of a pet is a substantial punishment. Making it last a week is something I consider excessive at that age. Veiled threats about being thrown down the stairs (which is how a five year old mind would see it) is just cruel.

And throwing a living thing down the stairs is not cruel?

Bungie is not a goldfish and Alchemize is not David Carradine

 

[sharkeeper]

You daughter has discovered the catapult. 🙂 Sorry, could not resist.

Anyways, the cat or kitten is probably traumatised at this point and will be wary of your daughter. I have the same issue with a 3 1/2 year old nephew that thinks he's Alf! [here kitty kitty kitty]

Cheers!

 

[rubix]

i don't know about punishments and all that, but i think any animal in a household should be a family pet and therefore everyone chips in to feed and PLAY with it. it's a group thing, but your daughter will still learn responsibilities though. it's not right for some people to ignore it and so if one or more people in the house don't like that type of animal then i think a different animal would be better.

fish are the exception to this rule though, because fish just stare at your and plan your deaths as you sleep.

 

[TitanDiddly]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: alchemize
For Christmas we let our daughter, who will be five in April, keep a little stray kitten that wandered into our garage. We've been very clear that this is her cat, and she bears the responsibility of cleaning the litter box, feeding it, etc. (with our help of course).

She's been OK - but she's had a problem with "treating it like a toy". i.e. swinging it around, being too rough with it.

Well, tonight she went overboard and threw it down the stairs. After discussion with my wife, we decided we would "take the cat away" for a while. We explained to her that the cat was going away for a while, and we would think about if she could have the responsibility again. She was devastated. I mean sobbing like I've never seen her cry before. It was heart wrenching 🙁 🙁

So my question is - are we being too strict? How long should we keep the cat away?

PS I usually post in P&N. I'm a bastard rich elitist neocon.

In addition to placing an inappropriate responsibility on a kid that age, I think your punishment techniques are also age inappropriate. Does this kid even understand what she did is wrong? Does she know her own strength? Does she know the cat might be hurt? And at that age, is she even able to make the connection between doing something "wrong" and having her cat suddenly disappear. It all seems pretty crazy to me. But then, you're a conservative, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

WTF 😕

We're talking 5 years old here, not toddler. If people followed that growth pattern, they'd start walking at age 20.

 

[sundev]

Your punishment is appropriate. If your kid continues with the abusive behavior, then I think a spanking (on the bottom) is not out of the question.

To all those that think 5 year olds can't understand - you are wrong. Don't you remember being in kindergarten? If you do, then you remember that you weren't completely oblivious to society and the consequences of your actions. If you don't, then you are either really old, really insane, or really into World of Warcraft and have no connection with reality.

 

[Darilus]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

dunno why... but for some reason.. your reply reminded me of a joke I read online...


..Joke snipped..

sorry if i took this thread off topic... but your questioning and comments about politics made me think of this.

Nice. 🙂

Two days seems like a good amount to me; it's just enough for her to miss having it around, and realize how important it is to her, but not so long that she'll move on and forget. Just right for reinforcing your wife's talk about the need to respect her pets.

 

[Darilus]

Originally posted by: sundevb
Your punishment is appropriate. If your kid continues with the abusive behavior, then I think a spanking (on the bottom) is not out of the question.

To all those that think 5 year olds can't understand - you are wrong. Don't you remember being in kindergarten? If you do, then you remember that you weren't completely oblivious to society and the consequences of your actions. If you don't, then you are either really old, really insane, or really into World of Warcraft and have no connection with reality.

Oh dear, don't start the talk of spanking in this thread too or someone is going to throw an even bigger fit. :disgust:

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Darilus

Originally posted by: sundevb
Your punishment is appropriate. If your kid continues with the abusive behavior, then I think a spanking (on the bottom) is not out of the question.

To all those that think 5 year olds can't understand - you are wrong. Don't you remember being in kindergarten? If you do, then you remember that you weren't completely oblivious to society and the consequences of your actions. If you don't, then you are either really old, really insane, or really into World of Warcraft and have no connection with reality.

Oh dear, don't start the talk of spanking in this thread too or someone is going to throw an even bigger fit. :disgust:

We don't spank. Just a decision we've come to. I'm not terribly opposed to spanking, but we just don't do it. Yet 😀 (probably never will)

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Darilus

Originally posted by: sundevb
Your punishment is appropriate. If your kid continues with the abusive behavior, then I think a spanking (on the bottom) is not out of the question.

To all those that think 5 year olds can't understand - you are wrong. Don't you remember being in kindergarten? If you do, then you remember that you weren't completely oblivious to society and the consequences of your actions. If you don't, then you are either really old, really insane, or really into World of Warcraft and have no connection with reality.

Oh dear, don't start the talk of spanking in this thread too or someone is going to throw an even bigger fit. :disgust:

We don't spank. Just a decision we've come to. I'm not terribly opposed to spanking, but we just don't do it. Yet 😀 (probably never will)

I knew you were at least partially human!

 

[Darilus]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Darilus

Oh dear, don't start the talk of spanking in this thread too or someone is going to throw an even bigger fit. :disgust:

We don't spank. Just a decision we've come to. I'm not terribly opposed to spanking, but we just don't do it. Yet 😀 (probably never will)

Oh I didn't mean you. 🙂

 

[sundev]

We don't spank. Just a decision we've come to. I'm not terribly opposed to spanking, but we just don't do it. Yet 😀 (probably never will)

Ok.. but let me tell you, kids can do some pretty stupid things. A story from when I was five: I thought it would be fun for me and my younger (four year old) brother to take some keys and key up the bathroom wall. Then a little later, to take some scissors and cut up my mom's mattress. Seemed like a good idea at the time... needless to say, we were both spanked and never did that again.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: sundevb

We don't spank. Just a decision we've come to. I'm not terribly opposed to spanking, but we just don't do it. Yet 😀 (probably never will)

Ok.. but let me tell you, kids can do some pretty stupid things. A story from when I was five: I thought it would be fun for me and my younger (four year old) brother to take some keys and key up the bathroom wall. Then a little later, to take some scissors and cut up my mom's mattress. Seemed like a good idea at the time... needless to say, we were both spanked and never did that again.

I shaved my eyebrows off when I was 10 😀

 

[Darilus]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I shaved my eyebrows off when I was 10 😀

Umm.. pics? 🙂

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: sundevb
Your punishment is appropriate. If your kid continues with the abusive behavior, then I think a spanking (on the bottom) is not out of the question.

To all those that think 5 year olds can't understand - you are wrong. Don't you remember being in kindergarten? If you do, then you remember that you weren't completely oblivious to society and the consequences of your actions. If you don't, then you are either really old, really insane, or really into World of Warcraft and have no connection with reality.

Say that again and I'll cast frost shock on you till you beg for mercy! :|

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: sundevb
Your punishment is appropriate. If your kid continues with the abusive behavior, then I think a spanking (on the bottom) is not out of the question.

To all those that think 5 year olds can't understand - you are wrong. Don't you remember being in kindergarten? If you do, then you remember that you weren't completely oblivious to society and the consequences of your actions. If you don't, then you are either really old, really insane, or really into World of Warcraft and have no connection with reality.

Say that again and I'll cast frost shock on you till you beg for mercy! :|

Looks liek someone is donning their wizard's robe and hat

:heart:

 

[Specop 007]

I'm a supporter of spanking. Not beating or abusing mind you.
Funny thing is, my wife doesnt spank. She wont spank, I will.
Now the interesting thing is, she refuses to take the kids to the store. Why? Because they wont behave for her.
Ironically, I have no problems taking all 3 out with me.

 

[gopunk]

i don't think you're being too hard at all... keep the cat away until she's ready to not abuse it