OMGZ! THE X800, X800XT pwnz Nvidia

[James3shin]

yeah they are pretty close, but Im gonna give the edge to ati slightly, they get bonus points for doing very well in far cry and for having one molex.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: James3shin
yeah they are pretty close, but Im gonna give the edge to ati slightly, they get bonus points for doing very well in far cry and for having one molex.

DriverHeaver DISagrees

Yes both the X800 Pro and 6800 Ultra are fast, yes they give good image quality by default however with cards this fast you really need to enable at least 4xAA and 8xAF to get the full benefits of your purchase. At these settings there really is no competition. The X800 Pro is a clear winner.

:Q

(i finally just got to this one) . . . phew!

 

[saqdeez]

looks like the nvidia noobs are retreating in full force!

 

[cessna152]

Originally posted by: Aquaman
THey are pretty even......... but I would choose ati for the single slot single molex solution

Cheers,
Aquaman

Agreed. From a pure hardware standpoint. ATI has squeezed out more than Nvidia. See what good competition does for a market?

 

[Czar]

Its easy to say that ATI is the clear winner in this case, amazing job from both sides since both cards seem to be just excelent, no major faults like with the old nvidia cards. I think buyers of both cards will be extremely happy


im kinda ashamed of my 9700 pro

 

[imported_justlam]

kool! Go ATI Go! (i'm Canadian btw)

 

[JackBurton]

These two cards (X800XT/6800U) are just freakin' amazing! Doubling the power of the 9800XT/5950U is no small feet. I think it comes down to preference on this one. The performance is so close, you can't fault someone for choosing one over the other. GREAT cards! That being said, its time for me to upgraing my old ass 8500. I want to play the cool new games with 4xAA and 8XAF.

 

[Dulanic]

Originally posted by: shady06
from the hothardware review:

X800Pro OC: "45MHz upside in the core and an 150MHz gain (75MHz X2) in the memory speeds for the Radeon X800 Pro".

Does anyone care about the Pro honestly? The point is the GT isn't crippled like the Pro is. Just from OCing the GT can hit Plat Extreme levels... the same can't be said for the X800 Pro. If you OCed the Pro you could never get to the X800 Plat levels due to the fact it's crippled. That is why I think the GT will be a huge hit, for a lower price you can basically get the same thing as a Ultra Extreme or XT Plat for alot cheaper.

For the Ultra vs the XT Plat I think it is a very close game, with ATi maybe slightly edging out the lead, but it is very close, and the Ultra does have more features. As for the GT vs the Pro I think the GT is the clear winner, especially since so far it looks to OC to Ultra Extreme levels....

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Dulanic

Originally posted by: shady06
from the hothardware review:

X800Pro OC: "45MHz upside in the core and an 150MHz gain (75MHz X2) in the memory speeds for the Radeon X800 Pro".

Does anyone care about the Pro honestly? The point is the GT isn't crippled like the Pro is. Just from OCing the GT can hit Plat Extreme levels... the same can't be said for the X800 Pro. If you OCed the Pro you could never get to the X800 Plat levels due to the fact it's crippled. That is why I think the GT will be a huge hit, for a lower price you can basically get the same thing as a Ultra Extreme or XT Plat for alot cheaper.

For the Ultra vs the XT Plat I think it is a very close game, with ATi maybe slightly edging out the lead, but it is very close, and the Ultra does have more features. As for the GT vs the Pro I think the GT is the clear winner, especially since so far it looks to OC to Ultra Extreme levels....

You don't think . . . perhaps, maybe . . . that the review cards were hand-picked by nVidia?



:roll:

EVIDENLTY, ultra yields are NOT that good and only a few thousand cores qualify for Ultra or UE . . . i would NOT count on that kind of an o/c on the first shipping . . .
(if i get one, its gonna be the U or UE . . . if i go ATI, it HAS to be XT or xt-PE)
or i'm gonna wait

 

[SickBeast]

If you OCed the Pro you could never get to the X800 Plat levels due to the fact it's crippled. That is why I think the GT will be a huge hit, for a lower price you can basically get the same thing as a Ultra Extreme or XT Plat for alot cheaper.

Mmmmm....16 pipes all at once.

 

[flexy]

WOW, those are some nice driver improvements! Go nVidia driver team! This is the reason why I sold my 9800Pro, pocketed $200 after getting a 'replacement' Albatron 4600. Great for any game I play, and now I have more money to upgrade when PCI-E comes!

yeah...wise move...to swap a 9800Pro for a 4600

 

[Shamrock]

according to THIS report by NVNews.net's MikeC, NVidia won by 2 benchmarks. No, it isnt the NV biased results, it is results from the top hardware sites he has gathered, such as Anand's, Techeextreme, driverheaven, Tom's, etc.

Nvidia - 26
ATI - 24
Tied- 8

Link here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=28275

 

[mjrpes2]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
according to THIS report by NVNews.net's MikeC, NVidia won by 2 benchmarks. No, it isnt the NV biased results, it is results from the top hardware sites he has gathered, such as Anand's, Techeextreme, driverheaven, Tom's, etc.

that's sort of misleading; it does not take into account the age or type of the benchmarks. ATI wins hands down with a next generation game like Farcry, whereas nVidia wins hands down with a game like Call of Duty, which is based on the very old quake3 engine.

Which would I choose? I'd base my buying decision on how well a card performs with a next generation game.

Even so, I'll wait... as nVidia engineers seem to be saying that with more mature drivers the performance of an nVidia card in Farcry can be improved up to 50%.

 

[TechJunkie95242]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242

Originally posted by: Bucksnort

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
I think ATI just kicked Nvidia in the crotch and Nvidia's down for the count.

I know what card I'll be using for Half-Life 2 if it ever comes out

Thanks for your intelligent post. Did this require a new thread seeing there are infitismal related thread numbers already?

I have another intelligent post for you. If you didn't like the thread why did you bother reading it, or ohhh wait... responding in the first place? These aren't the political forums, take your negativity elsewhere.

He responded because he had just as much of a right to as you had to make this thread. "Take your lame fanboyishness elsewhere".

Read the above, and think carefuly about my previous comment, then you might figure it out.
Why must I take my fanboy attitude elsewhere? this is the hardware forums and I started the thread so therefore if that bothers you, don't bother reading or responding. You gave the impression that I said something to the affect of "You don't have the right to post here if you don't like my opinion." Which I never said so, so your comment about "He responded because he had just as much of a right to as you had to make this thread." Is completely negated.

 

[Snoop]

Why must I take my fanboy attitude elsewhere? this is the hardware forums and I started the thread so therefore if that bothers you, don't bother reading or responding. You gave the impression that I said something to the affect of "You don't have the right to post here if you don't like my opinion." Which I never said so, so your comment about "He responded because he had just as much of a right to as you had to make this thread." Is completely negated.

This may come as a suprise to you newb, but trolling is against the rules of this forum. Your initial comment "OMGZ! THE X800, X800XT pwnz Nvidia" is both inflammatory and childish (a characterization, which judging by your posts is accurate).

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
according to THIS report by NVNews.net's MikeC, NVidia won by 2 benchmarks. No, it isnt the NV biased results, it is results from the top hardware sites he has gathered, such as Anand's, Techeextreme, driverheaven, Tom's, etc.

Nvidia - 26
ATI - 24
Tied- 8

Link here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=28275

you have to take into account where nvidia won and where ati won, some benchmarks just dont matter as much as others

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: mjrpes2

Originally posted by: Shamrock
according to THIS report by NVNews.net's MikeC, NVidia won by 2 benchmarks. No, it isnt the NV biased results, it is results from the top hardware sites he has gathered, such as Anand's, Techeextreme, driverheaven, Tom's, etc.

that's sort of misleading; it does not take into account the age or type of the benchmarks. ATI wins hands down with a next generation game like Farcry, whereas nVidia wins hands down with a game like Call of Duty, which is based on the very old quake3 engine.

Which would I choose? I'd base my buying decision on how well a card performs with a next generation game.

Even so, I'll wait... as nVidia engineers seem to be saying that with more mature drivers the performance of an nVidia card in Farcry can be improved up to 50%.

I love how people think the nVidia software engineers are some sort of magicians. We've seen what they REALLY do to gain FPS: they lower IQ in sneaky ways. And I also love how people assume ATI won't make any improvements either. The X800s were tested with beta drivers for crying out loud.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I love how people think the nVidia software engineers are some sort of magicians. We've seen what they REALLY do to gain FPS: they lower IQ in sneaky ways. And I also love how people assume ATI won't make any improvements either. The X800s were tested with beta drivers for crying out loud.

Quake . . Quack . . Quake . . . Quack . . . of course, ati would never cheat. . .um, optimize wrongly to gain benchmark advantages . . .

:roll:

Nope, nVidia doesn't use magic (no voodoo, certainly) . . . However, they do have a NEWer core that will LIKEly benefit MORE from driver optimizations then ATI's.

That's all (please don't read more from my comments)
:roll:

 

[Regs]

Ban! lol.

The 6800GT is looking really good right now but it won't be out until June-July. It's performance is really good, I think even better than the X800 pro and more so when drivers are optimized for it. Its a single slot solution that doesn't use as much power draw yet out performs the X800 in many meaningful benchmarks. Yet you have to remember that the X800pro is really the old 9800 non-pro of last generation. The X800 XT has taken pro status, while XT PE has taken the ultra posistion. So like others said it will come down to a price war.

But performance isn't the issue on the New NV40 core. It draws a lot of heat and requires a lot of power.

These cards from Nvidia are for Die Hard fans only. I find it hard to believe that even hardware enthusiasts would even contemplate to buy a 400 dollar video card, than buy another 100 dollar PSU just to rip apart their computer again to install one video card. The idea alone is very un attractive, you have to admit.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Regs
Ban! lol.

The 6800GT is looking really good right now but it won't be out until June-July. It's performance is really good, I think even better than the X800 pro and more so when drivers are optimized for it. Its a single slot solution that doesn't use as much power draw yet out performs the X800 in many meaningful benchmarks. Yet you have to remember that the X800pro is really the old 9800 non-pro of last generation. The X800 XT has taken pro status, while XT PE has taken the ultra posistion. So like others said it will come down to a price war.

But performance isn't the issue on the New NV40 core. It draws a lot of heat and requires a lot of power.

These cards from Nvidia are for Die Hard fans only. I find it hard to believe that even hardware enthusiasts would even contemplate to buy a 400 dollar video card, than buy another 100 dollar PSU just to rip apart their computer again to install one video card. The idea alone is very un attractive, you have to admit.

Hey, i resemble that 'die-hard' remark.

:roll:

And i put in a 480w Thermaltake because my generic 350w was unstable for my p4 o/c . . . yeah, that's it, not for some GPU. :roll:

PS. it's a FIVE hundred video card we're talkin' 'bout. No cheap stuff goin in MY rig.

 

[Regs]

500, lol. Yeah, it's in a class of it's own isn't it?

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
I think ATI just kicked Nvidia in the crotch and Nvidia's down for the count.

I know what card I'll be using for Half-Life 2 if it ever comes out

The true irony in this noobs post is that the 6800U beats the X800XT in HL2.

 

[bluewall21]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: TechJunkie95242
I think ATI just kicked Nvidia in the crotch and Nvidia's down for the count.

I know what card I'll be using for Half-Life 2 if it ever comes out

The true irony in this noobs post is that the 6800U beats the X800XT in HL2.

That's Hilarious.

 

[Gagabiji]

Originally posted by: LeChuck59
Don't forget that the 6800GT is a single molex, single slot solution. And according to the Firingsquad preview, it can be oc'ed to be faster than a stock Ultra Extreme which means it'll beat the X800 Pro and compete nicely with the X800 XT.

You can check out FS's oc benches here...
http://firingsquad.com/hardware/geforce_6800_ultra_extreme/page22.asp

Wow those are pretty nice OC scores.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
I love how people think the nVidia software engineers are some sort of magicians. We've seen what they REALLY do to gain FPS: they lower IQ in sneaky ways. And I also love how people assume ATI won't make any improvements either. The X800s were tested with beta drivers for crying out loud.

Quake . . Quack . . Quake . . . Quack . . . of course, ati would never cheat. . .um, optimize wrongly to gain benchmark advantages . . .

:roll:

Nope, nVidia doesn't use magic (no voodoo, certainly) . . . However, they do have a NEWer core that will LIKEly benefit MORE from driver optimizations then ATI's.

That's all (please don't read more from my comments)
:roll:

From AT News (Hardware Analysis) sums up MY thoughts pretty well:

This is just one of those days when you have to pass judgment on two products that are both excellent but designed from two different perspectives. At one hand you have ATi's Radeon X800 XT, small, quiet, low power, but with plenty of processing power. On the other hand there's Nvidia's GeForce 6800 Ultra, big, powerful, lots of raw processing power and plenty of new features, but also requiring more power. The Radeon X800 XT reminds me of a polished ruby, as there's already a solid base of drivers because it is based on a previous architecture, the Radeon X800 XT will therefore be able to shine from the start, but will also not be much more than that, a polished ruby.


The 6800 Ultra however is a diamond in the rough, freshly excavated and off to be cut and polished. That cut and polishing process is what's going to make or break the diamond, it can be either a true 24-carat diamond or one of lesser quality. What I'm referring to is that the success of the GeForce 6800 Ultra is largely determined by how Nvidia chooses to tap into the potential locked inside this new architecture. We're talking about drivers, industry support for pixel shader 3.0 and 32-bit rendering, all these things have to fall into place to turn a rough diamond into a true 24-carat diamond. I'm quite sure Nvidia will go the distance to make sure their new architecture delivers on its promises but it'll take a while for drivers and industry support to mature.


So at the end of the day we have the Radeon X800 XT, a card that's able to perform right out of the box, which has drivers that are mature enough to soon receive a WHQL certification soon but also has a performance level that's basically set in stone. ATi has been working on similar drivers for the past two years, so don't expect big leaps in performance, a marginal increase is about the best you can expect. And then there's the GeForce 6800 Ultra, with release candidate drivers at best, drivers that show promise, even though they're still an early build. But the potential is there to boost performance significantly, offering performance levels far beyond what we've seen up till now.

THAT is WHY I am probably picking the 6800u


EDIT: BTW, THIEF III has gone GOLD . . . ships May 25th!!!! (just in time)